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you for doing the redirect from the misspelling. I copied the edit tags from the incorrect article and sorted the stub. -- Rpyle731 talk 20:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
You reverted two edits by Thesmatestguy that readded vandalism that Thesmatestguy removed with Huggle. Be careful. NerdyScienceDude :) ( ✉ click to talk • my edits • sign) 01:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Done
This request seems to already exist at Team Bath Futsal Club, but you declined it for verifiability. Just wondering. avs5221 ( talk) 01:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz, I saw your note about the bathtub manufacturer's site not being a reliable source. I have been looking for a third-party source about this style of tub, but I can't find one that isn't a commercial site selling the tubs; it seems to be a relatively new design. Most of the third-party articles are specifically about walk-in tubes. However, in using the source, I was following Wikipedia's reliable source guidelines regarding [Wikipedia:Rs#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves|self-published sources as sources on themselves. The manufacturer of the tub is in fact a reliable source for the information that this type of tub is designed for access from a wheelchair and has a raised bed and a sliding door. It makes more sense to use the manufacturer's site than a third-party seller's site--the only other source I could find for the same information. I'm reverting the removal but deleting the adjective "easy" to try to improve the neutrality of the statement and make sure it "is not unduly self-serving." Will that do for you? I know the article needs more information and sources. It's awfully difficult to find good sources about accessible tubs that aren't from the manufacturers themselves--and the AARP article is terribly vague and lacks pictures. Want to help?-- Margareta ( talk) 03:51, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
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Thanks for the welcoming. I've had some experience with editing wikis before, but I only know the basics.
I'll try not to over-link, thanks for the advice. :) KingArmery ( talk)
I appreciate the assist on my talk page just now. I wish to high heaven that these goofy kids would take the time to read the doggoned rules before they post nonsense. In any event, thanks very much. Regards, -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 06:03, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I have nominated Flagged revisions, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flagged revisions. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Kept Chzz ► 18:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC) Done
Hi again! Thanks for taking care of that issue with the squash tournament. What I deleted was only the first two introductory sentences; there were no charts. All better now, but here's hoping the author sees fit to flesh out the text soon. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 16:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I want, first, to thank you for your help today on my Talk Page regarding my User name converting to lower case and not allowing me to log in. I wanted to share the solution with you just in case someone else reports the same problems. I went to Tools, then Options as you suggested (I am using Firefox on Windows XP) and, while looking for the information you suggested I noticed in the security section there was a button labeled "Saved Passwords". I found the saved password for the incorrect User name, deleted it and when I returned to Wiki Log-in all was as it should be and I am no longer being logged off when I leave the site Thank you so very much, could not have found the solution without your help!! OneHappyHusky ( talk) 18:28, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Welcomes should go on talk pages, not user pages. I moved the one you just placed on User:Struvite. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Chzz, I would like to invite you to enter again into discussing Software Top 100 as being a reliable source or not, on my talk page. You once entered into the discussion once before on User_talk:Esoteric_Rogue#softwaretop100.org_is_not_a_reliable_source so I hope you will contribute again. Thanks! -- BalderV ( talk) 12:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Chzz, I've recently created a new seperate page for the french emperors. (
Emperor of France)
And was just checking to see if this is ok many thanks.
Mackay 86 (
talk) 08:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref> He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>
...and then, at the end of the article, you need a section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";
== References == {{reflist}}
PS, I've also sent you another message to your email. Mackay 86 ( talk) 09:14, 9 March 2010 (UTC) Done (by email) Chzz ► 21:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Not sure how much experience you have with this specifically (we've crossed paths on AfC, so I bet you're knowledgeable in WP:BIO), but I was in huggle and saw someone add unsourced info to Barbara Walters (I know, exciting). I reverted it for unsourced info, it was added again, this time by an anon, reverted, added again, and to avoid stepping over my feet into 3RR, I stopped, found the source and refed it myself. Sorry to bother you with it, but I was wondering if you had...suggestions, I guess, for things like this. I see it all the time in huggle (usually more dubious information), but I don't want to cross a line into edit warring (or just biting newcomers). I just wish people would find sources :/ avs5221 ( talk) 10:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
...for the kind userpage revert. – davewho2 ( talk) 04:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
WOW! My favorite editor and one of the best on WP has returned. You were missed. Quite frankly, there are too many editors (including administrators--I could name names) specializing in dogmatism, closemindedness, and bigotry. You are a shining example of their opposite. รัก-ไทย ( talk) 05:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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avs5221 (
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Angelo Keder now live Chzz ► 18:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Done
I've been bold and moved it to article space (after cutting most of it down to what I can verify myself). Hope you don't mind? -- Andreas Philopater ( talk) 12:29, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey there, and thank you for the help! The other moderator said the article qualifies, I just needed to fix the references. Thought I did. But with your help I think I got it right this time. I got rid of all things you told me too. Please take a look and feel free to just delete the references you feel don't meet the standards. Thanks! Phantomcowboy ( talk) 21:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Possibly. Chzz ► 18:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:) Thanks for ending the suspense about your status here, it's great to have you back. fetch comms ☛ 21:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Solid ~ Amory ( u • t • c) 23:26, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Also glad to see you back!!-- Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Good to see you back. :) -- œ ™ 23:55, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Though I've never interacted with you, I also welcome you back! Regardless of whether you "prove" yourself or not, it's always been clear that you're an extremely constructive contributor, and Wikipedia is much better off with your return. Cheers! - M.Nelson ( talk) 04:45, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Welcome back Chzz. — Soap — 13:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
I was already worried you had left for good. It's great to see you back. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Welcome back. It's always good to see a user come out of retirement. -- Patar knight - chat/ contributions 20:56, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Finally. Blurpeace 10:01, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Welcome back Chzz. You have helped me a lot in the past and I am really happy you are back! Rentzepopoulos ( talk) 14:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Glad to have you back. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 02:15, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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You are badly mistaken.
Templates are a basic option for creation at AfC
70.29.210.242 ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
You are badly mistaken.
Templates are a basic option for creation at AfC
70.29.210.242 ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Céad Mile Fáilte Chzz ► 22:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey Chzz, added more info about the photo. It was one I took myself of her for her myspace, model mayhem, website, and other public forums. I openly give permission for wiki to use it. It is not copyrighted. thanks. Phantomcowboy ( talk) 00:18, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks again Chzz. I really do appriciate all the help and hard work! Permission form has been signed, dated, photo attached, and sent. Oh, also, the article itself says it needs a finale review. Could you do that if you have a moment? I'd rather you since you are familar with it than some new moderator. Thanks!
Phantomcowboy ( talk) 07:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Done
I have removed the {{ prod}} tag from NanoZip, which you proposed for deletion, because I think that this article should not be deleted from Wikipedia. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{ prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks!
See the article's talk page for details.
-- Varnav ( talk) 22:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Chzz I have created another article "but" added references this time see German Emperor redirects are German Emperors, Emperor of Germany, & Emperors of Germany. Hope you like it. Mackay 86 ( talk) 00:12, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 06:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz/Archive 19 ! The template workshop is losing interest fast now that there is very little left to argue for or against. I have now split off most of the long threads purely on policy to a new discussion page so that any policy on its implementation can be established while technical development of the template can continue in its own space. When the template functions are finalised, the policy bits can be merged into them. If you intend to continue to contribute your ideas to the development of the template or its policy of use, and I hope you will, please consider either adding your name to the list of workshop members, or joining in with the policy discussions on the new page. -- Kudpung ( talk) 06:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
You are badly mistaken.
Templates are a basic option for creation at AfC
70.29.210.242 ( talk) 03:26, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of Tambouras at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! cmadler ( talk) 23:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 18:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've got a possible troll talking to me at my talk. I'm at school right now, so if you are free could you handle it? I'd appreciate it. If (s)he wants to talk to me, tell him/her that I told you to talk to him/her. Thank you! -- Cubs 197 18:05, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | ||
for being exceedingly nice. It made me smile :) avs5221 ( talk) 23:33, 9 March 2010 (UTC) |
It’s generally frowned upon to edit someone else’s comments; I just edited yours to correct a Wikilink, I can’t imagine it would be a problem, but I thought I’d let you know. (I intended to post the diff, but I can’t find it – I removed an extra square bracket so the wikilink would work here ) SPhilbrick T 13:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Haven't seen your unmistakable signature for a long time. Welcome back!-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 22:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Hey Chzz, Thanks for answering my question so quickly. I have been trying to figure out how to do that for ages! It's cool that some of you out there in wikipedialand will help someone out for nothing in return. Ciao, AJseagull1 ( talk) 07:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, Chzz! I appreciate you. It's very kind of you to go to that page. You are great. Thank you for your kindness. Thank you. Thank you.-- Longitudo ( talk) 21:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 00:03, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
(and 'File permission problem' - template messages merged Chzz ► 21:36, 20 March 2010 (UTC))
IngerAlHaosului ( talk) 13:08, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
-- IngerAlHaosului ( talk) 09:39, 21 March 2010 (UTC)It did not say 'From flickr' - it said, ""Verfolgter Jude" (literally: Hunted Jew), 1992, aluminium cast by Tisa von der Schulenburg in the Jewish Museum Westphalia, Dorsten, From flickr, Attribution; threedots / Daniel Ullrich"
Hello Chzz, this is an automated message from SDPatrolBot to inform you the PROD template you added to Ken Weiss has been removed. It was removed by Bronxflash with the following edit summary '(no edit summary)'. Please consider discussing your concerns with Bronxflash before pursuing deletion further yourself. If you still think the article should be deleted after communicating with the 'dePRODer,' you may want to send the article to AfD for community discussion. Thank you, SDPatrolBot ( talk) ( Learn how to opt out of these messages) 14:14, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
BalancePlus is just a desire I have in my wiki work. If there's a company called that I have no connection. Will research name - thought of it innocently, very motivated to work to bring balance to pages on new religious groups, and even old religious groups - though the scholarship already there is stunning. BalancePlus ( talk) 14:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind welcome! I am having trouble getting referenced info on a page that is controlled by a very experience, but self-promoting wikipedian. Since I am new, I might have made fatal errors, and really really want to add balanced, verifiable facts to a page that is being used to promote an organization that is listed in many sources as a destructive cult. All my edits disappear, the links - gone, and what remains is a recruitment message. Thanks so much for any direction you might provide. If I've been a dick, it was only in the interest of balance.
BalancePlus (
talk) 13:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Please explain to me how the article I submitted doesn't explain the signifcance or importance of the subject? I used the Deathcore Wiki as a template for creating the Sumeriancore one, so after submitting the article 5 times I'm essentially tired of fixing one problem then you guys giving me another excuse. 24.99.186.215 ( talk) 04:34, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello, You recently reviewed my article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Sumeriancore. I was wondering if you could please explain to me how I failed to explain the significance of the subject at hand, and how it meet criteria for a speedy deletion? I have attempted to submit that article 5 times now I think, and each time I've upgraded it little by little with the help of a few other users like yourself. Up until this point it hasn't met that criteria, and even another user said that he saw no reason why it met such standards. So I was just wondering if you could help me out at all, because I'm at a loss. Thanks, Musicfan0011 ( talk) 09:31, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the above passage was me as well, I simply forgot to sign in before posting. I'm still confused, as you said it needs notable coverage in reliable 3rd party sources...that was my problem initially as well, though after a few submissions I was told that the notability was up to par. Obviously thats not the case, as I still can't seem to submit an article and have it created. I doubt the article will ever live up to Wikipedias "standards". Was worth a shot I guess, though quite a shame that it's this hard to create a simple Wikipedia. Thanks Musicfan0011 ( talk) 01:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello Chzz. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Anna larsson, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: international debut made with the Berlin Philharmonic is an assetion of importance, and please don't do A7s after just 3 minutes. Thank you. Ϣere SpielChequers 15:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
First of all this person has an obsession with trailing my edits go on the page and ONLY focuses their attention on disrupting the section I have been edited on and takes away sources or misues them to undermine the section. The article after protection had been pretty much not touched until HE started playing the same games again to incite an editing war.Also it's worth noting the section I created in the article is perhaps ONLY part of it that has sources and citations. [1] Here on the talk board he ONLY focueses attention on my sources and citation when the fact is and when I answer back to justify my edits he doesnt respond or states I am cluterring the page just for me defending myself. [2]
This is one of the many complaints he has put against me [3]
During my editing he purposely placed these hateful edits of vandalism (In an Article) which were no doubt were directed at me and another user who he is obsessed with (even though proven otherwise) he thinks is my sock. He cannot accept the fact that there are christians who reject the arab label and he is very bitter about this that is why he keeps edit warring with me because does not want to let that information come out. He is also bitter about the title of the article being added Arabic speaking Christians form the lone Arab Christians he wants it changed again. [4] [5] [6] [7]
When awrongful revert complaint was made against me by Hobit the user openly admitted they were hoping for my block even there was no case against me that I think this is what motivated him to provoke an edit war with me thinking he do that then complain about that then i would be blocked for editing since he admitted that was his inention.However it's partially backfired and he is blocked aswell. You will have to ask Hobit for the archive of that since I seem to have lost where to find the link. but he states there that they could of easily got me blocked if they knew how to wait at the right time.
[8] They trailed comments I made with another user and accused us both being socks they questioned my baptisim and my religious beliefs as dubious and tried to argue I was not a Christian (in case about sock accounts not my religious beliefs or how I was baptised). Even after this case was proven false they still are now accusing me and the user of being socks of the same this shows how far this person's paranoia towards me is. [9] -- ♥Yasmina♥ ( talk) 08:55, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Kapooz ( talk) 04:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz
Thank you for you help at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven1969/The_Silver_Star_Families_of_America#The_Silver_Star_Service_Flag.2FBanner
I think I have violated the conflict of interest policy since I am the founder of the SSFOA. I have placed this on my user page. I think the story of the Silver Star Service Banner for our wounded needs to be told, but I am not sure I can be objective. ?? You have my sincere apologies —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven1969 ( talk • contribs) 22:47, 17 March 2010 (UTC) Steven1969 ( talk) 22:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you my friend
Steven1969 (
talk) 23:03, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Hate to ask my friend
But could you or someone check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven1969/The_Silver_Star_Families_of_America
Have modified greatly to take into account your concerns
Also any help modifying the page would be appreciated
Thanks and God bless
Steven1969 ( talk) 02:28, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I hope that helps, Chzz ► 04:25, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Chzz
Back to work Steven1969 ( talk) 16:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Well my friend
After a lot of heartache and help from everyone, you especially, I think I am ready. Can you check for me please? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Steven1969/The_Silver_Star_Families_of_America#The_Silver_Star_Service_Flag.2FBanner
Thanks and God bless
Steven1969 ( talk) 00:08, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Dear Chzz, I guess I lust conection with you, Please let me know what I have to do next? Regards Iveta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iveta seidlova ( talk • contribs) 02:52, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured here.
I will follow up on the permission issue, and tag the article with an 'OTRS ticket number' to link it to your email. I will sort that out; no need for any further action on that part.
The article, however, lacks sources.
Independent
reliable sources are required to establish a subject's
notability. If your submission does not include reliable sources, such as books, magazines, or news articles, it will be declined Please note that websites like Facebook, Myspace, or Twitter, are not reliable sources.
A "source", also called a "reference", should generally be "cited" using
footnotes. Wikipedia uses a special feature to automatically generate footnotes with the help of two "tags", <ref>
and </ref>
. Anything placed between the two tags will generate a footnote, which appears in the text as [1]. This method of using "inline citations" is useful because it allows the reader to easily see which source supports which statement. To cite a source using this method, you need two parts:
<ref> </ref>
{{reflist}}
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An example:
Wikipedia was created by Jimbo Wales.<ref>Jones, Michael (2008). The History of Wikipedia. Publishing Company, Inc.</ref> == References == {{reflist}}
which results in:
Also, You should bold the first mention of your article's subject by using the code '''Name of article''': John Smith. You should also include links to other Wikipedia articles within the text, using [[article name]]: inventor. Example first sentence: John Smith (born 1974) is an inventor from Edinburgh. See Editing tips.
If you have any questions at all, or are unsure what what to do, please do not hesitate to contact me or one of our other volunteers at our live, 24-hour online chat, using
this web interface or ask me here. Best,
Chzz
► 03:35, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz, thankyou for taking time with me today for my article, can you just let me know what exactly you nees as ref. to finish this work we did today or you thing I need more time to comlit all wikipedia needs. Kigne Regards ( Iveta seidlova ( talk) 17:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)). Iveta Seidlova —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iveta seidlova ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Good evening, I thing I understand what you mean , it looks to me like I want to fly faster then the wind. Please I need liter time to get good references , next month we will have new press article in Travelfocus magazine in CZ. and one in French papers Toogezer this spring, we preparing new actions for enviroment and yesterday I also send partner demand to 2010 international year of biodiversity, but thit I let you know as soon all is done, I gusee the best solution is to stay in touch with you and as soon you juge my ONG ready we will make it official on wiki. In the mean time I will keep you inform and sending you references for this article. Best regards ( Iveta seidlova ( talk) 20:54, 22 March 2010 (UTC)).
File:Verfolgter Jude.jpg was nominated for deletion at here. Regards Hekerui ( talk) 18:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I'd be grateful if you could have a look at the following templates: Template:Purveyors to the Russian imperial family and Template:Purveyors to the Imperial and Royal Court. As it is normal in templates, no sources are provided. Royal Warrant#Purveyors to the Imperial and Royal Court (of Austria-Hungary) (k.u.k. Hoflieferant) and Royal Warrant#Purveyors to the Russian imperial family have also no sources (I researched and I couldn’t find anything). Both templates have been started by a SPE and I think they might have been created just to include info about the brand this user promotes. Thank you very much for your advice.-- Karljoos ( talk) 01:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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THANK YOU so much for your feedback on the South Jordan page. It was very helpful and informative. I learned several things that I didn't know, plus questions I had while writing the article were answered.
I had a chuckle because several of your suggestions came from things written by other people and my first thought was, "You mean people write as bad as me?" But the point was taken... never assume and make sure the styles match between editors.
A couple of questions:
1) "You might consider adding page references to the book sources - it would certainly help with ref 13, for example. There are a few ways to do it - I quite like harvard-style references..." Actually ref 13 was given with a page number as it was a journal reference, but it does lead to another reference, ref 10. Ref 10 is a book source and its the only book source in the article with multiple references to multiple pages. With being only one book, do I follow your style and add a bibliography section containing just the one book or do I just split out ref 10 into four individual references?
2) "moving his family along the Jordan River, at about 9000 South - I do not know what '9000 South' is (and later, 12500 South) - presumably it is some kind of mapping region - could this be clarified?" Hmmmmm, I could state in the Transportation section about the grid system that the entire Salt Lake Valley (btw, almost all Mormon settled towns are on a grid system), but would that be too far along in the article because the above quote is toward the beginning of the article? Bgwhite ( talk) 00:01, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
...along the Jordan River, near grid reference 9000 South, and lived in a dugout...
Update 2: I have tried to write a guide to Harvard-style citations, in User:Chzz/help/harvard - Bgwhite, I'd be grateful if you could try it out, and see if it makes sense. Thanks, Chzz ► 01:51, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
P.S. It looks like you have at least 3 books already - "The Fremont", "Exploring the Fremont", "The Shoshoni Frontier and the Bear River Massacre" and "South Jordan" (Utah History Encyclopedia), I think? Chzz ► 02:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I updated the page to reflect: "grid system", using Harvard-style reference for the references to the book "Of dugouts and Spires" and added a wikilink to Redwood Road.
The 'book' "South Jordan" (Utah History Encyclopedia) is sort of a web based encyclopedia. The other two books, I only reference one page. Do I convert all books to Harvard style or keep as is? Bgwhite ( talk) 02:35, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thanks for your help. Sysecho01 ( talk) 04:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Sysecho01 ( talk) 04:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for helping me. Wow, everything here is so open. I like it! TalkToVu ( talk) 05:11, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Done
Thanks for the good wishes. Well, in perfect parallel with your "callous attempt to get on my good side, I would like to be on yours - I'm definitely going to be trying to pull in as many wiki-favours as possible during my time there! So, anyone who's interested in working on BM related material between now and July is certainly someone I'm looking to be wiki-friendly too :-) Certainly, I'd be most happy to research whatever you're looking for. I will probably also be trying to promulgate a "wishlist" of articles that the BM would most like to see improved (whilst avoiding things that would fall foul of CoI) so I'd really appreciate help with that too. Obviously, I want to see BM-related articles improved for their own sake, but I also want to make sure this project is a success (both in terms of quality, quantity, publicity, number of people involved) so that other cultural organisations around the world start wanting to collaborate with Wikipedia. Can you imagine how awesome it would be if GLAMs around the world started to compete with each other to bring Wikipedians in-house?! This is a crucial test-case on that road. Witty Lama 02:13, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
How do people seem to grab ACC requests so quickly? Seriously, I haven't seen one available yet. avs5221 ( talk) 11:31, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I appreciate your efforts reverting, but, in that case, it wasn't quite appropriate. The story was,
So,
Hope that is all OK. I do appreciate what you tried to do, no problem; just wanted to explain. Cheers, Chzz ► 14:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. To answer your question, I decided to head to bed, and removed the tag because I thought I wouldn't be able to respond. But so much for good plans and decent bedtimes......
Appreciate the fix. Sure had me stumped. Best regards. -- Manway ( talk) 09:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading File:Global_Biodiversity_Protection.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. (...snipped template...) Melesse ( talk) 05:17, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Done
Hello Chzz, Thanks for the guidance and help on this. Resizing the images in Shri Gaudapadacharya Mutt did not help, but placing the pics at other places did help. I will look into reducing the number of pictures. As I am new and focussed on only 2 wiki pages not quite familiar with lot of things. Can you tell me how to reply the messages from others in my talk page, should I go to their talk page and reply (Like I did now) or I should be doing it in my talk page itself..? Best Regards, -- Ashok Prabhu ( Talk) 16:40, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I got to know about the Server problems through media today.--
Ashok Prabhu (
Talk) 12:12, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
I am fine. How about you? -- Thebirdlover ( talk) 02:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed the AfD, give me a shout if you want anything userfying. Black Kite 19:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Good evening Chzz, I hope you are fine , here is new referance http://www.cbd.int/2010/partners/ Global B. Protection become oficial Partner of 2010 International Year of Biodiversity. next mont I will send you some prss article. Cordially Iveta Seidlova ( Iveta seidlova ( talk) 20:11, 25 March 2010 (UTC)).
Done Thank you Iveta seidlova( Iveta seidlova ( talk) 23:36, 25 March 2010 (UTC)).
He buddy
Am I ready to go on the Silver Star Families of America?
I do not want to go live unless you say so.
Thanks!
Steven1969 ( talk) 16:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chzz
I take it you edited the Silver Star Families of America page. THANK YOU
And I wish I knew how you did some of those things.
Ok
Will move to live
Thanks so much my friend
Steven1969 ( talk) 17:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Uh Chzz?
I changed the name to the Silver Star Families of America and then hit move
Kicked my clear off site
And now I cant find the article
Sigh
Steven1969 ( talk) 18:51, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Sigh
Found it Chzz.
Steven1969 ( talk) 22:28, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry my friend
Still learning
And reading all the manuals are -------- something else.
Thank you for your help.
God bless
Steven1969 ( talk) 15:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes That is the one I am working on now. Makes an old mans head hurt.
Smile
After I learn a few more things do you recommend the "new article patrol?"
Steven1969 ( talk) 00:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
(Replying on user talk page) Chzz ► 09:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I thought you said that it would probably help to submit the article while logged in as it probably wouldn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion. Though after logging in and submitting, I received the exact same message as to why it could not be created. It seems like everyone on here is always quick to delete something but never quick to respond to any messages asking for help. Not saying thats the case for you, but thus far it seems to be a trend. Musicfan0011 ( talk) 21:58, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
And how do I go about creating the article instead of submitting it? Also, everyone just keeps stating that its non-notable, but how can Deathcore qualify as a notable article when mine does not? I used the Deathcore wikipedia as a template for making the Sumeriancore one, and the references included are nearly identical in nature as well as notability. I could understand all the trouble I've had to go through to create it had this article been about something a little heavier in clout, such as: President Obama, The Boston Tea Party, or The Healthcare Reform Bill, but I'm not. Its a simple article on a simple sub-genre of music that has recently became very wide-spread and would benefit from a standardized Wikipedia for the followers to view. Musicfan0011 ( talk) 12:55, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not trying to argue the article into existence with you, just so you know. When I used Deathcore as an example I was trying to gain an understanding of how I was lacking when the two articles and references included are similar. When you say that the Sumeriancore article is 'non-notable', what exactly do you mean? For example, are you saying that none of the references/citations included link to ANY shred of notability? Or that there is simply not enough examples of notability provided? Pointing out the unusable material would greatly assist me in creating a better article. I'm asking because if this is the case I could then take the time to find more usable references that could possibly bring the article up to Wikipedia standards. I seem to just have a problem understanding the vague explanation of it not being notable, or not explaining the significance. Also, the Google quote shouldn't really hold any weight, as many Wikipedia articles bring up a broad range of hits on Google. I'm sure Deathcore didn't begin its life with 8,000,000 hits on Google. I do appreciate all the help you've given me so far. Thanks for being so quick to reply as well. Musicfan0011 ( talk) 02:13, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, then you were completely right about Deathcore needing a revamping, because my sources and the sources in those are nearly indetical. Most sub-genres are not going to get coverage on CNN, or BBC, or anything like that. Especially being the kind of sub-genre that they are anyways, where most of the mainstream world disagrees with the style of music in general. Or doesn't understand it so they automatically dislike it. Thanks for your time again. Musicfan0011 ( talk) 20:55, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Just a quick note to let you know your prod was removed from this article. I suspect it would probably be deleted at AfD and will take it there myself if I find time to do a good faith search beforehand. Feel free to take it to AfD yourself if I haven't already done so. I'll drop you a note here in the unlikely event that I do a search and find her notable. Dpmuk ( talk) 23:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
Fetchcomm suggested that you adopt me. Are you going to?
-- Thebirdlover ( talk) 02:28, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you so very much! ElvisDitto ( talk) 09:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello .. still trying to figure out Wikipedia :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RahulJVK ( talk • contribs) 10:36, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi sorry bout that buit I don't know how to delete pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Migitgem2009 ( talk • contribs) 13:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Please help me to rewrite the article in that way to be submitted successfully. Thank you Jenny —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niazza ( talk • contribs) 18:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
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Hiya, thank you for your willingness to help reviewing the above article. I really appreciate your kindness. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 02:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Important note to self As of today, user has addressed issues raised - I need to copyedit and review the whole doc, ASAP Chzz ► 06:17, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Passed as GA. Chzz ► 13:50, 27 March 2010 (UTC) Done
Hi Chzz - just wondering whether you meant to transclude your userpage onto User talk:Shawnhelene with this edit? (Or am I misunderstanding what happened there?) Gonzonoir ( talk) 15:13, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, Chzz! The user wrote it again. It's harassment, isn't it? Please help!-- Longitudo ( talk) 07:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice. It's better to ignore a typo there? It's also unpleasant for me.-- Longitudo ( talk) 09:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you.-- Longitudo ( talk) 12:57, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
PS Hmm. <rubs chin> what a useful but------- Haruth ( talk) 08:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Problem in locating the new Article wnich has a name quite similar to the old version
Thus in User:HeZimmerman/Birch I find only the earlier version which has only about a quarter of the material.
I put the new article in today (March 28)and requested that it go in User:Hezimmerman. I seemed to find it. It has lost all of the six drawings which I had uploaded and which you found in Wiki Commons.
Thus, I need to find the new article. That may be tricky since it has a title about the Birch Reduction. The new title is "The Birch Reduction, Mechanistic and Historical Aspects" which is different than the old one. But the new one is missing drawings and, I'm guessing that the new one doesn't have the one table formatted while the old article has the table formatted.
When I did a "save" on the new article, it disappeared and since then I can't locate it.
There is some advantage to keeping the old one until the new one is properly fixed up Thus the Table was tricky to format on the old one, and I could just copy and paste the table as a simple way to get it into the new one formatted properly.
Incidentally, there is one article on the Birch Reduction in Wikipedia. As an organic chemist who if quite familiar with the subject I found it distressingly bad. But I don't want to get the fellow who wrote it annoyed. Still, the errors I have found In quotes are (My comment in italics":
WRONG: "begins at the ipso carbon to yield a 1,4-cyclohexadiene with the carboxylic acid on the 3 position." [Doesn’t begin at the ipso carbon] [ Not the 3 position] "Since the COOH is an electron withdrawing group, the radical anion on the ipso carbon is stabilized by resonance structures. 'The regioselectivity may also be described in terms of SOMO of the radical anion: the SOMO has its largest value at the ipso carbon because of the inductive effect of the electron-withdrawing COOH." [Doesn’t follow. The SOMO is not controlling] [In MO 6, SOMO the highest density is Carbon 4 not 1]. In substituted aromatic compounds an electron-withdrawing substituent, such as a carboxylic acid,[13] stabilizes a carbanion and the least-substituted olefin is generated. [The formation of the less substituted double bond is not due to an electron-withdrawing group but to the high electron densities at both Carbons 1 and 4].
"With an electron-donating substituent the opposite effect is obtained.[14] The reaction produces more of the less thermodynamically stable non-conjugated 1,4-addition product than the more stable conjugated 1,3-diene because the largest orbital coefficient of the HOMO of the conjugated pentadienyl anion intermediate is on the central carbon atom."
[MO 5 is not controlling, it is the total electron density which is]MISLEADING "In the presence of an alkyl halide the carbanion can also undergo nucleophilic substitution with carbon-carbon bond formation." [A Carbanion is not susceptible to nucleophic attach and the carbon is the nucleophile]
Howard E. Zimmerman 22:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Done
Examples re. article from reply |
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9My comments are in brackets] and tghe other text is cut and pasted from that article) http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Chzz&action=edit§ion=7 WRONG: begins at the ipso carbon to yield a 1,4-cyclohexadiene with the carboxylic acid on the 3 position. [Doesn’t begin at the ipso carbon] [ Not the 3 position] Since the COOH is an electron withdrawing group, the radical anion on the ipso carbon is stabilized by resonance structures. The regioselectivity may also be described in terms of SOMO of the radical anion: the SOMO has its largest value at the ipso carbon because of the inductive effect of the electron-withdrawing COOH. [Doesn’t follow. The SOMO is not controlling] [In MO 6, SOMO the highest density is Carbon 4 not 1]. In substituted aromatic compounds an electron-withdrawing substituent, such as a carboxylic acid,[13] stabilizes a carbanion and the least-substituted olefin is generated. [The formation of the less substituted double bond is not due to an electron-withdrawing group but to the high electron densities at both Carbons 1 and 4]. With an electron-donating substituent the opposite effect is obtained.[14] The reaction produces more of the less thermodynamically stable non-conjugated 1,4-addition product than the more stable conjugated 1,3-diene because the largest orbital coefficient of the HOMO of the conjugated pentadienyl anion intermediate is on the central carbon atom. [MO 5 is not controlling, it is the total electron density which is] |
Hello! Your submission of Tambouras at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Materialscientist ( talk) 01:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I did this revert. If you want to put it back because you believe it to be good material, I have no problem with that, but I suspect you didn't realize it was Brexx.— Kww( talk) 19:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
BUMP Chzz ► 07:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Hope things are going well for you. Kind of an amazing job you do on Wikipedia. Interesting. Anyway, other than appearing to have too many references :-) I think the article looks better - more like the standard. I would appreciate your input. the username is Jwkelley, but I have asked to have it changed to Musant. I don't know when or if that will happen. Thank you,
musant 18:49, 25 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwkelley ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for all the expert advice, Chzz. I really need it. And I thought I did sign with four tildes. Does it have to be on the same line or something? signature follows -> musant 20:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musant ( talk • contribs)
The Original Barnstar | ||
For being a reviewer and giving suggestions in promoting Nicol David to the good article-status, and providing valuable guidance on the IRC channel, I Arteyu hereby award you the Original Barnstar, the first on Wikipedia, that is given to recognize particularly fine contributions to Wikipedia, to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. Thank you very much Chzz. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 14:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC) |
Thank you. Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 14:10, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank-you for the information about welcoming people. So sorry it didn't work well. I feel terrible. I will try better next time. Thank-you again. Percyfangirl44 ( talk) 03:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
The Guidance Barnstar | ||
This is for letting me bug you so much on IRC about such a wide array of subjects, all of which you have been very knowledgeable and helpful with. Also, for never failing in your efforts to assist fellow Wikipedians - either myself, or any other user that I have seen reach out to you, (or, more often, you reaching out to them!) either on-wiki or in #wikipedia-en-help connect. You are a valuable member to this community. Avic enna sis @ 07:28, 28 March 2010 (UTC) |
The reason I logged off of the talk page was that I thought you had said that you were stopping; my guess was that you are on the East Coast. But even for me, since I have to get up at 6:00 AM Monday in the Mid-West, I need to quit at this time.
BUT, despite putting the file names in carefully and cutting and pasting the form of the file copy request (i.e. etc I was not able to copy the last three files (for Figures 1, 2 3). I tried several times and cannot see what the difference between the file request for the first three drawings which did work and these three which did not.
If you can see what I did wrong, I would appreciate that.
ALSO, I am indebted to you for showing me how the referencing should be done.
I think I should get the drawings done first.
Let me mention that I am still non-Emeritus unretired and kept reasonably busy during the week (Saturday afternoons also). But I do want to get this article completed and can work on it off and on.
I've mentioned before that the only Birch article in Wikipedia is a mess! This is a field in which I am expert and can recognize miserable errors. That was one motivation for my hard work.
Perhaps this is not the place for giving examples of real errors in the Birch article already in Main Wikipedia, but I'll give some examples: (moved examples here to archive; see below Chzz ► 09:32, 29 March 2010 (UTC))) Howard E. Zimmerman 02:44, 29 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for fixing up the names of the three Figures (Figures 1,2 AND 3)
But for some reason two of the Figures did not appear the same as the other drawings but are small insertions which seem separate. On clicking on them they become full screen.
With you in England you must be tired from working in the very late hours. But I appreciate the help.
The one Figure which did appear properly seems slightly too large. I wonder what the best way is to make is slightly smaller. I can try a few things.
It is early morning here and I need to get ready for work.
Best wishes,
Howard Zimmerman —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs) 12:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
[[File:Ico specie.png]]
Notice, I have deliberately picked a small image - the original is just 31 × 41 pixels. The above code displays it at its original size; if it was a photograph of e.g. 3000x3000, then it you would only be seeing a bit of it, and it would take up my entire talk page. To avoid that problem, we can specify the size;
[[File:Ico specie.png|20px]]
...so, notice the 2nd one is smaller. I could specify bigger, and it'd be stretched, like this one;
[[File:Ico specie.png|100px]]
...but, we hate specifying sizes. Wikipedia is supposed to be simple - easy to view on all kinds of machines, including portable devices. In almost every case, in articles, we do not specify a fixed size. Instead, we make it into a 'thumbnail', with a caption. The 'thumb' option automatically sizes the picture, and puts a box around it. The size of thumbnails can be chosen by the reader - it is an option in your preferences. In this way, we can show huge pictures in an article, and not have to worry about different sized screens and things; they'll all see it in a reasonable size, and they can click it to get the detailed view. Like this nice picture of a castle. The code for this one is;
[[File:Gawthorpe new.jpg|thumb|This is [[Gawthorpe Hall]]]]
The text 'wraps around' the box automatically, and everything is cool.
I can see this will be challenging, for the type of article that you are writing. I recommend that, where at all possible, you do use the 'thumb' option.
If you force the size of images, then they might look OK on your machine, but not on others - they might well appear in different places, because of different text sizes, and that might make it very hard to follow. If you use the 'thumb' option, and a caption, you can refer to the caption in the text.
Please have a look at the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial, and also perhaps consult Wikipedia:Manual of Style (chemistry)/Structure drawing. I hope this helps, and I hope it is not too confusing. There are no 'hard and fast rules', so do what you think appropriate; somebody can always come along and improve it later. Best, Chzz ► 17:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
It is just after lunch-time here. With you being up so late, I'm surprised that you are corresponding again. But it is helpful.
I read all of your information and checked the two sites on drawing you mentioned.
I am guessing that the small inserted pictures came from the use of Thumbnail when copying the files in. I can check this in my user space.
But it isn't clear to me how to change from the Thumbnail version to the full picture once the Thumbnail one is in place. Perhaps in just editing, changing the filename and omitting the Thumbnail would do that.
For my chemical drawings, the Thumbnail versions are not ideal since one had to go back and forth from the text and the drawing to digest the chemical meaning. So, I guess I would prefer to convert the Thumbnail version to the full ones.
The same question arise about the picture quality using the examples you gave changing from low to high resolution and reverse. Can this be done once the picture is already copied to an Article? I think I'll need to see exactly how this is done to apply to a drawing already there.
Chzz, I don't know if you are a chemist, an organic chemist. You mentioned earlier that the easiest thing would be to fix up that Birch article already in Wikipedia. The situation is that that Birch article covers only a minor portion of what I have in mine. Completely aside from all the errors and misleading things, after reading that original Birch article one doesn't really have a view of the Birch Reduction. It deals only with the case of Benzene which is not typical and doesn't give real mechanisms, doesn't explain why the double bonds of product are not conjugated, the regioselectivity of the first protonation step, and has omitted most of the relevant references, and doesn't give a historical view of the controversy and changing views in the chemical literature.
I apologize for giving some things which would make sense mainly to an organic chemist.
But eventually I can get some organic chemists to review the article. First I need to get it in readable form.
Chzz, there was a time when I used to get to England, and the continent, every other summer. My first view of England was in the winter of 1944-45. At the age of 18 I was a tank gunner in Germany in WWII.
I've pratted on to much.
With thanks for all your help,
Howard Howard E. Zimmerman 19:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
[[File:Citric acid cycle with aconitate 2 id.svg|500px|left]] [[File:Citric acid cycle with aconitate 2 id.svg|thumb|Citric acid cycle]]
To: Chzz, From: Howard Z
I fixed up the drawings and as you said, removing the thumbnail solved that. I really does look pretty now.
I can get some of the postdocs working with me to look at the article as it is now.
But I do need to fix the references. Your fixing the first couple helps in giving a guide. But I can't find where in our conversations you had given some detail on referencing. I have searched our conversation and no longer can find it.
Chzz, the only thing I'm still really in doubt is how one uses the image specifications. Thus just where would something like File:Ico Birch Benzoic.gif go. I'm guessing that it would just have the |100px added to the file input specification. But the drawings really look nice now and I'm just curious.
Regarding your suggestion of eventually merging the present Birch article with mine, that is a possibility. The current Birch one covers about the first 10% of what I do and would need to be fixed up. Thus there may be a polite way of merging the two. The Birch had been one of my real interests and so I got started on all this work.
But if I ever finish all of this, I can think of one or more articles I could do in my spare time. Much earlier I had made a list of "Paradigms" which particularly interested me. In that I have very short summaries of those with references. Foolishly I had put a personal resume at the beginning and that got some Editors understandably bothered. That listing still remains and I've thought of taking the early resume out. But I hesitate since then it would not be too clear who had written that. The nice thing about the listing, it has topics not covnered in Wikkipedia, topics covered marginally, and some covered better but without proper referencing. Thus the list of Paradigms is a good starting point for writing other articles.
The weather here is brisk and cold (or quite cool) about 45 deg F. But we are promise 71 deg in just another day.
Chzz, I should end. We have a "Spring Break" here with the undergraduate students largely being off on vacations. Thus, I have more time to spend on things.
Best wishes, Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 20:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Chzz, if I ever get done with this Birch Reduction job, —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Hezimmerman (
talk •
contribs) 20:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
To: Chzz From: Howard Zimmerman
The following is the text.
Using simple Hückel computations in 1961 it was shown that the Birch mechanism was incorrect. The correct mechanism M is depicted in Figure 1. [Note Ref 4, also Ref 5].
[4] "Orientation in Metal Ammonia Reductions," Zimmerman, H. E, Tetrahedron, 1961, 16, 169-176.
[5]"Base-Catalyzed Rearrangements," Chapter 6 of "Molecular Rearrangements," Zimmerman, H. E., Ed. P. DeMayo, Interscience, 345-406, New York, 1963.
End of the text.
I've tried ptting eht Cite error: The opening <ref>
tag is malformed or has a bad name (see the
help page). at the beginning and the end of this except for the [4]
which is at the beginning. The reference is properly put in the list at the end of the
article but the superscript [4] isn't in a reasonable place and isn't moveable.
It isn't clear to me how the method picks up the superscript [4] and how it decides to place it.
I have done only a temporary edit and closed before anything was destroyed.
Any suggestions?
Chzz, please get normal sleep tonight and I'll be patient. It isn't reasonable for me to ask so many questions and the to get you responding at crazy hours.
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 01:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
This is a fact.<ref>Here is the reference</ref> Another fact.<ref>Another reference</ref>
You can also 'name' references, so that you can use them several times. I have used this technique in the article. For example,
This is a fact.<ref name=sausages>Here is the reference</ref> Another fact here, which uses the same ref.<ref name=sausages/>
Mr. Chzz, you helped me a few days ago on using harvard style citations on the South Jordan, Utah page. I'm having trouble with a citation. I'm trying to cite a pdf article on the Jordan River (Utah) page and do it in the harvard style. I'm citing the article 4-5 times with different pages from the article each time. I've looked at other pages on how to do it, but there seems to be different was to do it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bgwhite ( talk) 02:51, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Chzz,
I'm interesting in doing more here at wikipedia, but I'm a bit overwhelmed and don't have any idea where to start. I'm used to some sort of training before I jump into doing things because, frankly, I don't want to jump into editing anything and then have people come behind me deleting everything I tried to edit. LOL That would be a real discouragement for me ... I'm the sort of person who wants to learn how to do things the right way in the beginning. Is there any sort of training that goes on here for new people so they know and learn the ins and outs of what is good to do, when to do it, what to look for, and so on? I learn by doing ... trying to learn by reading all the wiki info just puts me to sleep because it's a bit overwhelming. Too much information at one time, if you know what I mean?
I'll check back for any response... thanks.......... Sysecho01 ( talk) 03:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
(note: archived, and copied to user talk so they have links, etc Chzz ► 09:56, 1 April 2010 (UTC))
To: Chzz From: Howard Zimmerman
Chzz,
I had just figured out how to deal with References 4 and 5 and got them reasonably set up (at least to start).
But on looking at the article now, I see that the references are somehow in trouble and mixed up.
Another problem somehow developed. The drawing for Figure 1 is oddly placed. I've attemted to give it more space, but the space is put partially before the caption and the drawing doesn't move left but is oddly to the right.
Chzz, I appreciate your wanting to help. Especially in view of my uncertainty earlier about the referencing.
But is it possible to get the Article back to where it was this morning. I had just fixed up References 4 and 5. I realize that I could improve them further but the basic job really was ok.
I think I can put the rest of the references in all right.
But I don't know if the article as it waa this morning is archived and can be retrieved.
If not, I can go through the article and see if I can get the right referencing.
I haven't figured out exactly what went wrong.
But Reference 3 should be to Krapcho and Bothner-By
Then Ref 4 should be to the 1961 Tetrahedron article
and Ref 5 to the Interscience 1973 article.
After that Ref 6 should be the Birch and Nasipuri 1959 article.
Chzz, if needed I can go through and experiment with fixing this up.
But I'm a bit uncertain about how to change the referencing although I can try.
AND, I don't know how to move the Drawing in Figure 1 to be to the left and centered. while it was ok originally, my attempts to move it back haven't worked.
Thus if the article has been archived and can be gotten back, that would be simplest.
Chzz, it does appear that I've been the source of too much work for you. Neverheless please do realize that I appreciate the help.
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 17:16, 30 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Trying to reach Chzz
Chzz,
There was a note about a message you left at 1:30 or so. My time or your time?
But I don't seem to find the message.
As I mentioned, it would really help if you have an archive of what I had for the Article this morning.
I can start working on it, but that would be silly if there is an archive.
The referencing problem began with Ref 1 and an attempt to dissect reference 1 into parts. But in the process, Reference 4 (Tetrahedron paper) was totally lost and the references were scrambled.
Thus, should I start working on the Article?
Also, I don't know what happened to Figure 1 and its caption so that the drawing has move wildly to the right and the Caption picks up space just before it.
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 19:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Chzz,
I sent a message earlier and hope it got to you.
I'm hesitant to work on fixing the scrambled references since I don't know if you have found an Archive to restore that to what it was this morning (My morning should be 7 hours or so later for you).
The Problem seems to start with Reference 2. Thus the Birch Reference is properly 1 but the Wilds reference should be 2. I don't have the article in front of me, but I think the two references have somehow been combined.
I probably can fix that but it would be easier to work with the article as it was this morning.
Also, I don't know how to give Figure 1 and the caption for Figure 1 placed properly as they were. Whenever I put more space after the caption, it goes partially before the caption.
I hope this (and my ealier message) gets to you.
I have a meeting I have to attend 1:30 for a few hours but will get back to the office after that.
Best wishes and apologizies for the extra problems.
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 17:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Chzz,
I think I have everything fixed except for one reference. Near the end on doing a Save there is a complaint about the one reference which has "no reference". It is a repeat of Reference 4 and I need to convince myself how to convert Ref 4 to a Named Reference and then Refer back to it.
Chzz, I finally figured out how to make Figure 1 look better. The placement of the "File:..etc" for Figure 1 seems to be controlling. But also, there was part of the Figure 1 Title which was getting in the way and I took it out (perhaps can add it later).
At this point I have copies of the Edit and the Readable versions and will print them out tonight for proof-reading.
I did run into a minor problem when doing a Preview; somehow I don't get back to the Edit version with the corrections just made. Thus I always have to do a Save.
It has been some work but I think it looks reasonably good. I'm just hoping that I haven't overlooked any real errors.
I did fix up that Signature stuff as requested.
You should not stay up until the wee hours again, at least not to work on my stuff.`
Best wishes,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 21:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman ( talk • contribs)
Thank you for moving my article to the correct userpage. I tried to reach you via one of the other links once internet service was restored here, but apparently did not get through. I will now try to upload a picture. I do not know who has the copyright, but it is an image already published widely on other sites about my subject. It was a publicity shot. -- Asmegowan ( talk) 19:14, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I hope that the person who wrote "Not only clearly an ad, it's also clearly a copyright violation. I've re-deleted accordingly. Woogee (talk) 20:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC) in the space under my message was not referring to my subject, who is not advertising anything as his active days are over. Do people delete and re-delete articles without even reading them? -- Asmegowan ( talk) 03:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Not only clearly an ad, it's also clearly a copyright violation. I've re-deleted accordingly. Woogee ( talk) 20:25, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Chzz. Would you like to be nominated for adminship? NERDYSCIENCEDUDE ( ✉ message • changes) 22:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
I was led to your User Page and Hope it is all right to put my message here
Chzz,
I sent a message earlier and hope it got to you.
I'm hesitant to work on fixing the scrambled references since I don't know if you have found an Archive to restore that to what it was this morning (My morning should be 7 hours or so later for you).
The Problem seems to start with Reference 2. Thus the Birch Reference is properly 1 but the Wilds reference should be 2. I don't have the article in front of me, but I think the two references have somehow been combined.
I probably can fix that but it would be easier to work with the article as it was this morning.
Also, I don't know how to give Figure 1 and the caption for Figure 1 placed properly as they were. Whenever I put more space after the caption, it goes partially before the caption.
I hope this (and my ealier message) gets to you.
I have a meeting I have to attend 1:30 for a few hours but will get back to the office after that.
Best wishes and apologizies for the extra problems.
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 17:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank You for the help Hannahyay ( talk) 21:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at April Fool's Day, you will be blocked from editing.
To: Chzz
Thanks for the suggestion, Chzz. Yes, do archive the very old Talk stuff.
Best Howard E. Zimmerman 19:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
Done
To: Chzz From: Howard
Chzz,
In reading one of your comments now that I have it all on my pc, I noted that you would have liked to see more references. But, Chzz, I have every reference obtainable from SciFinder dealing with the mechanistic aspects of the Birch Reduction. Thus, the understanding of the reaction has been difficult. But there are no other views that have been given. All of the references come from referee journals and thus have passed muster. And in the Article, there is no new original work. For those not familiar with the literature it should prove new.
The qualitative and superficial aspects of the reaction can be seen in the references given. Yes, there must be hundreds (thousands?) of synthetic applications of the reaction but that is outside of the scope of the article and in any case is simple and repetitive. It could be the subject of another article but a very dull one since all the aynthetic examples follow precisely the same pattern considered in the present article.
I did look up the Wiki definition and description of reliable. It would seem that all of this is reliable since it is references from journals such as JACS, etc. Also, there is mention of writing by an expert in the field; and it fits that also.
Thus, Chzz, I don't have much choice in referencing. I've picked every article I could find.
I have a tendency to write too much and have done it again.
Best,
Howard
Howard E. Zimmerman 21:57, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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BUMP Chzz ► 07:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
The Oddball Barnstar | ||
For creating the William Windsor (goat) article, and improving it towards GA status, I hereby award you the Oddball Barnstar. When I read this article, it made my day. It seems as if this barnstar was created with this article in mind. Congratulations! Thegreatdr ( talk) 18:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC) |