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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Imperfection_(Evanescence_song)&redirect=no There are two redirects both with categories for this song. Cheers. In ictu oculi ( talk) 16:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Saw you were changing the 'Poppy (singer)' categories to go along with the main category, 'Poppy (singer)'. Can we just change the main category to 'Poppy' (which is not being used) and reroute the rest to that one? Thanks. Randy Kryn ( talk) 20:25, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
How did you even find the Britney Spears redirects I created if I never added anything to them? Did you go back through my contributions history to August 2016 to see what I made then? Now you've been going through and creating talk pages and adding categories to a slew of other pages I never tagged with R from song or anything that you would have been able to identify them with (from August 2017, IU's songs from Palette). Then editing This Is Me (Keala Settle song) minutes after I did, indicating you are currently checking up on what I'm doing. By all means, do try and explain how else you found these redirects I created if I never added anything to them other than you seeking out what I've made. But please, find somebody else's contributions to trawl through. I'm getting tired of being the target of your unnecessary "maintenance". This is starting to seem like WP:Wikihounding. Ss 112 19:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you added {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}} to a number of pages, but that is generally used only in cases where a longer disambiguating term/phrase redirects to the base term or to a title with the same base name and shorter disambiguating term/phrase. For songs redirecting to albums, use {{ R to album}} or {{ R from song}} older ≠ wiser 11:44, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Bkonrad:. I was expecting an answer to my question above, but I find that would not be best practice either as editors will add the song to the various categories, thereby creating more confusion. What solution is there to noting that a redirect is a duplicate? Any suggestions? -- Richhoncho ( talk) 13:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
...do this again and I'll take you there, personally. Cassianto Talk 10:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Category:Songs written by Takeoff (rapper), which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Binksternet ( talk) 20:46, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Richhoncho, sorry but what kind of idea is that to revert my whole edit by simply stating "not true"? I put in the link for Chekhov, and I mentioned the names Verlaine and Rimbaud which are in the song. Plus, if you look at the lyrics on [1], it says the author's relationships have been "like Verlaine's and Rimbaud" which should be "like Verlaine's and Rimbaud's". -- Bernardoni ( talk) 12:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, when redirecting a title for a song to article for the album or artist, please use {{ R from song}} instead of {{ R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. Unnecessary disambiguation only applies in cases where the parenthetical term (or a portion of it) is unnecessary and the target for the redirect is the title without the parenthetical (or with the shortened form of the parenthetical). Regards, older ≠ wiser 15:43, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Richhoncho. I saw you removed a category I put on the redirect page for "That Girl" by Maxi Priest. That's fine since I'm not obsessed with categories, but I'm wondering what you meant by "removed year of song, unlikely!" I'm positive the song was released in 1996, but I just don't understand why you removed it since I've seen the category on other pages alongside "YYYY Singles". Furthermore, I see you didn't remove the "1999 songs" category on another one of my redirects you edited, "Where I'm Headed". I'd appreciate it if you cleared this up for me. Nowmusicfan2816 ( talk) 01:55, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Lavender (BadBadNotGood song). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.
Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Falling Gravity 20:07, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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Hi there, Richard, nice to meet you.
Concerning Dylan's discography and the use of the terms "compilation" or "studio" or "live" albums to designate them, there is always going to be some grey areas (e.g. Self Portrait is all three at the same time). Yet, when people expect a new "Dylan album" (or an album by any artist for that matter), there is a perceived difference if it is a coherent work of contemporary work assembled by the artist or a compilation of older work by others. Further, in the case of the "studio" designation, there is a presumption that the artist went into a recording studio to record the work for a coherent presentation.
Wikipedia's entry for "compilation album" ( /info/en/?search=Compilation_album) is that "A compilation album comprises tracks, either previously released or unreleased, usually from several separate recordings by either one or several performers. If by one artist, then generally the tracks were not originally intended for release together as a single work, but may be collected together as a greatest hits album or box set."
In the case of Dylan (1973), it has been often-remarked that the album was a compilation of outtakes from New Morning and Self Portrait session that Dylan had no intention of releasing; instead, CBS (Columbia) released the album as a sort of retaliation to Dylan signing with David Geffen's Asylum Records in 1973. Dylan (1973) was released three years after the studio recordings were made, they were compiled by someone other than Bob Dylan, and the tracks (using the definition above) were "previously...unreleased" and "from several separate recordings" and "were not originally intended for release together as a single work." Really, Dylan (1973) is a kind of anti- version of Another Self Portrait, with ASP intending to recast the period and Dylan intending to be a money-making scheme for CBS that kept Dylan from collecting songwriter's royalties given that all the tracks were written by others.
The Basement Tapes is really a proto-Bootleg Series album. It was released eight years after the Bob Dylan demos were recorded in 1967, with some more recent studio recordings by The Band. It also fits the definition of a compilation album, being a compilation of tracks recorded at different times "not originally intended for release together as a single work." Further, the tracks are by "several performers" that feature "a theme, topic, or genre which links the tracks" (that theme being the songs written and recorded in 1967 at Big Pink). They were intended to be demos and nothing more...acetates that other musicians could listen to and record. As Robbie Robertson says in the 1985 insert liner notes for Biograph, "The idea was to record some demos for other people. They were never intended to be a record, never meant to be presented" (insert liner notes for "Million Dollar Bash"). Whereas some subsequent work was done to present the 1975 album for release (the downgrading of the Garth Hudson stereo recordings to mono to give it a "low tech/home brew" feel, the addition of eight later recordings by The Band), this work is not unlike the addition of five new recordings ("Watching the River Flow," "When I Paint My Masterpiece," "I Shall Be Released," "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere," and "Down in the Flood") to Greatest Hits Vol. II, which is still clearly a compilation album, or the additional editing and adding of a keyboard part to "Series of Dreams" for the 1991 Bootleg Series, or even the reworking of "Dignity" (addition of drums, guitar, banjo, etc.) for 1994's Greatest Hits Volume 3, which is also still clearly a compilation album. In each of these instances, there is either subsequent work done on tracks or new tracks recorded for an album that is not regarded as a studio album.
Of course, the clearest argument that each of these be regarded as a compilation album, rather than a studio album, is that for every other studio album, Bob Dylan went into a studio to record and release a coherent work. Whether the studio session was short and sweet like that for Another Side of Bob Dylan or "Love & Theft," or protracted like Knocked Out Loaded and Down in the Groove. That was not the intent of Dylan (1973) and The Basement Tapes.
This is why Expecting Rain, one of the oldest and most complete Bob Dylan websites, regards Dylan and The Basement Tapes as compilation albums ( https://www.expectingrain.com/discussions/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=82082) and it is why all of the press with regard to both of these albums as the time of release, as well as the work of biographers and other critics subsequently, have treated these albums differently.
Thank you for your diligence and consideration.
Hello Richard,
I will gladly discuss it there. I would point out that the "consensus" you mention is an unexamined intertia here that is the result of Wikipedia's studio/compilation/live categories (of course, I know these classifications have been around for decades and even used by Dylan scholars, but most Dylan publications throughout the years simply list all Dylan albums in their discographies and do not classify them). No published Dylan critic discusses the Dylan album or The Basement Tapes as if it was a studio album like Desire or Knocked Out Loaded.
By the way, since we are corresponding, you mention that you disagree with me. Can you tell me your reason? There is no Wikipedia entry for studio album, but the Wikipedia definition for its entry of "Compilation" album is pretty clear...why do you disagree? Further, when ever anyone discusses The Basement Tapes, the commentator (whether participant or critic) foreground that it is an assembly of acetates cut to be demos...which is antithetical to what a studio album would be. So, why do you disagree?
You claim that redirects are not cheap. Perhaps you would care to nominate some of these redirects for deletion. Or these. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 15:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
What do you want me to say? Sorry, Wikipedia is full of inconsistency - that is part of the fun of it. You and I have different ideas about redirects - let's leave it at that. If I notice any redirects tagged by you for deletion, I shall not touch them. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 10:22, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I have no idea what you are talking about. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 23:46, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
When I do a speedy deletion, I do not usually look to see who has applied the tag. And even if I am removing a speedy tag it is possible to do so without seeing who applied it. But I have now noted your name and style and will be more careful in future.
Please approve this clutch of deletions. But I will leave you to decide whether we need all 54 of these redirects. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 11:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I was about to remove the speedy tag from Opening Station (Paul McCartney song) but I restrained myself. — RHaworth ( talk · contribs) 09:08, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
This discussion ended in a result. Please don't implement the result you were seeking but failed to gain consensus for, as it looks like you did here. Thanks! Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:25, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
I saw your creation of this talk page show up in the new pages list and had to do a double take to see that it wasn't vandalism. That's a weird one. Home Lander ( talk) 21:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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Read what I wrote when I removed your talk page message. That doesn't mean continue reverting as you see fit. You seem to think you can get away with reverting editors as many times as you like. I'll report you to an admin if you keep it up. This isn't the first time I've seen you engage in this type of behaviour. I suppose you don't care about
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Did I do the right thing?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:52, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Hello. Was it your annonymous edit and do you wanted to say "Walk on Water" is the same song as "I Can Walk on Water I Can Fly"? Techically it's different instrumental and has different titles. Eurohunter ( talk) 20:23, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Do you want to take care of this? Category:Songs by musical instrument. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 18:21, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Richhoncho, I see that you re-added some categories to some redirects that I restored, per WP:RCAT "Redirects are not usually sorted to article categories". So I am just wondering if the song article categories are an exception to this guideline? Best wishes, Polyamorph ( talk) 10:55, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Rich, do you think Gold (John Stewart song) should be categorized under Category:Stevie Nicks songs because of her significant part as backing vocalist, probably more than many songs from today that have a "featuring" credit? Thanks. 19:39, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
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Hey, so since you look for redirects with titles not mentioned at their targets, you might want to have a look at the amount of redirects to Azealia Banks-related articles, particularly Fantasea II: The Second Wave. There are plenty of instances of her songs not being mentioned at the targets because she's never confirmed a track list for some of her upcoming projects, fans love to insert fake ones into the articles, and she has several projects that have been delayed for years. Just a heads up. Ss 112 13:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
You deleted my article on Lookin' At Tomorrow (A Welfare Song) for notability reasons. The sources used to create that page were the credible sources used on the Surf's Up album page. It is the only song on the album without a discrete page, so the deletion doesn't make much sense to me. Could you please reinstate it?
Hello, would you please clarify why you thought this was unnecessary? I checked Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Assessment but saw nothing to answer my question. I'm just curious, mind you – I don't have strong feelings about it one way or the other. Thanks, -- Black Falcon ( talk) 17:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
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Rich, WP:C2D does not appear to apply to things like "Category:XXX songs" relative to articles "XXX", right? Dicklyon ( talk) 03:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
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I've seen that you added the expand section template to The Sacrament of Sin and my question is, what if these songs are written by the entire band? Should I list all the band members? -- Szegewar ( talk) 07:12, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
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How should I be able to make character pages? And if skilled enough how should I compose the pages?
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Thank you for fixing my screw-up on this article – it keep getting reverted from the redirect with no obvious additional notability, and sometimes when I edit from my phone just before going to bed, it doesn't always do what I want it to... Richard3120 ( talk) 16:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on Category:Songs written by David Ball (musician) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.
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Hello Richhoncho. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of User:Ainzboogie/Street Beat, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: "Redirects are exempt from G13 deletion." See WP:G13. Of course, this is eligible for deletion on the user's request ( WP:U1). Thank you. Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 21:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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If a redirect is a miscapitalisation of a song, it is from a miscapitalisation and a song no? Whitevenom187 ( talk) 02:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks, because I haven't really internalized the proper use of R avoided double redirect yet and thus tend to be lazy.
However, as correctly stated in the target article, the song's title is officially "MAX 300" in all caps, so R avoided double redirect should have gone on the other redirect.
I'm not clear on whether Wikipedia's article-titling conventions would affect this, especially since it is a redirect. For example, WP:MOSTM discourages blindly adopting official capitalizations for business names and other trademarks, but it doesn't cover songs. -- SoledadKabocha ( talk) 17:43, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. Basshunter's cover was released in 2006 and it is missing in categories among his other covers and original songs. Eurohunter ( talk) 16:56, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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@ Richhoncho: Hi. Perhaps I'm not understanding how Hotcat works and/or why a Norwegian Heavy Metal Singer would not also be a Heavy Metal Singer? Are you saying that a "Norwegian Heavy Metal Singer" is a subcategory of Heavy Metal Singer, a "Norwegian songwriters" is a subcategory of Songwriters and "Progressive rock guitarists" is a subcategory of Progressive rock musicians? Therefore having them listed in both is redundant? I'm trying to understand why a heavy metal singer who happens to be Norwegian, would not also be categorized as a heavy metal singer. Can you explain that to me? Thank you. -- Warriorboy85 ( talk) 17:57, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for catching those. I was using the Rater on Twinkle, and didn't pick up that it was rating them as stubs rather than redirects. Onel5969 TT me 02:31, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
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Hey, I removed that Drake category on 6th Sense (Kodak Black song) because it's actually Aubrey Robinson, not Graham who is credited as a writer. per source: https://www.umusicpub.com/nl/Digital-Music-Library/song/363345/kodak-black-6th-sense Fejkxk ( talk) 20:11, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Hi, good morning. I see that you have empried at least three categories out of process, Category:KSI (entertainer) albums, Category:KSI (entertainer) songs, and Category:Songs written by KSI (entertainer), transferring their content, respectively, to new categories, Category:KSI albums, Category:KSI songs, and Category:Songs written by KSI. But in fact we have an established process dealing with categories, which is WP:CFD. Someonestarted this process, nominating two of the categories for speedy move, but there have been objections raised, and the nomination was withdrawn [3]. I have moved all the articles back to the old categories and redirected the new ones. If you still want to move the categories, please nominate them for usual (not speedy) CFD.-- Ymblanter ( talk) 07:43, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
I noted that the new content was WP:UNSOURCED (or unreliably sourced) and (maybe my interpretation is incorrect) I thought maybe it was a bit too much detail, so I thought it would be better to just say that Neil Diamond recorded his own version on his album "Just for You", but a bot reverted my edit as vandalism, and I reported that as a false positive. I didn't intend to vandalize, I was just trying to do some cleanup, as the article looked like it had been screwed up beyond repair. To me, that doesn't seem like the kind of edit that would constitute vandalism. Unless it somehow does constitute vandalism (and I'm not trying to start a WP:WAR) I'm gonna go ahead and restore to my revision before the bot reverted me.-- 2601:153:881:3D60:F583:F210:4395:417A ( talk) 07:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I see your argument. I have reinstated Category:1944 songs because there is genuine ambiguity about whether the song was first played in 1943 or 1944 and our categorisation should reflect that. However, I've left out the category based on the 1948 recording per your reasoning. — Brigade Piron ( talk) 08:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Songs written by The Game (rapper) has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Binksternet ( talk) 15:56, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, when you emptied Category:Songs about presidents to Category:Songs about politicians, [4] you removed the contents e.g. Category:Songs about presidents of North Korea from its other parent Category:Works about presidents. I've put them directly in there for now. However, it seems to me that with 4 potential sub-cats and at least 2 direct members for songs for ROC presidents, there is sufficient justification to keep Category:Songs about presidents. – Fayenatic London 17:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
... such as doing page move when a discussion is ongoing, and when there is a banner on the article page reminding editors not to move the page. – robertsky ( talk) 14:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your help on my contributions! but... why did you delete the template R with possibilities from some redirects? 7szz ( talk) 20:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Do you think the Weezer version is worthy of its own standalone article? I don't totally understand how the revised policy on cover songs is supposed to work. Some categorization would still be redundant, too. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 19:48, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for setting up the Category:Songs written by Heather Baron-Gracie category! Dunno if you're a fan like me, but I appreciate it all the same!-- Gen. Quon [Talk] (I'm studying Wikipedia!) 14:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Is there a correct formatting for these redirects? I've just been going with the fixes I've seen on previous redirect articles (on songs from Chronologic and Mega). As for the creation of these redirects, Wikipedia:Redirects are cheap. These are unambiguous, it's easy to verify that the song is on the album, and I personally use the "(song)" suffix when I'm searching Wikipedia for songs. Even redirects I created just a day ago are getting views: " Spring and a Storm", " Taken for a Ride (song)", and " Greener (song)" have three, " The Bidding" has four, and " Be Born" and " Welcome to Tally Hall" have seven. I don't think it would be fair to delete these, because we know that they are getting used and redirect to the right place. Scrooge200 ( talk) 18:25, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
It's my understanding that Will Simms is producer name, William Simmister is his legal name (same as The-Dream being Terius Nash). Given that William Simms is a disambig page, we could rename the category Song recordings produced by Will Simms (producer). Even if there weren't a plethora of articles now in this cat., WP:SMALLCAT does allow for categories with minimal entries if they're part of a wider categorisation system, of which producer and songwriter cats are. I mean I could always try and create a stub about Will Simms but surely that's not necessary given how many songs they've been involved with? >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 08:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
I didn't appreciate the threat to go "straight to WP:ANI", so I'm reaching out to you on your talkpage per the request on WP:ANI. I unfortunately am not comfortable with you WP:HOUNDING or threatening to take action without first trying to resolve the issue. If you continue to HOUND me I will no choice but to start a discussion on WP:ANI. Thank you. Tree Critter ( talk) 23:16, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Category:Songs written by Ollie Green has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 12:16, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Category:Songs written by Richard Stannard (songwriter) has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 21:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Category:Song recordings produced by Richard Stannard (songwriter) has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. >> Lil-unique1 ( talk) — 21:23, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
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I saw you wanted to redirect a category I recently created. I agree, I should had called it songs instead of singles. So yes please delete or redirect the page. DominicanWikiEdit1996 ( talk) 01:45, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, I just noticed that someone re-added a China category after you removed Category:Chinese patriotic songs from that hierarchy in March. Your edit summary was "simplify", but I don't consider that the edit was helpful, so I'm reverting it. Please would you review any similar edits that you may have done around that time? – Fayenatic London 08:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
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In Category:Song recordings produced by Suga (rapper) you mentioned "if the article moves..." Can you tell me how one would move it? Just rename it and create a redirect from the old name to the new one? Or do I need to go through some official process to get it done? The request as discussed on its talk page is to change the "(rapper)" in the title to "(musician)" due to the amount of non-rap music works he has, but the discussion seems to have stalled so I don't know how to get it moving again :-( Thanks for your help! DownTheRabbitBurrow ( talk) 14:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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Good afternoon, I recently fact checked some info about this song and went to the source, William Kaufman. I will add the email traffic below in case you want to make some updates. I don't have the time nor the skill.
Start reading at the bottom...
Hi Ron,
Yes, definitely- it was quite chilling to see his once-beautiful cursive handwriting deteriorate almost overnight sometime around 1953. By the time he stopped writing, around 1961 or so, it was just chicken scratches.
All best, Will
Sent from Outlook for iOS From: LEE, Sent: Friday, March 1, 2024 12:56:15 PM To: William Kaufman Subject: RE: Questions about Old Man Trup
Thank you again. This exchange has been so fascinating to me, as well as the way you spoke about him in the attachments you sent me. If I have learned anything from meeting Richard Dawkins and a few others I looked up to, it is that one should never have any personal heroes. They will always let you down. I am almost afraid about what I will learn!
Have you ever given any thought to the differences in handwriting styles? As you combed through the archives did anything stand out to you regarding the juxtaposition of what appears to be a steady hand when using cursive in the first picture and the sloppy print of the second picture? I guess it is because of his sickness in later life, but it would be interesting if there is a psychological basis in this as well.
Have a good weekend!
From: William Kaufman Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 4:29 PM To: LEE, Re: Questions about Old Man Trup
Hi Ron,
Many thanks for sending me your PhD thesis – I’ll look forward to going through it! Actually, I’m in this bureaucratic oddity called the School of Psychology and the Humanities simply due to the umpteenth reorganization of the university structures … I don’t, myself, teach in the area of Psychology (although I have utilised the theories of Melanie Klein once or twice in my scholarship).
More importantly, I neglected to deal with a query in your first email, about whether there was any photographic or digital evidence pertaining to Woody’s “Old Man Trump” stuff. I can vouch for the authenticity of these two photos (taken from the Tulsa World), since I saw them myself in the archives when I was going through Woody’s notebooks. Furthermore, there is an extant home recording (kind of sad) of a very ill Woody singing some lyrics – “I Don’t Like the Way the World Is Treating Me” – in which he names his landlord, “Mr. Trump.” Here it is: https://y.ou.tu.be/hh1QXhqXDbU . Again, I can vouch for the authenticity.
All best,
Will
By the way, I just noticed your signature block and I thought you may find my dissertation interesting since you teach psychology and humanities.
I do not work in academia, but I did complete my Ph.D. and wrote my dissertation on “Officer and Enlisted Interactions and the Impact on LMX Relationships, Good Order and Discipline, and Organizational Effectiveness” The study focused on drone crews navigating interpersonal relationships in a culture where officers and enlisted service members are socially and professionally segregated. These relationships are impacted by killing, watching disturbing video feeds, and becoming very familiar with one another during periods of boredom.
No need to reply and I am not asking you to read it. I am just sharing this in case you find it interesting; this a subject that many people know nothing about and crosses lanes with you professionally.
V/r,
Ron
Hi Ron,
No worries at all – and many thanks for your message. I can understand your confusion and even skepticism surrounding this issue, because Woody never wrote a song called “Old Man Trump.” That “song” was put together by Ryan Harvey (with Nora Guthrie’s encouragement) from notebook fragments that I discovered in the Guthrie Archives and initially published in this Conversation article: Woody Guthrie, ‘Old Man Trump’ and a real estate empire’s racist foundations (theconversation.com) .
You’re right in observing that I couldn’t include this info in Woody Guthrie, American Radical. But I did include it in my subsequent book, Woody Guthrie’s Modern World Blues (U of Oklahoma Press, 2017). Please see the attached chapter; the Trump stuff is on pp. 216-220.
Also, this one might interest you: In another newly discovered song, Woody Guthrie continues his assault on ‘Old Man Trump’ (theconversation.com)
And I wrote one final book on Woody – Mapping Woody Guthrie (U of Oklahoma Press, 2019). I only briefly allude to the Trump stuff in that one (pp. 100-102). It’s mostly a rehash of what’s covered in Modern World Blues, but feel free to read the attached.
I should say, by the way, that as a historian I wasn’t all that happy with Nora’s decision to have those discovered fragments amalgamated into a song. It’s created a lot of justifiable confusion. But, well, she’s in charge of the Woody estate … Meanwhile, I’ve quite moved on since my Woody days – I no longer perform those shows, and I’ve been working on other things lately (FYI: Amazon.com: American Song and Struggle from Columbus to World War 2: A Cultural History: 9781316514337: Kaufman, Will: Books)
Hope this helps!
With best wishes,
Will
Will Kaufman, PhD, FRSA, FHEA Professor of American Literature and Culture School of Psychology and Humanities Livesey House 311 University of Central Lancashire Preston PR1 2HE United Kingdom
From: LEE,
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 2:41 PM
To: William Kaufman (School of Psychology and Humanities)
Cc: Ron Lee
Subject: Questions about Old Man Trump
Good morning, or afternoon in your case,
In the past two days I have found myself deep in a Woody Guthrie rabbit hole. I am part of a scientific skepticism community and shared this crazy story about Woody Guthrie’s song. As one does with information unknown to be true, yet aligns with one’s biases, you caveat the message with “I didn’t research this, but” and pass it along as truth.
The resident folklorist questioned if this song was possibly “retrofitted folklore” written later and passed along as an old song. I gave that some thought and started on Wikipedia.
The Wikipedia article states that you found handwritten lyrics in the Tulsa archive In January 2016. Therefore, I assume the 2015 book American Radical does not include that song since it was released on 3 August 2015 (I initially thought you may have found it combing through the archives while researching this book).
Based on the previous sentence I learned a few things about how google shows results and dates.
All YouTube videos with people playing the song were from 2016 and beyond, however videos referencing Old Man Trump existed a decade sooner.
Two lyrics websites from 2011 also referenced the dong, I believe that future updates were included in this date because of the Spanish website mentioned next. One Spanish website with the song downloadable from 2013 was found, then the same website shows up again as being from 2009, which leads me to believe that future updates are included in the date shown.
I think there is a good reason to be skeptical about this song because mis/disinformation is rampant leading up to an election which is probably partially why those lyrics were picked up so quickly by Tom Morello and catapulted into the mainstream that year. One also must consider the timing of American Radical being published and the historical trend of authors pushing disinformation to boost book sales. Yet this skepticism must be taken into context based on your background, “Also a professional folksinger and multi-instrumentalist, he has performed hundreds of musical presentations on Woody Guthrie at universities, music festivals, and folk clubs throughout Europe and the United States.” Naturally, I would not be surprised to learn that you would continue to study Woody’s work after you published your book. The final concern for me would be that he never played the song due to an injury. However, the timeline does match where he lived and him not being able to sing explains this concern. However, that would make this an excellent cover story to lend credibility to a fabrication.
Typing this email out makes me feel as though I am questioning your intellectual honesty; I am definitely not. I do believe the timing is a coincidence and I do believe if someone found a relevant song from him lost in the archives that someone like you would find it. I am also not convinced that a fabrication about a Trump song in the 2016 election cycle would increase book sales about a folk singer.
Just so you know who I am; I am not a journalist, I have no social media following, and I spent 30 minutes one hour conducting the research for this email. I will most likely not follow up on this. However, I am a curious person, and I would love to know more! Is there a photo of the handwritten lyrics by chance, any evidence available digitally? I can’t imagine how amazing that discovery was during that particular period of time. I imagine you crave experiencing that excitement every time you comb through the archives!
I can’t wait to read American Radical; I love Woody! As a leftist punk rocker upset with the status quo this is right up my alley.
I hope you have a wonderful day!
V/r,
Ron Lee 57.140.28.45 ( talk) 18:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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