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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Template:Clarify was copied or moved into incubator:Template:Wp/nod/clarify with this edit. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
Is there a reason this template doesn't allow more detail on what is needed to be clarified? E.g.
{{clarifyme|This is confusing because it appears to suggest that lorem ipsum dolor blah blah blah....}}
I'd envision using this where the clarificatory detail can be expressed in a way that makes sense to most readers of the page and in a way that is useful to them (even if it's not encyclopedic prose), rather than relegating it to the talk page where most readers will never see it. Thanks. jhawkinson 16:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm marking this as resolved for future reference. The tag these days has been modified a now supports two ways to address this issue: 1) using a |reason=
parameter for a tooltip and 2) using a |post-text=
parameter to display text directly within the tag.
Jason Quinn (
talk) 20:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inline templates. I've been meaning to do this for a while. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Need to add: [[Category:Inline templates|{{PAGENAME}}]] (without the nowiki of course). — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont ‹(-¿-)› 03:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This edit [1] deleted whitespace from the article. Needs fixin! -- Kendrick7 talk 05:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This template is redundant to the earlier {{ unclear}}. It should be merged/redirected to that template. heqs ·:. 12:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Request changing Clarify into Clarification needed - to me, the former is a request of the reader, while the latter is a note about the preceding statement. Althepal 18:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Clicking on "clarify" currently takes you to a whole load of waffle about what "clarify" might mean. Much more useful would be the facility to link to a talk page explanation where you can explain why the text is unclear and what needs to be done to fix it. Propose updating the template to accept the syntax {{clarifyme|target_page}}, so that clicking the link then takes you to target_page. If this parameter is not specified then the template can work as now, so nothing in place will be broken.
Does anyone fancy doing this?
Matt 11:31, 21 October 2007 (UTC).
You can do this now using the |post-text=
parameter like
{{clarify|post-text=(see [[Talk:Example#Clarification needed|talk discussion]])}}
as explained in the (modern) documentation. This issue is more or less resolved so I will mark it as such. Jason Quinn ( talk) 14:36, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
I updated the doc file for the clarifyme template, in order to better understand what works and what doesn't. Please check if I've got it right. Could anyone explain how the link and title parameters are supposed to be used? I cannot override them with my own, unlike pre- and post_text. For example, the tag at the end of this sentence uses pre and post text the way I would like to use link.possible usage: clarification needed : here - Wikianon ( talk) 18:32, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
please place a ", " comma space before the post-text.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Miami33139 ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 6 March 2008
I think User:Miami33139 is pretty clear in what he is trying to say, especially when his edit summary read "The text mashes together", and I also agree with him that the change should be made, though I think the comma is unnecessary (just a space will be sufficient).
The situation is that this template, when the post-text argument is set, gives output that reads something like "clarifyPOSTTEXT". There is no space between the word "clarify" and the post-text. Even if you put the post-text in parentheses, it still looks bad, like "clarify(POSTTEXT)" instead of "clarify (POSTTEXT)". Can one of the people who edit this template please insert a space?
— Lowellian ( reply) 13:40, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Under useful redirects, please add "in what sense". Thanks, Queerudite ( talk) 15:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
I propose Template:Vague be merged into this article such that vague redirects to clarifyme. Sentences marked 'vague' could just as easily be marked 'clarify', and I prefer the latter because it explains what to do and is a call to action. Could an admin please add the merge tag to the clarify me template? Queerudite ( talk) 16:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Oppose merge. Vague is more specific; vague shows the reason without having to go to the edit screen. It is simpler to use, more useful, and more likely to get someone to fix the problem. But not everything that needs clarification is vague. Unless and until its functionality is added here, without making this a much more cumbersome and useless template, I will oppose merger. Gene Nygaard ( talk) 03:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Please update {{/doc}} with {{documentation}}. Per
Wikipedia:Template documentation/List Thankyou. --
ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 06:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The pre-text parameter should simply be removed, as a) it isn't grammatical to do things like "?clarify", and b) people will do stupid or mistaken things with it. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 12:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
See Template talk:Confusing#Confusing redirects. -- Eleassar my talk 12:33, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
Suggest that Clarification needed is changed to clarification needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.247.190 ( talk) 21:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Done I propose moving this template to Template:Clarify (currently a redirect here), which is a shorter title. I don't see how the "me" adds anything valuable or is in any way necessary. Any thoughts? – BLACK FALCON ( TALK) 18:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
editprotected}}
I think this template should be able to link to a discussion section, similar to
Template:Dubious. If I'm not mistaken, this would be:
|post-text=<span class="metadata"> – [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#{{{1|Clarify me}}}|discuss]]</span>
Thanks. - Verdatum ( talk) 15:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
{{
edit protected}}
template. Thanks, — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 18:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Is this template supposed to be a box that appears at the top/bottom of articles/sections, or is it supposed to be used inline? 69.140.152.55 ( talk) 22:57, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
When logged in I am now seeing the text "1. REDIRECT Template:Clarify" inside articles that included {{ clarifyme}}, whereas before the move (or when not logged in), I saw the small superscripted "[clarification needed]". For example see The Golem and the Dancing Girl. What has gone wrong? Does the template namespace have a limitation with redirects? 84user ( talk) 18:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
It seems to have affected all articles that transcluded "clarifyme". See this list. For me it occurs with Opera and Firefox, with other skins and also with my personal javascript disabled. 84user ( talk) 18:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, this issue appears (to me) to have been resolved. The page was deleted in preparation for the move, and I suspect it just took a moment for the move to promulgate. - Verdatum ( talk) 16:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
IMO we should allow the optional messages to wrap. -- Gordon Ecker ( talk) 08:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to present this paragraph as an example why I feel we require an update for the Clarify template. The problem is, you as a Japanese speaker cannot see what needs to be clarified, unless you go to edit and read the source. With basic (and W3C compatible) Wiki->HTML rendering we could view reason= instead of a link on MouseOver.
I believe rare people bother to press the edit key just to see a clarification - which may or may not have a reason, the link as it is doesn't tell that, either. A random editor is unable to readily know if he/she actually has the required information, and would propably rather edit the article than seep through source "code". Thus clarify-edits are mainly accidental stumble upons, even if you did leave a reason. In a similar sense, bypassing reason= and adding reason to the article would create unnecessary clutter and make the article harder to read for a common user.
Unfortunately I'm not a programmer so I can't readily create this without further study, nor did I check who can or has the rights to do it (or which concensus is needed). I just feel the template as it is is getting obsolete, as clarify|reason= at the moment doesn't really do anything, while most parameters on most other templates actually do. Perhaps some bold people could put this under their thinking cap :) - aeris talk 03:02, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
With this template, if you use just "September 2010", a bot comes traipsing along and changes this to "date=September 2010".
But with most (?) other WP problem templates, if you use "date=September 2010", then a bot changes this to "September 2010".
Why is there no consistency? Cheers,
Varlaam (
talk) 17:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
|date=September 2010
isn't the only valid form. Please give examples of bot edits where the "date=" is being removed. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 22:20, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
{{
clarify}}
has no positional (i.e. unnamed) parameters, and recognises just three named parameters: these are |date=
, |pre-text=
and |post-text=
(the parameter |reason=
mentioned in the documentation is not part of the template coding, but is nonetheless valid). Therefore putting "September 2010" in a positional parameter is not detected by anything. SmackBot operates under the principle that those cleanup templates which have a |date=
parameter (which is most of them), must have that parameter filled in. If no |date=
parameter has been given, or if it is present but empty, SmackBot will create one (if absent), and fill it in with the current month and year. SmackBot does not care about misuse of other parameters, so will not know to look elsewhere for a misplaced date. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 14:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
{{example|September 2010}}
into {{example|September 2010|date=September 2010}}
, it is just as likely to change {{example|Hello World}}
into {{example|Hello World|date=September 2010}}
. The bot does not care about unnamed parameters, whether these be valid or not, nor whether they contain dates or not: all it cares about is that for certain cleanup templates, including {{
clarify}}
(which has no positional parameters) and {{
refimprove}}
(which has one positional parameter), a non-blank |date=
must be present in order that the correct categories (in these cases
Category:Wikipedia articles needing clarification from September 2010 and
Category:Articles needing additional references from September 2010) get populated. Therefore, in the absence of a valid |date=
parameter, the bot will add it - it doesn't go looking for dates among the unnamed parameters before which to insert date=
. So, {{example|August 2010}}
will be changed into {{example|August 2010|date=September 2010}}
. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:07, 12 September 2010 (UTC)This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at Template talk:! cymru.lass (hit me up)⁄ (background check) 20:08, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Could this template be upgraded to switch to the use of {{ Fix-span}} ? Two additional parms :
Thanks ? -- Jerome Potts ( talk) 11:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi, is there any way that the "reason" text can be made more accessible to the person reading the article? It would almost be better if clicking on the link popped up the reason text rather than going to a generic page that 99.9% of the time will shed no light whatsoever on what the alleged problem is. The "pre" and "post" text parameters are fine for very short reasons, but often the reason may be too long to comfortably be accommodated. 109.153.233.36 ( talk) 20:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Would it not be feasible and appropriate to make the text entered after the reason=
parameter visible by hovering the mouse over the clarification needed template? __
meco (
talk) 10:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Why does one of the examples (the one with the reason
parameter) include "subst:
" which substitutes the template, while the other examples don't? —
Kri (
talk) 17:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
{{
clarify}}
(and a few other maintenance templates, both inline and banner) so that if they were substituted, two things would happen: (a) the attempted substitution would be turned into a proper transclusion; and (b) the template would be automatically dated. Thus, {{
subst:clarify}}
, when saved, becomes {{
clarify|date=April 2024}}
; and so {{
subst:clarify|reason=Some reason}}
is essentially the same as {{
clarify|reason=Some reason|date=April 2024}}
. The first reason is a good one - some templates should never be substituted, and this guards against it; but the second reason merely allows you to be lazy. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 18:19, 22 August 2011 (UTC){{subst:clarify}}
become {{Clarify| date=April 2024}}
, is there some kind of circle reference going on here or has subst:
been modified specifically for this template? For example, {{subst:Clarify| date=April 2024}}
just becomes {{Clarify| date=April 2024}}
again. —
Kri (
talk) 19:48, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
{{
clarify}}
and not as the underlying {{
fix}}
. The template code begins with some code which essentially boils down to "if this template has not been substituted, the template code is {{fix ...}}
, otherwise the template code is {{clarify ...}}
; and in the latter case, has a |date=
been provided - if not, fake one in". Part of it is done by means of {{
subst:unsubst}}
, the doc page of which has further information. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 20:41, 22 August 2011 (UTC)I finally figured out the problem I noted above with the feature to display the "reason" text when the mouse is hovered over the "clarification needed" link. In fact, what seems to be happening is that the feature fails to work when the "reason" text contains quote marks:
This works:
clarification needed
This doesn't work:
clarification needed
Any techie person able to fix this? 86.179.1.81 ( talk) 03:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
|reason=
parameter is used to build the HTML code for a tooltip, by making it into the value of a title=
attribute on a <span>...</span>
element. HTML requires that attribute values containing spaces must be enclosed in double quotes, so the {{
fix}}
template (which is the core of {{
clarify}}
and many others} adds a pair of double quotes to enclose the reason. So, you end up with HTML like this:<span title="What does XYZ mean?">clarification needed</span>
<span title="What does "XYZ" mean?">clarification needed</span>
<span title="What does "XYZ" mean?">clarification needed</span>
{{
str rep}}
and {{
str repc}}
) are incredibly inefficient, and only work under certain circumstances. But your suggestion of "
is good to use directly in the |reason=
parameter as a workaround:
clarification needed --
Redrose64 (
talk) 19:43, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
"
method. However, the main factor is probably that people would not realise they needed to do either of these things (as I didn't originally ... I just remembered the feature had once worked, then noticed it didn't work on another tag I'd just inserted, and assumed it had randomly stopped working). Anyway, it's not a huge deal in the scheme of things...
86.160.209.138 (
talk) 00:36, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
It is very possible that all this whole " stuff be obsolete. I have fixed a bug like this in the Template:Fix-span last year. -- Nnemo ( talk) 15:54, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hi, I would like to request that someone changes the explanation of the "reason" parameter to read as follows. The changes are to document the new mouseover feature. Although I found the apparently editable "doc" subpage, I was prevented from making the edit myself by a "An automated filter has identified this edit as potentially unconstructive" message.
|reason=
Because it may not be immediately apparent to other editors what about the tagged passage is in need of clarification, it is generally helpful to add a brief reason for the tag: {{subst:Clarify|reason=what the problem is}}
(this is preferable to using an HTML <!-- comment -->
after the tag, as it is more tidy to keep all of the {{
Clarify}}
-related code inside the template). If the explanation would be lengthy, use the article's talk page.
As well as being visible in the source code for editors' benefit, the reason
parameter is, if provided, displayed when the mouse is hovered over the "clarification needed" link in the article. For technical reasons, this mouseover feature does not work if the reason text contains double quotes. Use single quotes instead, or use the code "
if it is essential to include a double quote.
86.181.204.203 ( talk) 17:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
One of the examples given in the documentation is {{subst:Clarify|reason=what the problem is}}
. It is unclear what the purpose of "subst" is, or why this example includes it and the others don't. I have used this template several times, with "reason" parameter, and have never used this "subst" thing, nor do I understand if, why, or when I should.
There is some discussion about this above, but it is way over my head. I think that the documention should explain, in very simple terms for ordinary users, why "subst" is needed in the one example and not the others. Otherwise the "subst" should just be deleted. 86.160.87.142 ( talk) 01:49, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
|date=April 2024
- the template is written so that a subst:
fills that in automatically. So, {{
subst:Clarify|reason=what the problem is}}
is exactly equivalent to {{
Clarify|reason=what the problem is|date=April 2024}}
--
Redrose64 (
talk) 11:04, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
I noticed some pages using a clarify template like
{{Clarify|date=November 2011|reason=<nowiki>This is not a proper reference citation. Use <ref...> inline in the article (see [[WP:CITE]]) to source the specific facts provided by this reference.}}</nowiki>
that displays like clarification needed which messes up the text after it
and displays extra end brackets (just search for "[ This is not a proper reference citation]" without quotes and you'll discover many pages using similar code).
The original code seems to be a substituted template (because similar code is used on many pages), but I can't find it. The problem would be solved if "(see [[WP:CITE]])" is replaced with "(see Wikipedia:CITE)".
{{Clarify|date=November 2011|reason=<nowiki>This is not a proper reference citation. Use <ref...> inline in the article (see Wikipedia:CITE) to source the specific facts provided by this reference.}}</nowiki>
displays like clarification needed which doesn't mess up the text after it.
Can someone find what template that clarify code is from and suggest this change there? - Xin-Xin W. ( talk) 01:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
There's a discussion related to this template at
Template talk:Clarifyref, as {{
Clarifyref}}
and its {{
Clarifyref2}}
variant use {{
Clarify}}
, and someone has objected to this. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ɖ⊝כ⊙þ
Contrib. 22:44, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Would it be possible to change the {{
Clarify}} template to work like {{
Circa}}, so as to enable the editor adding the template to make part of the article a parameter to make it unambiguous exactly what they had found unclear? That is, just as e.g. {{
Circa|1900}}
currently outputs "
c. 1900", so should, I believe, e.g. {{
Clarify|lots}}
produce: "lots
clarification needed".
It Is Me Here
t /
c 18:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
The current default reason says,
I propose it be changed to,
The primary reason is to make the text shorter (so the tooltip doesn't wrap as often), easier to understand ("in the vicinity" vs "near"), more accurate ("needs" vs "may"), and to add ending punctuation. Jason Quinn ( talk) 02:25, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi… I know this template has had a long history of moves, but for consistency, either this template should be moved to Template:Clarification needed, or Template:Citation needed should be moved to Template:Cite. In other words, either both should have titles that are verbs, or both should have titles that follow the format "… needed". Wikipedia—as much as possible— must be consistent in its format. — | J ~ Pæst| 16:35, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
{{
cite}}
when they should have used {{
citation needed}}
(
example); but there are also a lot of people who use {{
cite}}
in the full knowledge that it's a shorthand for {{
citation}}
, and these people would suddenly find that their carefully-constructed reference suddenly started to display
citation needed instead. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 17:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
I think I've just added the TemplateData to the documentation page, but it seems that to get this to take effect in a reasonable timeframe a null edit to the main template page is needed. As its fully protected, would a passing admin please do that edit? Thanks. Pam D 20:06, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
In the description of the "reason" parameter, it says:
This no longer seems to be true clarification needed so the text should probably be removed.
If there's a wikilink in the reason parameter, stuff doesn't appear and all the following text for a while is rendered in very small type and not word-wrapped. I'm adding that warning to the doc. Thnidu ( talk) 21:20, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
{{
fix}}
or {{
fix-span}}
: the |reason=
parameter is used to populate
the title=
attribute of a HTML <span>...</span>
element; attributes cannot contain links or any other markup. --
Redrose64 (
talk) 21:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Template:Clarify me has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
A protected redirect, Template:Clarify me , needs redirect category ( rcat) templates added. Please modify it as follows:
#REDIRECT [[Template:Clarify]]
#REDIRECT [[Template:Clarify]] {{Redr|from move|from related words|from template shortcut}}
Template Redr is an alias for the {{ This is a redirect}} template, which is used to sort redirects into one or more categories. No protection rcat is needed, and if {{ pp-protected}} and/or {{ pp-move}} suffice, the This is a redirect template will detect the protection level(s) and categorize the redirect automatically. (Also, the categories will be automatically removed when and if protection is lifted.) Thank you in advance! – Paine 10:40, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
To editor Martin: You previously lowered the protection of the above Clarify me redirect to semi-protected. If you'll also lower the protection of the Clarifyme redirect, I'll go ahead and tag that one with the {{ Rcat shell}} as well. Paine Ellsworth put'r there 15:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, the text of this template is a little long. [clarification needed] is wide, taking up a lot of space on the page. Is there any interest in shortening it to [clarify]? Thanks. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 14:49, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
The article contains {{
Caution|style=margin-bottom:1.0em;|Avoid using wikilinks. These can (and, with
. However, the documentation for |reason=
, will) corrupt the template's output.}}|post-text=
has an example with a wikilink. Is that valid? If so, shouldn't it be explicitly documented as an exception?
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 11:57, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
|reason=
and |post-text=
parameters are not the same, they are processed in different ways. Warnings that apply to one do not necessarily apply to the other. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 07:17, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
|reason=
is only given as an example. Shouldn't the documentation of parameters to which the warning does not apply explicitly say so? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Chatul (
talk •
contribs) 13:34, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:What ?. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 3#Template:What ? until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:11, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:What does this refer to?. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 June 3#Template:What does this refer to? until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:11, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:Whatthefuck. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 18#Template:Whatthefuck until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Hog Farm Talk 07:44, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
to '[clarity needed]'? pl2nmOdXlm7ykr0 14:54, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed a lot of users using the reason parameter without the correct name (which is reason=
). Can this be fixed using a bot or by renaming the parameter? –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄) 12:18, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
|reason=
, so why do you think that {{{1}}}
is correct? --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 21:49, 16 January 2023 (UTC){{{1}}}
, but using {{
=}} instead of =, {{codett|reason{{=}}}} correctly resolves as reason=
, although I would have preferred using {{para|reason}}, which resolves as |reason=
. There is no need to resort to <code>...</code>
.|date=
, |reason=
and |text=
. Were someone to assume that there were positional equivalents, why would they assume that the first was an alias to |reason=
rather than to, e.g., |date=
? --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 16:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)I'd like to propose supporting a "discuss" parameter, e.g., {{
clarify|discuss=Template talk#New parameter "discuss"}}
would link to the present section.
fgnievinski (
talk) 19:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
|1=
, asking whether, e.g., |date=
, |reason=
, was intended.. --
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (
talk) 14:27, 10 March 2023 (UTC)For short reasons current state is better than adequate.
If a discussion is necessary, a link to (already existing or newly created) topic on talk-page might be welcome and useful.
I understand that {{ clarify}} is realized through other templates that could/would be affected, so change is not simple. But other templates of similar type might benefit too if a parameter with a link to talk-page and/or it's section were possible. If such possibility already exists elsewhere, it might be much easier to add something like that here too. Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 05:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
{{Clarify|post-text=(see [[Talk:Example#Clarification needed|talk]])}}
. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk) 10:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)