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I've only notified you at the moment because I trust your opinion, if you want to notify anyone else, feel free,
IRWolfie- (
talk) 12:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Cheers for the comment. Unfortunately he appears to have decided to retire; although I think that sort of spot decision is something someone does in the heat of the moment before reversing,
IRWolfie- (
talk) 15:29, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
His message
[2] is a little troubling as it appears he thinks we (the rest of the community) are the problem,
IRWolfie- (
talk) 01:40, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry
about that, I was browsing my watchlist on my phone and miss-clicked "rollback" apparently. grr, damn phone! — -
dainomite 18:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Just curious but is there any way to see my watchlist if I made a separate account for viewing WP from my phone? — -
dainomite 18:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
(
talk page stalker) Other than copy and pasting
your raw watchlist to your alt account, not that I know of. Transcluding watchlists would be nice, but rather impractical. I use the raw watchlist solution for my alt account.
Vacation9 19:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The template route is one way to handle it; I took a different route and simply redirected
User:Puppy to
User:KillerChihuahua. Then there is
User:Bishzilla, a full fledged (and scaled and flamebreathing) alt account with an active talk page etc. I couldn't keep up with that, myself.
KillerChihuahua 22:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Yep yep, I did.
On my alt account I wrote that it's my alt and why I made the account and on my Userpage I added the userbox "This user has an alternative account named Dainophone." Is there anything else I should do?— -
dainomite 22:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Nope, just pay attention and don't accidentally !vote with both accounts on the same discussion.
KillerChihuahua 22:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Roger dodger. Thanks for the help everyone.— -
dainomite 22:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
@Dainomite: You do have two other options: You can remove the rollback link from your watchlist (instructions
here) or you can monitor your watchlist using an RSS feed (instructions
here). ~
Adjwilley (
talk) 00:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I did not know about the RSS feed option, wow.
KillerChihuahua 00:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I remembered reading about it some time ago, but I had to use Google to find it again. I've never tried it, as I hardly even know what a RSS feed is or how to use one. I think blog people use them? :-) ~
Adjwilley (
talk) 00:35, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
I have RSS feeds for my favorite blogs, but didn't know you could add a feed for a Wikipedia Watchlist.
KillerChihuahua 01:20, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
And now I find that Google Reader is going to be discontinued. What. The. Heck. How could they do that to me? Does anyone have an app they'd recommend as a replacement?
KillerChihuahua 10:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Your close of a developing discussion at an Rfa talk page
May I register my dismay at your close of the discussion started by Collect at the Binksternet Rfa talk page? Yes, Collect had exploded, but a number of interesting points have been raised by Viriditas, which gives the impression, rightly or wrongly, that you wish to stifle discussion and save Collect from further meltdown. Coming from an admin, this creates a chilling effect, and to me that is inappropriate. An Rfa must be regarded as an area where freedom to speak should take precedence, and your action runs counter to that, in my view.
Jusdafax 17:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough, and I thank you for the reply. I will just add that in my view, the discussion, though heated, seemed on the verge of some interesting information, and moving it to a new venue disrupts the existing flow... so it goes. Thanks again.
Jusdafax 01:02, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Hersfold did more - he gave up his tools. You should pay more attention to Drmies's talk page, where your name is plastered before every edit. :-) It is depressing, isn't it? Hope your real-life work is going well.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 12:13, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I guess I should have mentioned something to you sooner Dennis but I was hoping you already knew and didn't want to mention anything that would just dredge things up again but...yeah freaking depressing.--
Amadscientist (
talk) 01:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
ANI
While not fully up to speed, I am not convinced that blocking Durneydiaz is the right approach. I posted at ANI, and would like your input, as I propose an unblock, followed by a stern waning, I am willing to write.--
SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I will do that.--
SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Still open ANI
Hi Dennis, you were addressing
an ANI regarding Till but it was left unresolved.
User:Till has continued to edit despite a note from
Status suggesting that Till had decided to leave Wikipedia. Do you have any final thoughts on how it should be closed as Till hadn't responded as to whether your advice would be an agreeable closure of the issue? Thanks,
Mkdwtalk 23:28, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not getting anywhere on
the talk page - a load of very hostile responses. I've half-typed a few replies but cancelled them as I'm sure someone will shoot them down. I'm feeling very disillusioned about Wikipedia, collegiality, etc and inclined to just abandon stub-sorting or even quit the encyclopedia.
I'm just asking someone to do things one of two ways, which are equally easy for him: the one which saves other editors time, or the way he chooses to do it. He won't explain, won't reply, and everyone else seems to side with him. (And that edit message of his depresses me every time I see it, as just a lousy hostile environment in which to try to communicate - in-joke for the film project it may be, but it's just b...y rude for everyone else.)
PamD 23:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I saw that you re-blocked
Belchfire (
talk·contribs) for 3 months after his most recent round of block-evading sockpuppetry. Is there any reason that this editor has not yet been indefinitely blocked? He's been a long-term ideological edit-warrior who racked up 5 blocks for politically motivated edit-warring even before the sockpuppetry kicked in. Now he's repeatedly evading his block. I've seriously considered simply extending the block to indefinite myself - which I think would be more than justified - but I've had enough editorial interaction with Belchfire that I'd rather run it by an outside admin like yourself. At his best, this editor was a highly combative, ideologically driven edit-warrior, and now he's also a block-evading sockpuppeteer. I'm putting in a plea, on behalf of people who might actually have to deal with him editorially in the future, to close the door on an editor who is obviously a poor fit with this site's goals and policies. MastCellTalk 22:28, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
May I suggest taking this to the community, perhaps at ANI? Like MastCell, I feel that Belchfire has worn out his welcome at Wikipedia, and the multiple socking is the last straw. I'd be surprised if there wasn't support for a community ban, which should be the proposal. This is one bad cookie.
Jusdafax 00:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
I totally agree, which is why I came here rather than
WP:AN. Thanks for your response; I think I'll just let it go for now. MastCellTalk 03:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Interesting! I didn't know about that use for long-wave UV. The dermatology standard was broadband UVB (around 290-320nm) for many years -- then in the early '80s we switched to
PUVA, which uses UVA in the 350-400 neighborhood. When that turned out to be more carcinogenic than predicted, we went to narrowband UVB (311-312nm), and that's where we remain at present. Sorry about the 1600 measurements -- that's the kind of stuff that persuaded me to abandon bench research for the real world.
DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/
talk to me! 21:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
you docs take a bath on the prices you have to pay for essentially the same thing -- tell me about it!
DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/
talk to me! 00:29, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Quick question at ANI
It's probably easy to overlook so I wanted to let a message here about it, but I just left a quick question for you at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#insults, since you're comment kind of confused me in regards to the edit summary given. Maybe it's just me misreading it or something, so I just wanted to ask. Thanks. -
SudoGhost 04:50, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
How busy you going to be today (or perhaps tomorrow)? I'd be interested in your input/perspective on something; IP and WER related, but I also know your time here is limited. It's not an "open issue", so if you've got other things to look at, then that's fine too. Cheers. — Ched :
? 11:38, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
For your extended efforts, and breaking yon Gluteus maximus (your backside, behind, butt, rear-end - OK "Busting Ass") to maintain the drama levels of Wikipedia,
Ched would like to award you (Dennis Brown) the Broken Tuchus Barnstar.
I saw you already had that Admin. Barnstar thing, and I see what ya do at AN, AN/I, etc. and wanted to note that. — Ched :
? 16:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your assistance with
User:Deven94 yesterday, it is appreciated that WP admins are able to assist when needed.
As you probably know, I created my account over a year ago at home, although I sometimes (as I am right now) log in at college to browse and sometimes edit - or if needed, revert vandalism by Deven94.
Am I correct in believing that I am free to revert vandalism and/or my own edits without falling foul of 3RR?
Anyway, thanks for reminding Deven94 about conduct on WP. I'll try to keep an eye on him when I can and I'll re-report at ANI if I notice any further unconstructive editing from his account.
By the way, I noticed that he was 'playing about' with my user and talk page yesterday after I notified him of the ANI report, though he doesn't appear to have made any changes is there any way you can prevent him from editing my userspace whilst still allowing other users (and myself) to contribute to my talk page and user page?
I read about 3RR some time ago, but I have reason to believe that it's time for me to reread them.
Usual people in life (
talk) 12:06, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
High Rock Lake
Hello there. I have been thinking about trying to improve
High Rock Lake to GA status. If you don't mind, would you be willing to join forces and give some helpful tips on how to improve it? Thanks,
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 21:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, there is a lot of room for improvement on the article. I can understand why you're busy at the moment. Thanks for the timely response. Best wishes,
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 22:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do, mate. Finding information the lake's history (even before the Alcoa issues) on the Internet can be complicating, though.
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 03:58, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Yep. I am also a member of the
guild of copy-editors, so I can help do some copyediting some prose as well, so I hope my copyediting can come in handy. My main purpose of Wikipedia is, and will always be, to create, expand, and improve articles to the highest degree possible. ;-) Speaking of which, I'm working on a few other articles so we can feature them as TFAs on the Main Page to celebrate a few anniversaries of a couple of film releases as the births/deaths of famous classical composers too.
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 05:26, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, man. Having been an editor for over six years, nearly 50,000 edits, as well as worked on at least 12 good articles, 11 featured articles and created 25 articles, I am an expert when it comes to GAs and FAs. But I agree the HRL topic sounds good enough for a project.
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 23:44, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Interesting article in Salon today:
Will Wikipedia replace the academic thesis? Posits that that students would be better served writing their own WP content, rather than slaving over papers and dissertations that no one will read. Possibly useful in the WER campaign? Just a thought...
DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/
talk to me! 13:22, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey Dennis, I ran across something strange today, but I don't know the board to post it on, and I don't want to be "that guy." You seem like a nice helpful fellow...could you take a moment to look at
Channel 4 programming. I am getting these weird red outlines around any uncited information (it's always followed by a "citation needed" tag. The code is {{cn-span|text=}}so this is what it looks like on the page. Is this something new we're doing that I didn't hear about? I don't actually think it is a bad idea to signal (single?) out uncited info, but this is weird.citation needed Thanks!
Ditch ∝ 19:35, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Nevermind. I found an explanation at
Template:Citation needed. I suppose I'll take this opportunity to learn more about templates and how they work; a knowledge that is lacking from my wiki-folio. Sorry to bother.
Ditch ∝ 20:52, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Dennis Brown/Archive 20, here are some delicious cookies to help brighten your day! However, there are too many cookies here for one person to eat all at once, so please share these cookies with at least two other editors by copying {{
subst:Sharethecookies}} to their talk pages. Enjoy! AutomaticStrikeout (
T •
C •
AAPT) 15:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, I've got several things I'm working on right now. I wrote one
essay and I'm thinking of doing a related one. I've also got another essay under construction and another
project that I started is facing deletion. Last night, I started up this "sharethecookies" thing, which I hope will grow into something that reaches a lot of editors. So, I don't if things are going well, but they are interesting anyway. AutomaticStrikeout (
T •
C •
AAPT) 17:38, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
A belated compliment
Dennis, I stopped paying attention to the ANI on
Kwamikagami and Lake Michigan-Huron just before you got involved; but I happened to go back to it and noticed someone gave you flak for closing against consensus. I'd just like to tell you that you handled that dispute really well. Since then, the editors involved have worked well together and
Lake Michigan–Huron is now a B-class article.
RockMagnetist (
talk) 17:58, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Since you blocked Rollo's last sock,
User:DreamMcQueen, I thought you'd want to be aware of
this current SPI, possibly involving Rollo. I am notifying you as the SPI clerk is asking for admin assistance. -
Neutralhomer •
Talk • 21:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello, Dennis, I noticed that you're on Wikibreak and I apologize for bothering you, but I have a personal request which you may help me with... I am leaving Wikipedia and would really like my account to be either blocked (permanently - I have no intention returning again for multiple reasons, mostly because of being tired of people greatly abusing
WP:SOURCE instead of spending 5 minutes themselves to find and add in all of the necessary references to an article, partially because of personal physical health issue) or fully protected (at least the user page and the "Talk" page). Since I will be leaving, I will not be able to "clean it up" from harassment/vandalism such as
this and
this or whatever other vandalism there might be, so some kind of permanent block/protection would be really appreciated... I've submitted the request to
WP:RFP but I doubt that anything useful will come from it :-/
Rndomuser (
talk) 00:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
I'd rather not engage into long discussions (even if they are completely private) right now... If you're unwilling to put a permanent account block - could you at least apply a full page protection to the "Talk" and User pages? That would be also fine, at least until I might have time to e-mail you in some time in future.
Rndomuser (
talk) 00:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeap, that's why I contacted Dennis ;-) And "full block" request was not because I can't prevent myself from returning to Wiki (I actually can... unlike one of the poor souls who have recently attempted to do so by scrambling the password ;-))... In any case, full protection or not - thanks for your efforts! Also, I've sent you an e-mail, Dennis - it's not really about a "block request" (you shouldn't treat it as such) but more of a general explanation for my reasons. If you have time - you should probably read it ;-)
Rndomuser (
talk) 02:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, well I feel kinda silly. I had never read the list, I just knew it existed. @Rndomuser, I also watchlisted your talk page when I commented here yesterday. Good luck, in whatever future endeavors you decide to pursue. ~
Adjwilley (
talk) 17:17, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you.
Rndomuser (
talk) 23:56, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
crap
Dennis. Try not to drink too much . And always remember to have a ```
Buster Seven Talk 21:47, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
RfC/U
Having been involved in a
recent RFC/U on Niemti regarding his behavior which you probably might not be aware of, I have a question regarding RFC/Us in general if they are closed. While I sincerely apologize for providing inconclusive evidence if I did so in the past or present and note that I have always moved on from previous disputes, I can understand that anyone can find other ways involving a dispute between a user over their conduct is not resolved after an RFC/U closes, but what do you think would be the next step if an RFC/U closes in general? Thanks,
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 00:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I remember the unban discussion here
[4] where Ched was very, very bold in unblocking him. I opposed that unblock on purely technical grounds, although I supported the idea of finding a way to allow him back to try to contribute properly. He was technically socking when we unblocked him. Really, it was an improper unblock as far as the strict letter of policy is concerned (sorry Ched) but Ched has earned enough respect that the community let it slide via
WP:IAR, essentially. I've done similar (see the discussion about Kwami above on this very page), so I understand the risk and the reasons he did what he did. Ched and I are similar in that respect, willing to extend a little more rope than average if a user has the potential to make a positive difference. In this case, I really don't know how I feel, I would have to explore deeper, although considering his recent blocks and very ugly past, I can see why others may think he has reached the end of his rope.
Realistically, if his behavior is problematic (and I haven't looked close enough to have an opinion) then a ban would be in order. Since Ched made the unblock but didn't participate in the RFC/U, I would recommend getting him in the loop. If a ban is needed, I think it would be stronger if it came from the admin that unblocked him to begin with. If it does go to WP:AN or WP:Arb, I would request (but not require) you notify me as I've been previously involved. That doesn't mean I will support a ban, but at that time I will take a long, hard look at the situation and participate in an honest way.
User:JamesBWatson made the first block on this new account for socking, and I would recommend getting him in the loop. If you haven't crossed paths with him, he is truly a great guy, firm but fair, and easily make my top 10 admin list. He is out of pocket for a couple more days.
I completely understand the situation quite clearly now, and thanks. Also, just to clarify, being a constructive editor is not an excuse for uncivil behavior. And yes, I have known JamesBWatson very well, so I will notify him in this case, as well as other users who were previously involved in dealing with Niemti about the RFC/U. As for HRL, I've started a discussion on the
talk page.
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 01:02, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
(
talk page stalker) Just curious - what does "out of pocket" mean to an American? To a Brit it means "has spent some money" --
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 01:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
By out of pocket, it means that the user is out for a couple of days, lad.
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 01:31, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, I don't think that's entirely widespread. Where I come from it tends to mean an individual purchasing something that they could have reasonably expected someone else to pay for (i.e. a teacher needs books, but the school won't provide them, so the teacher purchases them out of pocket). Sometimes the item might still be reimbursed (i.e. my dad needed softballs for the tournament so he purchased them out of pocket and sent the bill to the school).
RyanVesey 01:55, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Yep, that's pretty much what it means here in the UK - someone has been hit by unexpected or unfair expenses. --
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 02:05, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
My dad and grandfather tend to make up a lot of their own expressions, so I'll go around using them in the understanding that it is a regular phrase. Then I'll use it in the real world and people look at me like I'm crazy. A similar thing happens because of my little brother and sister. A number of years back, they watched
Finding Nemo every day, but they always called it "Fish", so in my house we tended to refer to it as fish. A couple of times I'd end up referring to it as fish outside of the house.
RyanVesey 15:59, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
In Texas, every expression has a slightly different meaning. I did a residency for 3 years in Houston about 100 years ago, and had to relearn English when I left!
DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/
talk to me! 19:41, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Aha, so this ain't your first rodeo; obviously you ex-caped without gettin' broke too bad. I do miss the kickers every now and again...but I'll never forget the look on the waitress's face when my wife (unaware as yet that Coke and sweet tea were her only drink options) ordered cranberry juice in a restaurant. I'm sure you can guess the response: "Hun, you ain't from around here, are you?"
DoctorJoeEreview transgressions/
talk to me! 14:05, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
SPI closed only to admins?
Hi Dennis - I had a SPI case, but the SPI board only says Admins can make ones - is this correct?
Patriot1010 (
talk) 16:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That is incorrect. Where does it say that? I will fix it. --
(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 16:49, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
I noticed you protected the articles which had been disrupted by an IP sock. Could you protect
Hunnic Empire which is being disrupted by the same sock? Thanks. --
Kansas Bear (
talk) 04:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you sir. --
Kansas Bear (
talk) 16:32, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
Socks and ANI
Okay, so you've closed it, and everyone seems happy apart from the fact that I'm still under suspicion of running socks, no retraction of the claim has been made, nor any apology. It may be a satisfactory result for the instigator of all this, but it's not for me. I want this to be fixed one way or another, if that's (a) retracting the statements and apologising or (b) running a checkuser and publishing the results to all concerned, either way I don't mind. But I don't want this matter closed as it stands. Right now the instigator has made unfounded accusation without evidence and left it hanging.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 21:24, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok. I'd like to keep this all on-wiki, part of various lengthy accusations implied certain off-wiki collaborations (as well as the sock puppetry), none of which is true, so I'd prefer to keep it visible to all. Thanks again.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 21:49, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Quick question : Did you intend to full-protect this article indefinitely?
Honestly, I don't have any burning desire to edit the article, but it seems like an overkill to me, so I thought I'd bring it up in case it was an accident.
APL (
talk) 15:06, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
When you have time/are back, I was wondering if you would consider adopting me. I'm not the typical adoptee, as I have a few months' experience fighting vandalism and performing other maintenance tasks, however I feel I would benefit from reinforcing the policies and dealing with special situations. To be honest, I'm feeling a bit down after my failed RfA and feel a bit more practice and help from an experienced admin like you, who expressed trust in me, would help me get going again. If/when you have the time, please consider adopting me, or let me know if you know anybody else who would be able to help me. Many thanks,
Vacation9 13:01, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
I completely understand. To be honest, I'm bored of routine tasks around here, so I thought introduction to some more advanced areas would help with that, and help me get active again. Thank you for writing this, and I'll certainly take this to heart.
Vacation9 21:38, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
The English Wikipedia admin flag is one of the hardest flags to get on any Wikimedia site. If you're looking for new things to try, other Wikimedia projects might be something of interest, and I'm sure there's areas of this very large site that you haven't put time into - I know there's a lot that I've never done here.
--Rschen7754 22:44, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you make
personal attacks on other people, as you did at
User talk:Drmies, you may be burned at the stake without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. It's hard to imagine a greater insult than wishing an
Old Milwaukee on a fellow editor. Except maybe
Bud Lite.NE Ent 12:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Dennis: Could you please take a look at the recent history of editing on this article, as well as the "Predictions" section on the talk page? Ding me for edit warring if you must, but I'm only trying to keep heavily fringe material out of the article. Thanks.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 14:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I'm not asking you to take sides in a content dispute, but to comment on the application of policies and guidelines such as BRD, FRINGE, RS and VANDALISM and, of course, EW.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 14:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
Had I known Collect was behind your request I may have declined. He has been sniffing my excrement for 4 years or more. I don't bother myself with him unless he shows up where I am working. Then I have to consider what is more important: dealing with Collect's dribble or continuing to talk and work with other editors. I detest him so much I usually just leave and go do something else in WikiLand. ```
Buster Seven Talk 07:06, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Wow -- B7 does seem to be a quite good stalker, I guess. Dennis - I avoid B7 like the plague as a rule, and he seems not to follow the same rule. The fact is that R-41 is a staunch socialist who has been literally wiki-hounded a bunch of times now, and I suspect anyone who faced some of the posts he has faced would also quite lose temper - I find R-41 to be sincerely interested in improving articles, and is not one who goes around posting how nasty any editor is. My overlap with B7 is de minimis (12 articles total ever, or under 1/2 of 1% of articles I editted). Thanks for noting the odd post which I found to be beyond the pale.
Collect (
talk) 13:02, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
For the record, I am a friendly stalker of Dennis' page. Have been for quite some time. It would be impossible for me to be a friendly stalker at Collect's page...or to care anything about what he does. This litte episode comes down to Collect "snitching" on me. Why he chooses to snitch at your page, Dennis, rather than one of his Administrator cronies, might be ample evidence of who stalks who. I only deal w/ certain editors when nip at my heals. Usually a sharp kick will keep them away for months. ```
Buster Seven Talk 20:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Exhaustively overhauled; nothing left on the page except what's sourced to books and other publications where I personally verified and saw context. Took out a few of those, too, where seemingly unimportant or adding nothing to the whole. Won't satisfy everyone, as if anything ever does. Please review and opine on whether this fixes what was complained of. Please also merge in edit history of
Talk:Pandeism/Pandeism- as you've been involved enough to see that lion's share of the whole history of my work on this page was done there, and merging in won't confuse overall edit history, but will preserve the record of my work, and make clear what cuts and trims were made, step by step. Thank you.
LCS check (
talk) 00:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Merge was performed. Thanks for your kind review.
LCS check (
talk) 18:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Screw up
Hi Dennis (or passing lurker with admin bit), I screwed up a page move and wonder if you might consider cleaning up after me? I intended to move
A Narrative of the Captivity and Restoration of Mrs. Mary Rowlandson (1682) to
A Narrative of the Captivity and Restoration of Mrs. Mary Rowlandson but found it was a redirect page (to the author). Without thinking ahead, I replaced the redirect with the text from the original and then made the original a redirect (to new title) instead. Of course, too late I realised that the page history from the original is now not recorded on the new article. Is there a way to fix? Thanks in advance and sorry for adding to the workload.
Keri (
talk) 12:15, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Question - was your !vote on the last section in the WP:AN discussion on Neitmi sanctions an "Oppose" to both an interaction ban and civility parole, or just civility parole? I'm trying to close as accurately as possible.
Hi Dennis, I don't know if
this is actually something you need to pay attention to, but since you were the blocking admin, and it's been so long that I doubt the talk page is still on your watchlist, I figured I should let you know that he's flirting in his way with the idea of trying to come back. davidiad{ t } 22:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
In general, I think editors should feel free to use their talk pages at times to blow off steam, whether that results in silliness or saying stuff that would be inappropriate or uncivil on any other page. But dumping toxins into the environment (as in, attacking editors by name) is another matter. I'm not sure Wikipedia needs to provide a platform for
|this.
Cynwolfe (
talk) 11:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I doubt many people watch his page. In another instance, a disgruntled former editor left a criticism of Wikipedia editors in general on his user page; users have deleted it a couple of times, but I reverted because I feel he should have his say. He doesn't attack individuals in describing his bad experiences, and he isn't just posturing as some kind of martyr. It's authentic indignation. Since this editor, however, is all about self-dramatization and getting attention, you're no doubt right that ignoring it is best.
Cynwolfe (
talk) 15:30, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure it'll be no surprise to you to learn that I don't believe in the idea of God, any more than I do AGF. Both require you to shut down your brain before proceeding.
MalleusFatuorum 20:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I disagree on both those points, but that's just IMO. — Ched :
? 20:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I describe myself as an antitheist, but I'm no evangelist for logical positivism. I leave evangelism to the American kids who periodically knock on the door asking if I believe in Christ. My wife's usual put down, if they're unlikely enough to find her answering the door, goes something like "When you've been civilised for as long as we have, come back and ask me again". I can understand why early humans developed the idea of a god, but in these days of self-assembling molecules the idea seems faintly absurd to me.
MalleusFatuorum 21:11, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I just don't see the need for a god. To me, "god" is synonymous with "something I don't understand". And of course from a socio-political viewpoint it's very convenient to promote a world view that encourages sacrifice in this life with the promise of rewards in the next. Should there actually be a next of course. I sometimes wonder where all those virgins who are supposed to welcome Islamic martyrs are coming from, and whether female martyrs are offered the same deal.
MalleusFatuorum 22:21, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
I see that Orlady has fixed the userpage. And thank you for the clarification. SPI something I know very little about, so I figured a notice would do the trick.
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talk) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
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Northamerica1000(talk) 17:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
April 2013
I'm writing to you in regards to my warnings to
Drmies in regards to
Binsar Wildlife Sanctuary. The thing is, all of the other sources on the page are a site that look like this (right):
How is that not spam? How is that okay and a non-commercialized website not? Please explain. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
MNdude11 (
talk •
contribs) 21:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
I haven't looked at all the sources, but from experience (internet marketing is what I do) when you see a website like that, it means the original website died, and someone is now squatting on the domain name. Archive.com is a good way to find the old material (and why we have accessdate info on sources). Also note, the fact that another article is screwed up isn't a reason to not fix sources in that one. The simple fact is, there are many more people adding bad stuff to Wikipedia than there are trying to fix it.
WP:OTHERSTUFF covers that.
Most importantly is throwing a warning on Drmies page because you were pissed off at him. This is just silly. He hadn't even edited that article. You did it to prove a point, but honestly, it only made you look petty. I don't say that to be mean, it isn't my nature to try to hurt someone's feelings, but it is the truth. In the end, you were basically ignored, and nothing of value came of the exchange.
We have some exceptional authors at Wikipedia, truly world class, and Drmies is one of them. He makes mistakes, but they are rare and he is the first to admit when he makes a mistake, and the first to explain to someone if they simply politely ask. Even if you don't agree, you will learn something if you allow yourself.
You are new here, and if you want to be here a long time, you need to stop taking things personally, doing tit for tat warnings on experienced users talk pages, and don't just look at Wikipedia as a way to teach the world what you know, but as a way to learn yourself.
Hello Denis, I know you are cuurently busy, but could I please ask you to look at the edits to the above article and in particular to
Brandywines Talk page? I have tried to help and to be constructive, but appear to be getting abuse. Would be glad of your opinion/action. Many thanks, David,
David J Johnson (
talk) 23:35, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
Dennis, Many thanks for your help and advice. Best regards, David,
David J Johnson (
talk) 08:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
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Congratulations
Hi Dennis Brown! You're nomination, Anna, for the Editor of The Week has just been awarded. Congratulations!
The Wikimon (
talk) 13:01, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
I saw what happened in the Khwarazmian dynasty article, but may i ask when it's going to be unprotected again so other people can edit it?--
HistoryofIran (
talk) 12:56, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Dennis. Not sure if we've formally met, but I certainly know your name around town. Nice to finally have this opportunity. I've been looking at your
User:Dennis Brown/RfA page and would like to submit my name forward as someone who would like you to review. I have read through you recommendations of criteria an editor should meet prior to requesting and I do fall short of your 200 edits per month in 12 of the 18 previous months. That said, I am hopeful that you still consider my request. I am available for any preliminary questions you would like to ask me before making a decision. If you are busy or would like to decline, I fully understand. Thanks for your time,
Mkdwtalk 06:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Right now, I'm kind of pulling back from admin reviews as my time is short (even today, Saturday, I'm working all day) and they require a great deal of time to do properly. I don't want to do a half way job, so I would have to decline right now. Sorry.
No problem Dennis. Thanks for considering it.
Mkdwtalk 04:26, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
More to Revdel
The silk road has many embedded links to the URL in its history. A lot, even spaced so as to not catch the filter. As this one shows.
[8] Including other fake and false ones as seen here.
[9] It probably isn't recommended, but is it possible to REVDEL them all or the entire thing?
ChrisGualtieri (
talk) 02:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Came here to pass along similar congratulations, but Chase me... has already said it better. Thanks, Dennis. --
j⚛e deckertalk 00:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Seconded, or thirded or something. Anyway, nice work keeping everything on track under some pretty awful circumstances.
Stalwart111 04:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
As is usual, the wikipedia talk page is a wonderful source for an ever-changing snapshot of an on-going event. Your monitoring of the many conversations and editors is a credit to the Administrative Corps. Preventing threads from drifting off into the cornfields is not an easy task. Your (as well as other editors) leadership is commendable. ```
Buster Seven Talk 05:11, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Speedy deletion of a company page
Hello,
Our company's page, Passat Ltd., has been deleted and we would like to revert this decision, if possible.
I believe that our company is notable. For instance, the laser that we made has been sent to Mars and used to discover water there (Phoenix Martian Mission:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_(spacecraft)#Robotic_arm_and_camera). We will also participate in OSIRIS mission:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSIRIS-REx.
We are a small company and there might not be enough references about us online but we could provide some offline references as well.
Please let us know what is required in order to get our page reinstated?
Thank you,
Vladimir Yavelsky
116D Viceroy Rd. Unit 1-4
Concord, Ontario L4K 2M4, Canada
tel: 905-695-1088
fax: 888-635-0657
email: [email protected]— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Passatltd (
talk •
contribs) 21:07, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
(
talk page stalker)I'm going to provide different advice. I suggest you just leave it alone and let it remain deleted. If you paid an editor to write the article, ask for a refund. As a PR person, it bothers me when editors string someone like you along by implying that there is any way to create an article about an organization that does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. If you follow Brown's advice above by creating a new account and going through AfC, you will invest many hours just to be rejected over and over, because Wikipedia just doesn't want an article on this topic, which is not famous enough. Just leave it - it's a waste of everybody's time and providing advice to someone to keep trying when it's doomed to fail is just bad advice.
Hopefully I'm not being a jerk Brown, but just saying ;-)
CorporateM (
Talk) 14:17, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
It is now early morning US time and the comment rate seems to be slowing somewhat. I've tried to keep up with the pace by archiving manually through the evening/night (the advantage of being on
Australian time). I've tried to keep the page to around 50 threads, max. This has meant archiving a couple of threads that were mostly (but perhaps not entirely) resolved. But the alternate was to accumulate threads (there are 76 between the talk page and Archive 1 and counting) which would have been impossible to navigate, especially for mobile users. I've also closed/archived some threads to which I contributed - your stalkers should feel free to trout away if they are concerned but I saw no other option. Anyway, thought I'd note all that here for transparency/clarity and for the sake of some admin oversight.
Stalwart111 07:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, fair enough. I tried hard not to archive anything that anyone had contributed to within the previous couple of hours at least. Hopefully the bot can cope with the pace from now on. And yeah, I was surprised by the relative lack of vandalism/disruption - I thought there would be more. Anyway, thanks for you help and advice.
Stalwart111 11:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
No, not at all. And given what has happened, I wouldn't expect my US colleagues to be all sunshine and rainbows anyway. Will be tough to find a balance even in 6 months, I imagine. Anyway, enjoy that coffee and keep up the good work!
Stalwart111 12:47, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure that's true - the whole area was full of high-vis and uniforms. Some media reports talked about surgery/triage at the scene. I'm sure it saved lives.
Stalwart111 13:08, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure on-the scene meds did their best but they were only prepared for spains/exhaustion/running related etc. ```
Buster Seven Talk 16:02, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Dennis. I've been working on an essay
How WP:COI would read if I wrote it. It's intended to stay in user-space permanently, being that we have way too many forks already and I've lost any hope at improving WP:COI, but I figured I needed something more useful to link people to than anything that exists. If you have time, I would love any input you may have.
CorporateM (
Talk) 14:32, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on the
Boston Marathon bombings article. It's getting a ton of hits, and I'm glad that diligent editors are there to answer questions and maintain quality. –
Quadell(
talk) 17:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi Dennis. I know you said you were busy with work so I hope this doesn't find you at a bad time. :) I wanted to notify you that I continued the discussion on an AN/I that you were involved in.
[10] Thanks for your assistance!
Justiciero1811 (
talk) 21:12, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia is hopeless at handling that sort of situation, and anyone who tries to intervene ends up being threatened with a 3RR report. You just have to wait until the whole thing fizzles out and then fix what you can.
MalleusFatuorum 01:46, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
If we had a Tireless Contributor Teamwork barnstar, I would award that to you, but I am not that technically inclined, so you'll have to settle for one that doesn't spin. In any case, you have been terrific on
Talk:Boston Marathon bombings and I don't know what the rest of us monitoring would do without you. Thank you very much.
GoPhightins! 02:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
That's true regarding new contributors. I hadn't really thought about that, but you would be correct, good sir.
GoPhightins! 02:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, and it took at least a month before the stewards finally did something about it. There were admins deleting their own rights removal requests and blocking the filers with no talk page access. --Rschen7754 04:14, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, there can be one thing in mind for some of those Wikipedias, especially those that have problematic issues: corruption. Not to mention that on an irrelevant note, I have some very bad news:
Dreadstar, a good editor and administrator, has retired over a
certain recent issue involving Will Beback's appeal at BASC and it appears that he was driven off of Wikipedia by an abusive editor who has been involved in the WBB appeal. Very sad news for the project...
Lord Sjones23 (
talk -
contributions) 04:29, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion
Hey, Dennis, if you're around, can you look into re-protecting this page for a while? We're getting an IP-hopper inserting utterly unsourced claims about North Korea being behind it (yet disguised with a citation to an article that doesn't even mention North Korea), as well as some other things. Drmies and I both feel too involved at this point (we've been editing the article in an editorial capacity over an issue about one of the victims' name), so if you're still uninvolved yourself, take a look. If not, though, or if you're not around, no biggie: I'll just make a request at RFPP.
Writ Keeper⚇♔ 15:32, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Drmies made a post on ANI asking for general assistance, so I think that will suffice. That wheel-warring thing's a bear, ain't it? :/
Writ Keeper⚇♔ 15:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
(
talk page stalker) I've just given it a 12-hour semi, without knowing there was any possible dispute over protection - so I don't think that can be regarded as wheel-warring. --
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 15:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC) (I'll go leave a message for Zzuuzz too --
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 15:57, 17 April 2013 (UTC))
Ridiculous. There has been very little vandalism since the page was unprotected. Now, as soon as one vandal does pop up, you want to protect the page for two weeks. You're admins, for goodness' sake. Spend half an hour blocking the ip 'till he goes away and keep the article open for all to edit. That's what you're supposed to do.
80.174.78.102 (
talk) 16:11, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Regarding the
Boston Marathon bombings article, is there a good reason not to include a particularly graphic image. One in particular has been cited numerous times in wp:rs as "iconic", and other sources mention the Associated Press in critical commentary for their editorial decision to publish the image.
My76Strat (
talk) 12:02, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing that insight. I tend to agree with your counsel in whole. There's no discussion because I wanted your opinion first. Most sources cropped the image in this fashion
[12] The un-cropped version is rather dramatic
[13] Because it is mentioned, and described in numerous sources, I think a valid fair use rationale is possible. I am considering starting a discussion but am still meditating on the pros and cons myself. Thanks for your help.
My76Strat (
talk) 13:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Did I really oppose you at RfA?
[14] You're obviously much more forgiving than I am. I have a list of all those who opposed me, and I never miss an opportunity to get my own back on every single one of the bastards.
MalleusFatuorum 17:55, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
If I didn't read certain talk pages once in a while, I'd never know anything. You ran for admin twice. At least you've curbed your masochistic tendencies in the last five years. I got a kick out of reading your pithy responses to some of the opposes in your second RfA.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 18:16, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I was naive enough in those days to believe that RfA was an offer to help. It was only later I came to understand that it was really just a ritualised hazing, the equivalent of standing in the stocks for a week having everyone chuck rotting fruit at you.
MalleusFatuorum 18:47, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
You certainly did oppose, friend :-)
[15]. It was an ugly RfA, but not by your doing. A large part of the reason that I went out of my way to complete
this task in a way that obviously in good faith was because of your !vote: "It's ridiculous to promote someone on the basis of an unenforceable promise to stay away from one area or another for some vague period of time." In your case, the vote was serious, non-personal, and a valid concern. I took the CSD mentoring serious, not to prove you wrong, but to prove to the community that I took their concerns seriously. You just got to set the bar.
I also opposed, I think over concerns with CSD tagging. I've often regretted that since, as I think you're generally a great admin. Maybe sometimes we set our sights too high in RfA but so much of it is about trust. I'm sorry anyway. I trust you now and I was in retrospect wrong to oppose you. --
John (
talk) 19:57, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
Time goes much faster once you're past 50 ;-) --
Boing! said Zebedee (
talk) 20:07, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I can't wait. It seems to be an accelerating process. --
John (
talk) 20:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
quick question regarding BLP1E
Heya Dennis, quick question for you. I saw your comment on
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamerlan Tsarnaev and Dzhokar Tsarnaev and I was just wondering how
WP:BLP1E works when BLP1E also says "It is not the case that the event is significant and the individual's role within it is substantial and well-documented – as in the case of
John Hinckley, Jr., who
shot President Ronald Reagan in 1981." It seems like BLP1E could be contraticting itself, or maybe I'm just interpreting this wrong
Anywho, thanks for your help good sir! — -
dainomite 18:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)