I had the same issues with the edit link showing up on diff and history pages. The elements that your script was looking for appeared to be there, so I don't know why your script didn't work, but that's the way it is :-) When I made other changes to the script, those changes appeared, so it's not a browser refresh issue. I actually prefer the mechanism used in recent change to Monobook.js to determine whether to show it or not -- it looks for other appearances of the [edit] link on the page, and only adds if one is found. That should respect the user's edit link preference as well. Also, you need to do a global replace of space to underscore -- your current replace() just does the first one. However, your method of actually adding the link appears to work much better than that one. You can see what I'm experimenting with at User:Clindberg/monobook.js if you like (I have broken things up into separate variables for experimentation purposes; not really necessary though). Carl Lindberg 16:37, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply

To be clear, I'm not the original author of "Edit Top," nor am I knowledgeable enough to perform a major rewrite. I simply made various tweaks to the existing code.

I agree that the other script's detection mechanism is much better, and I was ready to abandon "Edit Top" until the Safari problems surfaced. Indeed, combining the better detection mechanism (which appears to be Safari-compatible) with the better insertion method (which also appears to be Safari-compatible) is theoretically ideal. I've tested your code, and it seems to work perfectly. — David Levy 20:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for trying it out (and thanks for providing the script in the first place, even if you weren't the original author). I've made a couple of other tweaks, mainly to the hover label of the link,and also so that the /* Intro */ label gets inserted into the edit box when the link is clicked similar to what happens with the other sections (my changes broke that I think). I'll try it out for a bit more, then post this version over on the Village Pump discussion in case anyone wants to reinstate it. Obviously, it would be better to get this feature into the core software, but if and until that happens, this is a pretty good alternative. Feel free to insert any changes into your Edit Top script... I doubt I'll make a script page over there. Carl Lindberg 23:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Very nice work! The "Intro" link is clever in the respect that it works correctly by technically not working. (No such section heading is found, so the page is loaded without jumping down—thereby displaying the correct section.) Only if there happens to be a heading named "Intro" somewhere on the page (fairly unlikely) would this fail.

I've changed the 47px top margin to 38px. This causes the edit link to be vertically aligned with the text "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" (in my browsers, anyway). The 47px margin was an attempt to leave the same distance between the edit link and the title heading line as there is between a regular edit link and the heading line from its section, but I now realize that the latter sometimes varies.

I'm extremely optimistic regarding the possibility of implementing this code site-wide. — David Levy 23:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I definitely prefer the new margin; looks cleaner to me. The "Intro" bit was pretty clever... that existed before I got there though :-) It was just at the bottom of the script, so it was never executed when it needed to be.

However, my current version does not seem to work on IE6. Not sure why... investigating. Carl Lindberg 00:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Okay, figured it out. IE6's innerHTML text had class=editsection instead of class="editsection" (i.e. without the double quotes) so I had to search either way. Once I made that fix, it seems to work fine on IE now. I tested on Safari (older 1.x version), Firefox/Mac, Opera/Mac, and IE6/Win, and it seems to work on all of them. The edit link is horizontally aligned with the "From Wikipedia" text on all browsers that I tested with, so that part worked well. Carl Lindberg 03:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Carl, you seem to be helpful testing other people's javascript. When you are finished with David's project, would you be willing to help a bit on mine? Gimmetrow 03:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I could take a peek, at least. What problems are you having? Carl Lindberg 03:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm trying to enhance the dynamic navigation bars. I have general questions about the best approach (ie, whether it's good to use these JS calls, and whether it should create a new class or replace the old one), and specific ones about performance. Ultimately, I need enough support to convince an admin to roll it in. See also here. Gimmetrow 04:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hm. You've obviously been thinking about this for a couple months, so I may be missing some context. From what you're saying, you are trying to genericize the NavBox javascript so you can use it in other circumstances, such as packing a lot of information in an infobox by having expand/collapse sections, so not too much screen real estate is taken up initially?

I'm not too familiar with any utility functions the MediaWiki monobook.js has already, so I have no idea if something would already exist. I see that you probably need to work with spans instead of divs, and you probably want inline instead of block styles (sadly, inline-block is not very well supported among browsers). However, those are significant enough changes that I would probably not want to alter the NavBox code; that seems designed for that one specific purpose. It is also possible that NavBox requires a block display; IE in particular has some behaviors that depend on that. Unless it would make it less likely for an admin to accept, I'd probably go with separate functions / CSS classes.

The code doesn't look particularly efficient -- it is calling document.getElementsByTagName() every time through its loop -- but the current NavBox stuff seems to work fast enough. Which performance questions did you have? I'm not a big expert on that, but maybe I can answer.

Is there any way you could avoid abusing the title attribute? I'm pretty sure the HTML spec allows unknown attributes to exist, which are ignored, but should be available in the DOM tree. For example, if you add "expandtitle" and "collapsetitle" attributes on your outer div, can you access those values with hasAttribute() and getAttribute() in javascript? That would let you put "parameters" of a sort in custom attributes on the outer div tag, which you could use in the code. Maybe even a "block" versus "inline" parameter :-) Carl Lindberg 06:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

The motivation for this was the Popes template. It lists some 260 names, but most readers probably only care to navigate to the few before or after. I basically wanted a structure that would allow a list of names with most of them "collapsed" and only a few (likely to be relevant) ones available immediately.

I copied the NavBox code from the standard monobook.js. Some of the code seems to be designed so as not to store values. My first version used more variables and it was rather slow. The NavBox is very specific - dynamic content is blocked, and it's hidden by default (in browsers that support the code). People complain about javascript bloat, so if it's possible to build functionality into the current routine and maintain compatibility, that would be great. Unfortunately, one particular behaviour is apparently used by some templates and I broke that behaviour trying to improve efficiency, so it would involve less testing to just have a new class. But repeating the NavBox code seems like bloat.

As for unknown attributes, on one platform (probably MacOS), the code simply would not work with non-standard attributes. (It's been a while since I worked on that issue.) Only the ones listed as officially part of each tag were recognized. For the div tag, I decided that "title" would be the easiest one for passing variable values. The other option would be to create my own custom tag(s) just to pass variable values, but that seemed to require more parsing, and more efficiency issues. Gimmetrow 07:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

If the unknown attributes strategy doesn't work, I'm not sure there's a way to modify the existing NavBox stuff without changing its current behavior... and I would definitely not want to change that. Maybe there is a way to insert empty spans with attributes that have parameter values. If so they could be put in by parameters to the hidden templates, and picked up by the javascript to alter behavior. Seems like a lot of effort though. May be a bit slower performance, but only for the setup javascript, not the toggle (where were the previous performance issues btw? setup or when the user clicked?) I'd really like to know which of the browsers did not include unknown attributes in the DOM tree though :-)

One option for the Pope template would simply to make the whole thing a collapsible navbox, similar to how the Presidents of the USA is done now. Since there are already "Preceded by" and "Followed by" boxes for the previous/next pope, I'm not sure you need to try to duplicate that in the popes template. Simply making the entire thing collapsible may be the best approach it seems to me; the user would not see the entire list unless they were looking for a pope other than the immediately preceding or following one. Carl Lindberg 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Is there a problem with using the title attribute? It seems to work for me, and it allows compatibility with the existing NavBox. The efficiency issue involved determining the hide/show text. In order to make that faster, I coded it as part of the botton html during page setup, so it wouldn't require further javascript calls in the toggle to collect the title text. This meant that the button calls become complex, and it was no longer simple to support the old behaviour that made all boxes hidden if there were more than N of them. It could still be done, I just haven't worked out the logic to do it. There are some templates which apparently assume N=1, so I can emulate that behaviour. Then I supported a default show option with an empty div/span.

The pope template was just the original idea. A box with 260 names is a little hard to navigate than a box with 43 names, and I thought having the 10-20 previous and 10-20 subsequent would make it more manageable. Even if this functionality is not useful there, it seems useful in other contexts. Gimmetrow 01:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

The title attribute is supposed to have a description of the element it is attached to. Accessibility software often uses it to aid blind viewers; having arbitrary technical content in there could prove to be confusing. Also, browsers can use that as popup text when you hover the mouse over the area (for example, Safari on your "sand" page over some of the text items). Additionally, it's not very extensible to other potential parameters... it would be better to figure out another way if at all possible... it's really a shame that arbitrary unknown attributes didn't work; that would have been best.

An alternative to passing parameters to the toggle function would be to declare global array variables with the title for each navbox at its index, allowing the toggle function to just reference the variables by index. I.e. have a NavBarShowTitles[] and NavBarHideTitles[] global arrays, with the strings at each index, so the toggle function can pull them out by index. This should let you support hiding the rest of the boxes again. Carl Lindberg 04:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Your code

On your code, two things:

• if the page has no sections, it still has a section0. Do you want to have an [edit] link ? It's the same as edit page, so it's not really necessary, but if you get used to the [edit] link it's nice to have.
• the diff and history pages do show an [edit] link for sections when the page corresponds to the current page (ie, last diff or last history link); if those are shown, I think a section0 [edit] should be shown as well. (It may become possible at some point in the future to edit sections of older pages from history.) Gimmetrow 04:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

If a page has no sections, I was figuring the edit page tab would be enough. It's not all that far away, and determining whether to include it or not gets much more difficult if it is displayed when no other edit links are present. Maybe that could be revisited if the feature ever gets added to the base software directly.

I forgot about the diff and history pages when looking at the current edit; yes the section 0 link will show up there too. It's arguable that it shows up in the wrong place when looking at the current diff, but that is a lot of special-case code and I'm not sure it's worth it. If historical versions start having edit links, this script would probably need to be revisited to deal with that (if it's even possible). Carl Lindberg 06:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

The first is not a big deal, but currently I do not see section0 [edit] links in the diff and history pages, when links are displayed for other sections. Gimmetrow 07:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Odd, it works for me, both with Safari and Firefox on the Mac. Which browser/platform are you using? I assume you mean when looking at a history page, clicking on the most recent "diff" or revision timestamp essentially shows you the current page, and all the edit links exist there. In my case, the section 0 link also shows up, albeit right under the h1 line (on the diff page, that is above the diff). Carl Lindberg 03:33, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

OK, that issue seems to be working now; there is an section0 edit link on the last diff or revision. At some point that was not the case with Safari. There is still a problem encoding &, however, see Robert_Randolph_&_the_Family_Band. Gimmetrow 01:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah, thanks, good catch. I put a fix in. Hopefully that is only a problem with '&' characters... I tried a few articles with other odd characters and they seemed to work, but maybe there is one I missed. I'm leery of using the javascript escape() function due to purported Unicode issues on some browsers. Carl Lindberg 04:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Nice pic of Lyttleton port. LW77 16:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC) reply

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Forgot about that one. It ended up scaling down horribly, so I scaled it manually, uploaded that version, and used it instead. This one isn't used, and can go. Carl Lindberg 14:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your recent correction of the date of Travis's use of the Haskell Ball to win the U.S. Amateur. Also,the images you have added to the article are terrific. I would like to change the notation for two of the pictures, one, to identify the ball in the 1901 picture as the Haskell Ball, and two, to change the date of the portrait of Travis sitting. We have that picture in our collection with the date of 1901 rather than 1909. Thank you again for your help. TravisSociety, 9 February 2007

Of course, go ahead. The article mentioned Haskell (several times) so I didn't see the need for the image caption to repeat it, but it's not a big deal. The portrait date was just a guess, since it was published in a 1909 issue in Travis' magazine. If you have a date of 1901, then I'll fix the commons image page as well. Good to know. Carl Lindberg 20:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC) reply

you're right. no need to make another reference to the Haskell. Thanks again. Travis Society 19:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC) reply

I think the article British Ladies Amateur Golf Championship needs to be changed to the correct title. Do you agree? On another note, I didn't re delete the prestigious sentence, but can you find a source for that statement for this and the US championship being the most prestigious/most important/highest level or any of that sort? C5mjohn 14:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC) reply

It almost goes without saying -- In 1930, when Bobby Jones won the "grand slam" of golf of the time, the four "majors" then were the U.S. Amateur, British Amateur, U.S. Open, and British Open. Since women's professional golf barely existed in the U.S. and probably even less in the U.K. (the U.S. Women's Open didn't start until 1946 and the Women's British Open started in 1976), the two (by far) most important titles were the U.S. Women's Amateur and Ladies British Amateur, both started in the late 1800s. Here is an old Time article when Babe Zaharias became the first American to win it; the other "major British golf titles" referred to were the men's British Open and Amateur, both held by Americans at that point. Here is an older article, showing that the tournament got coverage in the U.S, pretty much the only women's British event to do so (the same was true of earlier golf magazines like The American Golfer). The U.S. Women's amateur gets an entry into to the U.S. Women's Open; and the past three British Ladies Amateur champions are exempted from much of the qualifying (similar situation to the men's side). It's the only foreign amateur tournament to have such exemptions.

As for the name, I'm inclined to agree. It's hard to find a "most common" usage, as you will find lots of references using "women's" instead of "ladies", with and without the "Open" word, and also various orderings of the words themselves. Even the lgu.org site isn't always consistent -- the history sidebar on this page uses "Ladies' British Amateur Championship". The "Open" is somewhat confusing (it means open to British and non-British, as opposed to the more common meaning of open to professionals and amateurs) so is often dropped. The original title didn't use "Amateur" since the distinction was unnecessary then. Still, using the current official name probably makes sense. Carl Lindberg 15:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC) reply

That is a lot of good research that you should put in the article. But I still don't believe that "prestigious" should be in either article. It is a subjective term that doesn't really mean much. Maybe something like important, rewarding, or highest level.Perhaps a comment like "along with the US championship, they are the only Women's amateur competitions to award qualifiying exemptions to professional association tournaments." C5mjohn 20:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC) reply

Prestigious does have a meaning :-) I agree it's very subjective and is often inappropriate in articles (and may also be an indicator of copied advertizing text), but at times there is wide agreement on the matter, so I would be careful about removing it from every article. The Nobel prize, for example, is highly regarded just about everywhere (the definition of prestigious) and so labelling it that way would be accurate. The four golf majors got that way basically because there was general agreement they were the four most prestigious tournaments. In this case, these two tournaments are essentially the two "majors" of women's amateur golf, and that part does need to be in the articles. It doesn't need to use the word prestigious; your current wording is fine. Removing the entire sentence was a bit much though :-) Carl Lindberg 15:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC) reply

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No problem. The cropped version was already on commons though (I guess another wiki needed to do the same thing); I just noticed it when I uploaded the Medal of Freedom picture (was happy to find that). Carl Lindberg 17:16, 3 June 2007 (UTC) reply

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Hi again, The history of changes on the LPGA article is the same as on the Ladies European Tour article. Started about a year ago. The changes range from just adding the presented by name to blatant vandalism. Lately he's mixed things up and is changing things in different ways which show that he really isn't changing the names because he believes they should be changed, but just to make trouble. I'm convinced it's the same person who uses an ISP that assigns a different IP address each time he logs in. It's unfortunate Wikipedia won't protect the pages right now to prevent editing by people who just have an IP number, but they said they will look a it again if it keeps up. --- Crunch ( talk) 19:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi please revert your changes to the American golfers as MOS FLAG says a flag should not be in the infobox for sportsmen. To quote "As with other biographical articles, flags are discouraged in sportspeople's individual infoboxes." Please read policy correctly in future before reverting good changes. SitNGo ( talk) 12:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Actually I've gone ahead and reverted myself. Next time make sure you understand policy before reverting someone's good changes. Thanks. SitNGo ( talk) 12:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

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Can it be any clearer? SitNGo ( talk) 14:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

That is obviously for use outside of the infobox such as a table! The line I quoted you last time wasn't put there for fun, it is there for a reason. No flag icons in the infobox. SitNGo ( talk) 14:51, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Discouraged means discouraged. Wikipedia does not want them there. Look at other world sports icons from other sports: Cristiano Ronaldo, Roger Federer, Brian O'Driscoll etc. No flags. There is no case to put them in the infobox as it says flags are discouraged in sportspeople's individual infoboxes. SitNGo ( talk) 15:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Discouraged means discouraged (in general), not prohibited -- if there is good reason for them, they are still quite allowed. I am a Wikipedia editor just as much as you; I don't think you speak for everyone. See my comments on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Proposed_text. For golfers, it is very typical to use flags to represent the representative country (see the PGA Tour player list). It has been long-standing practice to use them in that field (though not others). Carl Lindberg ( talk) 02:54, 26 September 2008 (UTC) reply

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I think you meant "judicial circuit" rather than "judicial district" here. TJRC ( talk) 02:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC) reply

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awesome job Decora ( talk) 20:15, 16 May 2011 (UTC) reply

Not my work; thank a US Government employee. I just converted from PDF. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 21:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC) reply

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The first ever WikiProject National Archives newsletter has been published. Please read on to find out what we're up to and how to help out! There are many opportunities for getting more involved. Dominic· t 21:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC) reply

The WikiProject National Archives Newsletter July 2011 News Featured article contest This week, our first multilingual featured article contest was announced. We are aiming to improve the articles on the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, or Bill of Rights to featured or good status in English and other languages. Prizes for winners will be a gift package from the National Archives including a book of your choice or a tote bag, and other swag, plus, of course, a special barnstar. August 6 backstage pass Plans are in the works for a meetup and backstage pass event at the National Archives II facility in College Park, MD. There will be a regular social meetup, a discussion with Dominic about WP:NARA, a tour of the building by NARA staff, and then time for a scanathon and editathon in the research rooms and library until the building closes at 5 pm. Keep your schedules open! From our recent uploads: ...see more. Special requests: This section includes special requests from the NARA staff: Archival Recovery Team The National Archives' Archival Recovery Team (ART) is a team of law enforcement agents and archivists who investigate NARA's lost and stolen documents. They have received media attention ( [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]) and would like to request an article be written for the team, if Wikipedians deem it notable. It is hoped that making more information about the group available on Wikipedia will increase public awareness of the documents they are seeking to recover. Ongoing Today's Document challenge The Today's Document challenge is an opportunity for Wikipedians to get their work related to National Archives holdings spotlighted on Archives.gov and the National Archives' tumblr. Each day the National Archives selects a document related to the day's date to showcase. The goal is to get articles related to the selected documents on the main page in ""Did You Know...?" the same day that the National Archives features the document. Alternatively, other appropriate articles related to National Archives holdings not already selected will be used for new documents of the day by NARA staff and posted to their tumblr. Wikisource WP:NARA has a sister WikiProject on Wikisource, WS:NARA. On Wikisource, editors transcribe, proofread, and arrange documents. This helps to make little-known documents more discoverable, or well-known documents more searchable, and improves accessibility. See the files being worked on. If you are new to Wikisource and would like to participate, there are experienced Wikisourcerors willing to be mentors. New contributions A list of some recent contributions to the project: Wikipedia District of Columbia Compensated Emancipation Act ( Fetchcomms) Court of the Patriarchs ( CutOffTies) Opposition to the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom ( Fetchcomms) Wikisource1 Memorial of Queen Liliuokalani in relation to the Crown lands of Hawaii Petition from women of Brookline Resolutions of the Joint Committee on the Washington Monument H. R. 4982 A Petition For Universal Suffrage Susan B. Anthony petition for remission of fine Alexander Hamilton's commission to take rank as Colonel 1Credit goes to Prosody, Theornamentalist, Inductiveload, Digipoke, George Orwell III, Kathleen.wright5, BirgitteSB, and Zhaladshar Tools Archives.gov grabber ( Slakr) Future plans Major image contribution The National Archives has hundreds of thousands of digitized documents in its holdings. We are working on a bulk upload to Commons of one particular cache of about 123,000 TIFF master files in the next few days! Once uploaded, these will require a massive community effort to help categorize the files on Commons and add them to articles on Wikipedia or transcribe them on Wikisource. Inclusion in the online catalog We are currently working on a system for including links to pages on Wikimedia projects in the National Archives online catalog. The Wikimedia projects are hosting an increasing number of transcriptions of National Archives documents and high-quality image and video files that are not available through NARA's own site. Links to these Wikimedia pages in the documents' actual catalog records will benefit the end user by providing them access to further resources about the documents, and they will also demonstrate the National Archives commitment to supporting Wikimedians' efforts. To stop receiving this newsletter, please remove your name from the list.

DC Meetup 21 - Who should come? You should. Really.
	DC MEETUP 21 is July 29! This meet up will involve Wikipedians from the area as well as Wiki-loving GLAM professionals. See you Friday! SarahStierch ( talk) 16:32, 25 July 2011 (UTC) reply

National Archives Backstage Pass - Who should come? You should. Really.
	On Saturday, August 6, the National Archives is hosting a Wikipedia meetup, backstage pass tour, and edit-a-thon in College Park, Maryland. Meet staff and fellow Wikipedians, go behind the scenes at the National Archives, help digitize documents, and edit together! Dominic· t 21:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC) reply

This is a reminder that the National Archives Backstage Pass is tomorrow at 11 am. National Archives-themed chocolates and temporary tattoos await! Also, historical documents. :-) Please see the meetup page for updated information on transportation, security, and other other event details. Dominic· t 22:24, 5 August 2011 (UTC) reply

DC Meetup 23 & Annual Membership Meeting

Wikimedia District of Columbia, the newest officially recognized chapter, is holding its Annual Membership Meeting at 1pm on Saturday, October 1, 2011 at the Tenley-Friendship Neighborhood Library. Agenda items include: election of the Board of Directors for the next two years approval of a budget for the 2011-2012 fiscal year report on the activities and accomplishments of the past year social gathering afterwards at a nearby restaurant Candidate nominations are open until 11:59pm EDT on Saturday, September 24. We encourage you to consider being a candidate. (see see candidate instructions) The meeting is open to both the general public and members from within the DC-MD-VA-WV-DE region and beyond. We encourage everyone to attend! You may join the chapter at the meeting or online.

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National Archives Backstage Pass - Who should come? You should. Really.
	You are invited to the National Archives in College Park for a special backstage pass and scanathon meetup with Archivist of the United States David Ferriero, on Saturday, October 8. Go behind the scenes and into the stacks at the National Archives, help digitize documents, and edit together! Free catered lunch provided! Dominic· t 16:03, 29 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia Loves Libraries DC & edit-a-thon
Wikipedia Loves Libraries comes to DC on Saturday, November 5th, from 1-5pm, at the Martin Luther King Jr Memorial Library. We will be holding an edit-a-thon, working together to improve Wikipedia content related to DC history, arts, civil rights, or whatever suits your interests. There may also be opportunities to help with scanning historic photos plus some swag! You're invited and we hope to see you there!
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Here's the 1969 article [9]. Learn to use google news search in the future.- William 02:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC) reply

I edited the article again and put in citations. Nicklaus putted out last and it was birdie not par. That according to both Associated Press and Sports Illustrated written shortly after the matches were played. Funny, but neither article makes mention of a concession putt.

The finale to the Nicklaus-Jacklin match, is one of those bits of golf lore that gets all twisted out of shape after a while. Just like Lee Trevino's supposed 1-iron quote, which more than likely was this- "Lightning will never strike me. God is on my side." [10] That was said in 1975 one week before Trevino got hit by lightning.

If you have any comments to my edits or what I wrote here, reply back here.- William 12:45, 4 November 2011 (UTC) reply

Fine Art Edit-a-Thon & Meetup - Who should come? You should. Really.

FINE ART EDIT-A-THON & DC MEETUP 26 is December 17! The Edit-a-Thon will cover fine art subjects from the Federal Art Project and the meet up will involve Wikipedians from the area as well as Wiki-loving GLAM professionals. You don't have to attend both to attend one (but we hope you do!) Click the link above and sign up & spread the word! See you there! SarahStierch ( talk) 16:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi, you attended the scanathon at the National Archives in October. I recently noticed that most participants have yet to upload scanned documents to Commons, so I just wanted to check and see if you have any files to upload. Please use the October 2011 NARA Backstage Pass category when uploading (and tag any files you already uploaded without it) so we can track them. Any documents you upload will also cataloged by NARA, as well as being available for Wikimedians to use, so this is important! Also, if you have any photos from the tour or other aspects of the event, please be sure to upload those as well. Thanks! Dominic· t 20:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC) reply

You are invited to the National Archives ExtravaSCANza, taking place every day next week from January 4–7, Wednesday to Saturday, in College Park, Maryland (Washington, DC metro area). Come help me cap off my stint as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Archives with one last success! This will be a casual working event in which Wikipedians are getting together to scan interesting documents at the National Archives related to a different theme each day—currently: spaceflight, women's suffrage, Chile, and battleships—for use on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. The event is being held on multiple days, and in the evenings and weekend, so that as many locals and out-of-towners from nearby regions1 as possible can come. Please join us! Dominic· t 01:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC) reply 1 Wikipedians from DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, and Pittsburgh have been invited.

DC Meetup #28: March 10 at Capitol City Brewery
DC Wikipedia meetup #28 is on Saturday, March 10, 2012, from 7pm on at Capitol City Brewery in downtown DC. (11th & H St NW). Join us for an evening of socializing, chatting about Wikipedia, discussing Wikimedia DC activities and the latest preparations for Wikimania 2012. ( RSVP + details)

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Who should come? You should. Really.
	She Blinded Me with Science: Smithsonian Women in Science Edit-a-Thon will be held on Friday, March 30, 2012 at the Smithsonian Archives in Washington, D.C. This edit-a-thon will focus on improving and writing Wikipedia content about women from the Smithsonian who contributed to the sciences. It will be followed by a happy hour meetup! We look forward to seeing you there!

Sarah ( talk) 22:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC) reply

Please join us for a Wikimedia DC Meetup & Dinner on Saturday, May 5. This will be a great opportunity to meet other Wikimedians from the DC area, discuss upcoming Wikimedia DC activities and events, and have fun over dinner and drinks. All ages are welcome! Kirill  [talk] 03:58, 18 April 2012 (UTC) reply

Please join us for the second Smithsonian Institution Archives Edit-a-thon! This event will focus on Smithsonian history including the history of the Institution's museums, archives, research centers and the people behind them. This will be a great opportunity to learn about the Archives, work within them & with staff, and learn more about the world's largest museum complex. We hope you'll join us on Friday, May 25. Please sign up here! Sarah ( talk) 21:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC) reply Note: You received this message because you were listed here. If you no longer wish to receive messages of this nature, please remove yourself from that list.

Hi. You commented on Template:PD-FLGov on Commons some time ago so I wonder if you can help with Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2012_June_26#File:ChiefTomokieStatueTomokaStatePark.jpg. What made me send the file to PUF was the text on Commons that "This file is part of the public record...". As I read "public record" I think of text and law etc. and not photos. The logo File:FDEPlogo.jpg is fair use and that convinced me that not everything from the government is PD. If you can I would appriciate some help. Some text on the matching template talk page on Commons would also be good once things are cleared here. -- MGA73 ( talk) 15:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC) reply

If a photo was taken in America of a person about 1960 and never published and a wiki user takes a photo of that photo, which is on the wall in a frame, is the photo the wiki person took free? PumpkinSky talk 23:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Additional data: Person is deceased since 1970s, was a public figure within a local community, with many newspaper articles about the individual published, some in the statewide press, and at least one out of state news article, and numerous local history mentions, but apparently was a bit camera shy as no photos can be found other than two professional portraits. Portrait photographed is hanging on the wall of a business establishment open to the public, image taken with permission of management. Individual in question was most famous owner/tenant of the building. Montanabw ^(talk) 16:51, 10 July 2012 (UTC) reply

In the U.S., an unpublished photo never lost its copyright. If it remained unpublished through 2003, then if the photographer is known, then copyright lasts for their lifetime plus 70 years, and if not, then the earlier of 95 years from publication and 120 years from creation. See Commons:Commons:Hirtle chart. Copyright ownership is a little fuzzy... but if it was a commissioned portrait for the business, then the company probably has a good argument for owning the copyright, and the term is the 95/120 years. It really comes down to when it was published... I'm not sure that simply hanging on the wall there would count, even though that may seem logical. I would assume we would need the photo licensed to have it on Commons. Sounds like a very good chance could be made for fair use, provided you have permission to publish it -- quite often first publication without permission is not fair use, and it would not actually count as publication. If the photo was used in one of those news articles, then the situation could be very different, as if it the photo was published in that era, there's a much better chance of being PD. But if it made it past 1989 without being published, there is no chance at all. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 13:26, 11 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Well, I put it in as fair use. Image HAS to have been published somewhere, probably in the 1970s, an Obituary would count, wouldn't it? Also, could "published" include the image being etched into a woodcut and hung over a doorway? Montanabw ^(talk) 19:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC) reply

An obituary would count, yes. The doorway... maybe, depending on the circumstances (where was the door?), and only so far as the expression seen in the woodcut. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 21:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC) reply

Doorway is a historic back entrance of the building off the parking lot, now going to a professional office open to the public, though kind of discreet, not really visible until you walk up to the door. Clearly the photo was used to create the woodcut, probably one of those laser machines where you slap on an image and it's rendered in B&W with no shades of gray; I think it's pretty recent, at least, since laser woodcutting became popular around here, maybe went up late 80s at the earliest, probably a little newer. Lettering over the sign has the person's name, sort of honoring her historic impact upon that building, which she once owned. Montanabw ^(talk) 06:24, 13 July 2012 (UTC) reply

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Golf for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. - Mabeenot ( talk) 17:01, 18 July 2012 (UTC) reply

"Masterpiece Museum" Edit-a-Thon at the Smithsonian American Art Museum

The Smithsonian American Art Museum and Wikimedia DC present the "Masterpiece Museum" Edit-a-Thon. Drawing from their vast vaults of art, the caretakers of the Smithsonian American Art Museum have meticulously drawn forth canvas jewels to import into Wikimedia Commons and Wikipedia articles. The museum directors and staff are excited about this project, and would love to have experienced Wikimedians help in the effort! Kirill  [talk] 17:57, 29 July 2012 (UTC) reply When August 10, 2012, 10 AM - 4 PM Where Smithsonian American Art Museum, 7th & F St NW, Washington, DC Signup Details & signup

Backstage at the Smithsonian Libraries is part of Wikipedia Loves Libraries 2012, the second annual continent-wide campaign to bring Wikipedia and libraries together with on-site events. Running this fall through October and November, libraries (and archives) will open their doors to help build a lasting relationship with their local Wikipedian community.

Organized by Wikimedia DC, this event will take place on October 12, 2012, and will include new editor training, a "backstage pass" tour of the National Museum of Natural History, and an edit-a-thon. Everyone is welcome to attend!

Kirill  ^[talk] 18:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC) reply

Hi Carl. Thanks for responding to my query on the US flag talk page. -- Craig ( t| c) 04:36, 11 September 2012 (UTC) reply

2014 Ryder Cup has recently been created and is need of a logo and I see that you have created some Ryder Cup logos in the past.

http://golf.visitscotland.com/news_articles/ryder_cup_logo.aspx has an example of the 2014 logo. Nigej 09:49, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Brilliant. Thanks. Nigej 08:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi... hope this finds you & your's well.

If you are still up to it - I sure could use your expert input over a sure to come CopyVio debate over the book The Autobiogrphy of a Yogi on en.Ws sooner rather than later. If you're around, drop me a note on my talk page there. Thanks. -- George Orwell III ( talk) 23:36, 8 November 2012 (UTC) reply

December 10 is Ada Lovelace's birthday! Not only was she the world's first computer programmer, but also the world's first female open source developer! Come celebrate with Wikimedia District of Columbia at Busboys & Poets for an informal get together!

The Washington, DC event will be held on Monday, December 10, 2012 at Busboys & Poets on 5th St NW & K St NW near Mt Vernon Square. The area is easily accessible by the Red Line Chinatown stop and the Yellow Line and Green Line Mt Vernon Square stop, as well as by WMATA buses.

Kirill  ^[talk] 14:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC and four other local media nonprofits—the National Press Club's Young Members Committee, 100Reporters, IRE and the Fund for Investigative Journalism—in winding down another year with a night of well-mannered frivolity.

The festivities will take place on Friday evening from 6:30 PM to 9:00 PM in the Zenger Room on the 13th Floor of the National Press Club, located on 529 14th Street NW, near Metro Center. There will be meat and vegetarian appetizers as well as a cash bar with specially reduced drink prices all night long. In addition, we will be exhibiting the finalists of the Wiki Loves Monuments photo contest at the event.

Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 04:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC for Happy Hour at the Capitol City Brewery at Metro Center on Thursday, February 28 at 6 p.m. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 34. Hope to see you there! Harej ( talk) 02:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Hi Clindberg, since you are interested in meetups in DC, I'd like to invite you to attend the Cato Institute's "Wikipedia and Legislative Data" events on March 14. (There's also an all day workshop on March 15; let me know if you are interested, we may be able to add more people.)

There will be an introduction to Wikipedia and open edit-a-thon in the afternoon, and a Sunshine Week Reception in the evening. I hope you can make it!

• Please sign up here
• Announcement on Cato's blog
• Background from Cato sponsor Jim Harper's perspective
• Background from Wikipedian Pete Forsyth's perspective

Hope to see you there! - Pete ( talk) 19:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Guapo's at Tenleytown-AU on Saturday, March 9 at 5 PM All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 35. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 13:55, 4 March 2013 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your input on the copyright questions. Your comments have been useful and informative. –  JBarta ( talk) 15:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC) reply

In honor of Women's History Month, the Smithsonian and the National Museum of Women in the Arts are teaming up to organize a Women in the Arts Meetup & Edit-a-thon on Friday, March 29, 2013 from 10:00am - 5:00pm. The event is focused on encouraging women editors while improving Wikipedia entries about women artists and art world figures. This event is free of charge, but participation is limited to 20 volunteers, so RSVP today! Sarasays ( talk) 23:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, April 13 at 5:30 PM All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 36. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 19:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC) reply

The " All Things GW" editathon on Saturday, April 20, 2013 from 12:30 p.m. to 4:00 p.m. is a rare chance to go behind the scenes in the University Archives of the GW Libraries and use their unique resources to research and update Wikipedia pages related to The George Washington University and the Foggy Bottom neighborhood. Did you miss our last D.C. history editathon? This is your is your chance to come edit with wiki-friends using different great collection! The event includes a behind-the-scenes tour of the University Archives and a show-and-tell of some of its most interesting treasures, snacks, and the editathon.

Participation is limited to 30 volunteers, so RSVP today! Dominic· t 07:22, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for two exciting events this weekend:

On the evening of Friday, April 19, we're hosting our first-ever WikiSalon at our K Street office. The WikiSalon will be a twice-monthly informal meetup and collaborative editing event to help build the community of Wikimedia enthusiasts here in DC; please join us for its inaugural session. Light refreshments will be provided.

On Saturday, April 20, we've partnered with the George Washington University to host the All Things GW Edit-a-Thon at the Teamsters Labor History Research Center. Please join us for behind-the-scenes tours of the University Archives and help edit articles about GWU history.

We look forward to seeing you at one or both of these events! Kirill  ^[talk] 20:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, May 11 at 5:30 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 23:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next DC WikiSalon, which will be held on the evening of May 24 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 18:20, 17 May 2013 (UTC) reply

Join us at the NLM next week, either in person or online, to learn about NLM resources, hear some great speakers, and do some editing!

On Tuesday, 28 May there will be a community Wikipedia meeting at the United States National Library of Medicine in Bethesda, Maryland - with a second on Thursday, 30 May for those who can't make it on Tuesday. You can participate either in-person, or via an online webinar. If you attend in person, USB sticks (but not external drives) are ok to use.

Please go to the event page to get more information, including a detailed program schedule.

If you are interested in participating, please register by sending an email to pmhmeet@gmail.com. Please indicate if you are coming in person or if you will be joining us via the webinar. After registering, you will receive additional information about how to get to our campus (if coming in-person) and details about how to join the webinar. Klortho ( talk) 00:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next DC WikiSalon, which will be held on the evening of Thursday, June 6 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 11:50, 3 June 2013 (UTC) reply

I'm sorry for the last-minute notice, but on Saturday, June 8, from 3 to 6 PM, Wikimedia DC and the Cato Institute are hosting a Legislative Data Meetup. We will discuss the work done so far by WikiProject U.S. Federal Government Legislative Data to put data from Congress onto Wikipedia, as well as what more needs to be done. If you have ideas you'd like to contribute, or if you're just curious and feel like meeting up with other Wikipedians, you are welcome to come! Be sure to RSVP here if you're interested.

I hope to see you there!

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Harej ( talk) 03:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC) reply

Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, June 15 at 5:30 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 19:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC) reply

	Great American Wiknic DC at Meridian Hill Park
	You are invited to the Great American Wiknic DC at the James Buchanan Memorial at Meridian Hill Park. We would love to see you there, so sign up and bring something fun for the potluck! :)

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Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, July 13 at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 23:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC) reply

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Luce and Lunder Edit-a-thon at the Smithsonian American Art Museum You're invited to the Luce and Lunder Edit-a-thon, part of a series of edit-a-thons organized by the Smithsonian American Art Museum to add and expand articles about American art and artists on Wikipedia. This event will include a catered lunch and special tours of the Luce Foundation Center for American Art and the Lunder Conservation Center at the Smithsonian American Art Museum. 9:15 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. on Friday, July 19, 2013 Smithsonian American Art Museum Meet at G Street Lobby (9th St. & G St. NW, Washington, D.C.) Capacity is limited, so please sign up today! If you would not like to receive future messages about meetups, please remove your name from our distribution list. Message delivered by Dominic· t 23:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC). reply

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Please join Wikimedia DC for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) on Saturday, August 24 at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please see the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 03:39, 8 August 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next DC WikiSalon, which will be held on the evening of Wednesday, August 24 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 11:14, 19 August 2013 (UTC) reply

Are you free on Saturday, September 14? If so, please join Wikimedia DC and local Wikipedians for a social meetup and dinner at Vapiano (near Farragut North/Farragut West) at 6:00 PM. All Wikipedia/Wikimedia and free knowledge/culture enthusiasts, regardless of editing experience, are welcome to attend! All ages are welcome!

For more information and to sign up, please visit the meetup page. Hope to see you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 18:30, 25 August 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next WikiSalon, which will be held from 7 to 9 PM on Thursday, September 5 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon is an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 14:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for our next WikiSalon, which will be held from 7 to 9 PM on Thursday, September 26 at our K Street office.

The WikiSalon is an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss the Wikimedia projects and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own. Light refreshments will be provided.

We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 05:24, 17 September 2013 (UTC) reply

Wikimedia DC invites you to join us for a special WikiSalon at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial Library's Digital Commons Center. We will gather at 3 PM on Sunday, October 13, 2013 to discuss an important topic: what can Wikipedia and the DC area do to help each other? We hope to hear your thoughts and suggestions; if you have an idea you would like to pursue, please let us know and we will help!

Following the WikiSalon, we will be having dinner at a nearby restaurant, Ella's Wood Fired Pizza.

If you're interested in attending, please sign up at the event page. We look forward to seeing you there! Kirill  ^[talk] 01:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC) reply

Hey!

You are invited to two upcoming events in DC:

• Meetup at Capitol City Brewery on Saturday, January 25 at 6 PM. Please join us for dinner, drinks, socializing, and discussing Wikimedia DC activities and events. All are welcome! RSVP on the linked page or through Meetup.
• Art and Feminism Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, February 1 from Noon – 5 PM. Join us as we improve articles on notable women in history! All are welcome, regardless of age or level of editing experience. RSVP on the linked page or through Meetup.

I hope to see you there!

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Harej ( talk) 00:06, 16 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Hello there!

Our February WikiSalon is coming up on Sunday, February 23. Join us at our gathering of Wikipedia enthusiasts at the Kogod Courtyard of the National Portrait Gallery with an optional dinner after. As usual, all are welcome. Care to join us?

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Thank you, and hope to see you at our upcoming events! Harej ( talk) 18:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC) reply

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Could you take a look at this and tell whether the uploaded copy is a published copy or not? As far as I have understood, copies of images like this which are distributed to newspapers count as published copies if there is no restriction on how the newspaper uses the image. However, in this case, there is a stamp which clearly limits how the newspaper uses it. Does this make the uploaded copy unpublished? -- Stefan2 ( talk) 17:16, 11 March 2014 (UTC) reply

I have listed this and some other pictures at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2014 March 11#Various single-use photos. -- Stefan2 ( talk) 22:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC) reply

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Come one and come all. To a presentation at the Laurel Historical Society about how you can help verify, validate, and edit the information that is on the front line of local history.

• Show the Internet who is the better editor.
• Be the creator of culture that you know you are.
• Spread the knowledge of noteworthy people who no one but you cares about.
• Lead the charge to a better Wikipedia --- eventually.

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See you at the Laurel Pool Room, 9th and Main Street, Laurel, MD on Thursday, September 11, 2014 at 7:00 PM EST. See http://www.meetup.com/Wikimedia-DC/events/205494212/ for more information. Geraldshields11 ( talk) 02:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC) reply

The WikiSalon is a special meetup usually held during the first and third full weeks of every month, from 7 PM to 9 PM. It's an informal gathering of Wikimedia enthusiasts, who come together to discuss Wikimedia wikis and collaboratively edit. There's no set agenda, and guests are welcome to recommend articles for the group to edit or edit on their own.

If you're coming by Metro, the closest station is Dupont Circle (on the Red Line). If you're driving, a lot of parking opens up downtown after 6:30 PM, so finding a parking space (even a free one) should be easy. Once you've found the building, go to Cove on the second floor. We will be in the conference room.

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Hi Clindberg. I am wondering if you are the same Clindberg that was helping me at c:COM:VPC#Baltimore police patches. If so, then perhaps you can provide some clarification at WP:NFCR#File:Chicago Police Patch.png. I'm trying to determine whether the patch in question is OK as {{ PD-ineligible}} because if it is then the NFCC concerns about its usage would become a moot point. Any comments you might have, either way, would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 01:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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I MOVED THIS QUESTION TO COMMONS Rybkovich ( talk) 19:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply

Hi, I wanted to ask you a follow up question. You said that:

Even if there are similar logos, it can still be copyrightable. It would not prevent someone else from designing a similar logo, but one which reproduced the exact lines seen in this one could still be a problem.... The other chance is if this exact logo was in use before 1989 or especially 1978; I would suspect that there were many publications of it without a copyright notice, and if so its copyright may have been lost then. I could not find any in a quick search, but the team name has been in use since the 1920s.

Does it mean that: If I did find a pre 1978 poster without a copyright and that had the logo in it - it could be argued that the logo itself would lose the copyright not just the image of the poster? Would it make a difference if there was also another poster with the logo in it but this poster had a copyright? Thanks allot this is all very interesting. Rybkovich ( talk) 19:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Five years!

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I warned you that I would probably need your skills. I am working on a photograph that crosses multiple borders and am hoping you can help me out. This image was taken per the The Museum of World Cutlure (Världskulturmuseet) in 1886 during the Popper Expedition. That would be logical, considering that Popper immigrated in 1885 (p 91) and died in Argentina in 1893. (pp 92, 107) There is no evidence in accounts of who took the pictures, or that he published the photographs, but he gave public lectures with photographs and presented the photo album of his exploration to the President Miguel Juárez in 1887. (p 94) Article 17 of the 1869 Constitution of Argentina provided that intellectual property rights had protection for a term to be specified by law. No separate legislation on term was passed until 1910, which provided protection for ten years after the death of the author. BUT, no provision was made for anonymous works. pp 490-491 Since we have no idea who in Popper's expedition took the photograph, it appears that it had no protection. Fast forward to 1931, when it was published by Martin Gusinde (1886-1969). [11] in [ Vienna. The copyright law of 1936 provided in §13 that in the absence of a known author, the publisher assumed the rights of authorship. In §74 (6) the term is defined as expiring 20 years after a photograph was created or 20 years after publication. [12] Thus copyright in Austria expired in 1951. As no subsequent law was passed prior to URAA effective date of 1996 (the Austrian law was next amended in 1998) it was in the PD in the US as it was published outside the US, had not been renewed, and was out of copyright 1 January 1996. Do you concur with this analysis that it is in the PD in the country of origin, Argentina, in Austria, and in the US by virtue of URAA? Any insight you can give will be helpful and thanks for taking the time to evaluate it. SusunW ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC) reply

and a wee bit of more information, which I discovered today working on another Austrian photograph:

Austria's first legislation for authors was a legal patent protection declared in 1846. This remained as the only protection in Austria, as they did not sign the 1886 Bern Convention for artistic and literary works, until 1895, when Austria-Hungary passed the "Law on Copyright in Works of Literature, Art and Photography". [13] The law, amended in 1907, and incorporating the Hungarian law of 1884, provided a general term of copyright of 30 years in Austria and 50 years in Hungary for anonymous works, or life +30 in Austria (and life +50 in Hungary) for known authors. Specifically photographs were required to contain an author's notice and if they did that were protected for 10 years in Austria and 5 years in Hungary.( p. 406) Austria joined the Bern Convention in 1920 and adopted a new copyright law in 1936; [14]. Which means technically, I guess that the book published in 1931 was out of copyright in 1999, but the photographs being anonymous and bearing no photographer identification were not protected? SusunW ( talk) 22:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC) reply

@ SusunW: Sorry, thought I had replied to this earlier, but had not clicked "Publish changes". Details, details. Austria implemented the EU directive in March 1996. That overrode all those old terms and made the term in Austria today as 70pma, which is usually what matters for Commons. However, you are correct that that happened after the URAA date, and I think that should mean all those earlier terms are then still valid for URAA purposes. Commons did have a template at c:Template:PD-Austria-1932 which was hopeful that the restorations did not happen even in Austria, but it was recently deleted / deprecated following a review. Since Commons has to respect the Austrian status, that means that files which are still within 70pma can't be moved there. However, if they were anonymous then the term there is 70 years from publication, and pre-1932 photos should also be fine in both countries due to those old laws avoiding URAA restoration. I would have to see the transitional provisions of the 1936 law to see how previous works were treated, i.e. did they get protection if they were unprotected before, etc., but that seems moot since even the 1936 protection would have expired on the URAA date. All this provided, of course, that the photos were first published in Austria (making it the country of origin, and URAA source country). If they were first published in Argentina, then c:Template:PD-AR-Photo would seem to apply instead, which is easier to obtain. Lastly, if all the publications have been without permission, i.e. it is still technically unpublished, then it would be PD in the U.S. by virtue of being more than 120 years after creation ( c:Template:PD-US-unpublished). But it seems reasonable to assume it was published at some point in the past, either being effectively published in Argentina, or by the Austrian publication you found. Either way, Commons also now has c:Template:PD-old-assumed, which for lack of any better information assumes that works created more than 120 years ago have also passed the PD-old-70 threshold most likely, and are OK to host. So you could use that as well. So yes, I think the photo is fine for Commons and certainly the U.S. It sounds like the photos were used by Popper, so my best guess would be that they were published in Argentina not long after being taken, so they would be PD by virtue of being published before 1909. I would probably use PD-AR-Photo and PD-US-expired and put the image on Commons. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 17:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Gracias, mi amigo. I truly appreciate your help, as these can get so very complicated. SusunW ( talk) 18:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC) reply

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When you have time if you could look over the Sources/permissions of the image-Files in Bath School disaster it would be a big help. I am thinking of submitting it for FAC but am waiting for your opinion on the images + a general prose review from another fabulous Wikipedian before I proceed. If you could post your thoughts on the WP:Media copyright questions page that would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Shearonink ( talk) 16:57, 27 February 2020 (UTC) reply

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Hi Clindberg. I'm wondering what your assessment of this image might be based upon what you posted at c:COM:VPC#PD-US-no notice usage. It obviously was taken well before 1964, but once again there's no information which clearly shows the photo was published without a notice. The file is sourced to what looks to be a fan page for Judy Garland, but there's no direct link to the image. The file was originally uploaded as non-free, but it was a recent attempt to change its licensing to {{ PD-US-no notice}} that led to it being asked about at WP:MCQ. (Which kind of makes one wonder if the editor converting the license was just going by what they saw on Wikipedia without checking the actual source of the image). Anyway, this could be a case where the file was published with a notice, but it simply wasn't renewed; if that's true, then the license should probably be {{ PD-US-not renewed}}. Is there a way to actually find out whether a copyright notice has been renewed? Otherwise, it seems to come down to whether someone's word is good enough, which may actually depend on who is actually doing the uploading or the license conversion: someone with a questionable history of file uploads or license conversions or just uploading a file for the first time is less likely to be believed than perhaps someone who regularly uploads files or assesses licenses without creating problems. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 09:34, 23 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Hi Clindberg. Would you mind taking a look at the images discussed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 October 10#Henry Kulka images when you have some time? As pointed out during that discussion, some of the files might actually be OK licensed as PD and thus acceptable for Commons. Even if some of them would only be PD in the US, it might be possible to convert their licensing to {{ PD-USonly}} or some other PD license for local use on English Wikipedia. If images which have a good chance at being PD can be seperated out, they can be discussed over on Commons. This would also go a long way it helping to further sort out any of the bunch that need to remain licensed as non-free content. There's no great rush in figuring this out, but I would appreciate any input you can provide. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 00:51, 9 December 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Marchjuly: Looks like it has been closed. It does not look like there is a license on any of the uploaded images, so you would have to show PD status. Most of the dates seem to be when the building was constructed, not when the photo was taken (or often more importantly when it was published). If any of those photos were first published in Germany, they would have been restored by the URAA and still be under U.S. copyright. For the ones published in Austria in 1931, where the author died in 1944, those may be OK -- Austria's old law gave photos a 20 year from publication term. This was non-retroactively increased to 70pma in 1953, but those photos would have expired by then, so they remained PD. Austria retroactively restored them to 70pma in early 1996, but that did not happen until after the URAA date, so the U.S. status remains PD. They were re-copyrighted in Austria from 1996 until 2015, but have since gone back to public domain there. (See Commons:Template:PD-Austria-1932, which is invalid as a tag following the retroactive restoration in 1996, but remains relevant for URAA purposes.) For photos first published in New Zealand, I think needed to be taken before 1944 (a 1994 law non-retroactively changed them from 50 years from creation, to 50pma). You would also have to deal with the FoP status, given that the architecture itself is still under copyright, but that is fine for both Austria and New Zealand. If these uploads were the first publication though, not sure we can rely on any of that -- they would likely still be under copyright in the US depending on when the author died. So you would have to show pre-1989 publication of them, at least. In that discussion, sounds like a couple of the 1931 ones may be OK, but evidence would need to be supplied for the rest, at quick glance. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 04:18, 9 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for taking a look at these Carl. I realized the FFD about them had already been closed when I posted the above and wasn't really looking for you to WP:!VOTE there. I was more interested in whether any of the photos (particularly the early ones from Austria) might be considered to be PD. I figure the one which have a good chance of being PD can be separated from the rest, then it might be easier to sort the other non-free ones out. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 09:44, 11 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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Hi Carl. Perhaps you can help answer this person’s question? I’d imagine that high school years are not treated any differently from other books when it comes to this type of thing. I’m also assuming that most of the photos (except class and faculty/staff portrait photos which were probably taken by a professional) were taken by school staff, but not sure if they even worried as to how that might affect copyright ownership down the road. Maybe it would be considered a work for hire? Anyway, I couldn’t find a copyright notice on any if the yearbook’s pages so maybe this could be {{ PD-US-no notice}}. I also have no idea who the publisher was, but perhaps it was a company that specializes in this kind of thing? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 10:24, 10 March 2022 (UTC) reply

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Hi Clindberg. Would you mind taking a look at File:Princess Seble Desta holding flowers with Emperor Haile Selassie, Prince Sahle, President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and First Lady Mamie Eisenhower.jpeg? It's an AP Wire photo and the {{ PD-because}} license seems questionable at best. Do you know of a way to track down old AP photos to see whether they were published with notices or whether their copyrights were removed? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 02:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC) reply

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Hi Clindberg. Perhaps you can help sort out whether the photo in question is PD enough to be moved to Commons. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 13:16, 8 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi Carl. I'm wondering if you can think of any way that File:Madeleine Riffaud.jpg might be PD. I know nothing about the file's provenance other than what's given in its description, but for the sake of argument let's say it was taken during WWII and its country of origin was c:COM:FRANCE. France seems to be following a 70 year p.m.a for photos by anonymous authors; so, 1945 + 70 would be 2015. Is it possible that this could still be protected in the US since it wouldn't have been PD in France by the URAA date or am I mixing things up a bit? -- Marchjuly ( talk) 05:22, 8 December 2022 (UTC) reply

If it was published anonymously in France in 1944, it may be OK. Published in 1945 would be doubtful, and published anytime after that would mean its U.S. copyright likely got restored. France had 50 years from publication for anonymous works before 1997 (including on the URAA date), when they went to the EU norms of 70 years. Works published before WWII got an 8 year wartime extension, but not ones published during the war. If the photographer is known, then it would be 70pma. You can see it was used in a 2016 Times article here, and appeared in 2013 here with no credit, and in 2012 here with a copyright of "private collection". Most of the uses are stories where she was interviewed, so it's possible she provided it. The term really comes down to when it was first made available to the public. Not sure she got much publicity for many decades, so seems doubtful it happened in WWII. If it was only first made available in the 1970s or later, then the 70 year term started then and it would still be under copyright. We would need much better provenance information to even think about PD status -- it's barely possible and very unlikely. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 06:13, 8 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Thanks for looking into this Carl. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 07:32, 8 December 2022 (UTC) reply

Hi! This is from 1905 and according to text on one of the versions in the file history the photograph was taken by "Hulton and Company, Manchester". No name was mentioned. I wonder if this could be {{ PD-UK-unknown}}. Edward Hulton himself died in 1925 but since they did not mention the photographer we can't be 100% sure he was the photographer. -- MGA73 ( talk) 14:18, 3 May 2023 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I would say if we know the old publication, and no author is mentioned there, then it's anonymous, so PD-UK-unknown should work. Carl Lindberg ( talk) 21:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC) reply

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