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Would like to remove the documentation “content” so it’s just {{documentation}} and Template:R from modification/doc can say what it actually does. I already copied the existing categories over so they should still be applied.
Vadmium ( talk) 08:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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The following Rcats should be added to the R from modification redirect. The following code can be copied to that protected redirect:
#REDIRECT [[Template:Redirect from modification]]
{{Redr|from modification|from template shortcut|to redirect template|protected}}
Thank you very much! – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 00:23, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Template:R from modification/doc#Redirects contains several red links. I randomly checked a few for deletion logs and couldn't find any, so I am unaware of any TFD that may have led to the deletion of said templates. Should the redirects be created? -- SoledadKabocha ( talk) 23:36, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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The following Rcats need to be added to the Redirect from modification redirect. The following code can be copied to that protected redirect:
#REDIRECT [[Template:R from modification]]
#REDIRECT [[Template:R from modification]]
*WHEN YOU COPY & PASTE, PLEASE ERASE THE TEXT ON THIS LINE & LEAVE THIS LINE BLANK.
{{Redr|from move|to redirect template|protected}}
Template {{ Redr}} is a shortcut for the {{ This is a redirect}} template, which is itself a shortcut used to add categories to redirects. Thank you in advance! – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 17:59, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Two points:
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The first sentence of the "info" field (in "R from modification" template) refers and links to "R from full name" and "R from incomplete name" templates. Can the sentence be updated to use "R from long name" and "R from short name" instead, since the former terms redirect to the latter anyway? Jdaloner ( talk) 01:16, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
{{R from long name}}
and/or {{R from short name}}
are eventually seen as overflowing (a case can be made already), the natural thing to do would be to subdivide by those aliases and make them into real tempaltes with their own subcategories. At that point, all things with simply short but not really "incomplete" names would get miscategorized by people following the advice of this template, and so on. I.e., only names that are actually, truly incomplete should be tagged as such; if you just mean they're short, then say so. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 04:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)I've compressed the code a lot, at Template:R from modification/sandbox. Compare it before and after. Big enough change it's worth sandboxing this and seeing if anyone detects an error in it. Seems to work fine for me. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 05:26, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it makes good sense to make Rcats printworthy-agnostic if we're unsure, but it seems like any time I've applied this one, I've also tagged it as unprintworthy. What are some examples of printworthy redirects from modification? -- BDD ( talk) 14:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Instead of just using the opaque term rcat in the display that the template produces, please link it to Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. Thnidu ( talk) 00:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I propose that this redirect to {{
R from modification}}
[update: now to {{
R from alternative spelling}}
] be changed into an actual template, that categorizes into a new category that is a subcat. of both
Category:Redirects from misspellings and
Category:Redirects from modifications, for accuracy and tracking. We need to sort errors differently from valid alternatives. This will also discourage double- or triple-tagging of such redirs.
We have already done something similar with some other {{R from [error]}}
cases. E.g. {{
R from miscapitalization}}
is a real template, and categorizes into
Category:Redirects from miscapitalisations, a subcat. of both
Category:Redirects from misspellings (subcat. of
Category:Redirects from incorrect names) and
Category:Redirects from other capitalisations [in turn a subcat. of
Category:Redirects from modifications]).
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{{
R from incorrect punctuation}}
, {{
R from incorrect spacing}}
, etc. It may be simplest to redirect most or all of these to {{
R from misspelling}}
, unless we actually want to separately track them like we do with {{
R from miscapitalization}}
. And we should probably rename that {{
R from incorrect capitalization}}
(or capitalisation), for consistency and since "miscapitalization" verges on a nonce word (and one that many people would write with a hyphen after "mis").I lean toward wanting to separately track hyphenation errors, because it's often unrelated to more general copyediting cleanup and fixing of bad article titles, but a slogging through piles of article titles in a pattern and creating redirs for them. It's most often about confusion of hyphens and en dashes; for any article which properly uses an en dash in formal writing a hyphen redirect should exist (but usually not vice-versa) for people who are not familiar with the distinction and who thus substitute a hyphen for an end dash. That may even include most American journalists (the
Associated Press Stylebook followed by many newspapers doesn't use en dashes for anything, only em dashes in their parenthetical function, and replaces the en dash in its copular role with a hyphen, e.g. "Dunning-Kruger effect" or "Canada-Russia fishing agreement").
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SMcCandlish
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I've gone though the huge list of redirects to this template, and retargeted all the spelling-related ones to {{
R from alternative spelling}}
(including everything that's a variant of {{
R from alternative punctuation}}
, its more specific variant {{
R from alternative hyphenation}}
, and {{
R from alternative spacing}}
. However, this just shifts this "help! this mess is too deep to wade through!" problem from one category to it's already large subcategory.
I propose turning these three into separate real templates and categories. They're kind of a glaring omission, when we have already broken out abbreviations, diacritics, ligatures, capitalization changes, parts-of-speech changes, and a dozen other such things.
I also updated both {{
R from modification}}
and {{
R from alternative spelling}}
to point out that we have many more specific categories (capitals, diacritics, yadda yadda).
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Remove the duplicate period after "For example, the words may be rearranged". 185.19.249.90 ( talk) 07:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:R from incorrect punctuation. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 15:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
I am slightly confused at the distinction between this template and {{ R from alt spelling}}. Surely any modification to the title of a page is, inherently, a spelling modification? — WT79 ( speak to me | editing patterns | what I been doing) 17:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:R from incorrect punctuation. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 February 4#Template:R from incorrect punctuation until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 ( 𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 20:10, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:R from other punctuation. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 14#Template:R from other punctuation until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Mdewman6 ( talk) 22:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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As {{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{ R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{ R from alternative spacing}} have been created, please update the rcat's info param as seen below:
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|from=a modification of the target's title or a closely related title. For example, the words may be rearranged{{#if: {{{1|{{{reason|{{{of|}}}}}}}}}|. This redirect is a modification of: {{{1|{{{reason|{{{of|}}}}}}}}}}} | |from=a modification of the target's title or a closely related title. For example, the words may be rearranged{{#if: {{{1|{{{reason|{{{of|}}}}}}}}}|. This redirect is a modification of: {{{1|{{{reason|{{{of|}}}}}}}}}}} |
|info= | |info= |
** Please note that there are many {{em|more specific templates}}. Please use {{tl|R from alternative spelling}} for spelling changes |
** Please note that there are many {{em|more specific templates}}. Please use {{tl|R from alternative spelling}} for spelling changes, {{tl|R from alternative hyphenation}} for hyphenation changes, {{tl|R from alternative punctuation}} for punctuation changes, {{tl|R from alternative spacing}} for spacing changes, and {{tl|R from misquotation}} for common alterations of the actual quotation; see subcategories of [[:Category:Redirects from modifications]] for other options (capitals, abbreviations, diacritics, plurals, stylizations, transliteration, ligatures, different parts of speech, etc.). If you are unsure which to use, this template is fine; someone will make it more specific later if necessary. |
** In cases of modification from distinctly longer or shorter names, please use {{tl|R from long name}} or {{tl|R from short name}}, respectively. An abbreviation should be tagged with {{tl|R from initialism}} or, if it can be spoken like a word such as NASA and RADAR, use {{tl|R from acronym}}. | ** In cases of modification from distinctly longer or shorter names, please use {{tl|R from long name}} or {{tl|R from short name}}, respectively. An abbreviation should be tagged with {{tl|R from initialism}} or, if it can be spoken like a word such as NASA and RADAR, use {{tl|R from acronym}}. |
** Use this [[WP:rcat|rcat]] instead of {{tl|R from other capitalisation}} and {{tl|R from plural}} in namespaces other than [[WP:Mainspace|mainspace]] for those types of modification. This may also apply to several other subcategories of modification; please check those templates' output before saving if using outside of mainspace. | ** Use this [[WP:rcat|rcat]] instead of {{tl|R from other capitalisation}} and {{tl|R from plural}} in namespaces other than [[WP:Mainspace|mainspace]] for those types of modification. This may also apply to several other subcategories of modification; please check those templates' output before saving if using outside of mainspace. |
- ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 14:29, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Please use {{ R from alternative spelling}} for spelling changes, {{ R from alternative hyphenation}} for hyphenation changes, {{ R from alternative punctuation}} for punctuation changes, {{ R from alternative spacing}} for spacing changes
SilverLocust 💬 17:09, 20 March 2024 (UTC)Please use {{ R from alternative spelling}}, {{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{ R from alternative punctuation}}, {{ R from alternative spacing}} where relevant
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Please merge the content of Template:R from modification/sandbox here (see the diff). This change adds the linking to pages provided in the first parameter through {{ no redirect}}, and also has detection for existing links that would break said template. Because of this, the code is a bit confusing with the parameter aliases, so please let me know if there is anything that could be done to improve this!
Assuming this is accepted, I'll also be implementing this change to {{ R from alternative spelling}}, {{ R from alternative hyphenation}}, {{ R from alternative punctuation}}, and {{ R from alternative spacing}}. ~ Eejit43 ( talk) 17:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
|1=
arguments would not be redirects and would be red links, if I'm not mistaken. Why would we want to link that parameter's argument?
P.I. Ellsworth ,
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put'er there 14:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
reason
parameter is a misnomer in the current implementation. I think this linking would be helpful, as it is usually only provided at avoided double redirects, where that linking is quite helpful (especially if {{
R avoided double redirect}} isn't present). ~
Eejit43 (
talk) 19:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)|reason=
parameter, we might want to just deprecate it, because it may have been used by editors, and those usages would be broken if we eliminated the parameter.
P.I. Ellsworth ,
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put'er there 20:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
reason
should be deprecated. Is there a good way to find usages of that parameter without categorizing pages? Not being able to use
Special:Search with redirects is a pain... ~
Eejit43 (
talk) 21:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Done * Pppery * it has begun... 02:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)