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I am reviewing the use of Wikidata in this template, and considering whether any other fields can be fetched. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Is there interest in adding any of the following identifiers to the infobox? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 21:59, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that these kinds of identifiers should generally be kept to a minimum in the infobox, because they are not human-readable. However I think country specific identifiers could be useful for lighthouses from those specific countries, and if the identifier links to a reliable source of information for that lighthouse (e.g. NGA) then that is quite useful for verifying details. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 11:07, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
If a lighthouse takes several years to construct (not unusual) should this field record the start of construction or the end of construction? — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 16:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
What kind of values does this field take? I would be interested to see some examples of it in use. I suspect it is not equivalent to source of energy (P618) (which would be solar power/battery for most lighthouses nowadays) — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 16:48, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
In my experience most uses of this field are using it incorrectly. The most common value is "solar power" or occasionally "mains power", which is of course not the "light source" but the "power source". I am proposing to add a new field to the infobox called Power source and get its data from
source of energy (P618). I will look into whether the erroneous values in |lightsource=
can be transferred over in due course. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 09:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
The infobox will now recognise some qualifiers from Wikidata. For example:
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Construction | wood (tower) |
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Markings | white (tower), black (lantern) |
yields the example on the right. I will endeavour to document these features shortly — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 19:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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I suggest merging Original lens and Current lens into simply Lens. If both fields are used then qualifiers (original) and (current) could be added automatically. If just one is used, then no qualifier is needed.
The reason is that if the current is the same as the original, then the infobox looks a little silly. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 15:53, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
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I have created a tracking category Category:Lighthouses using current lens parameter and intend to merge the two parameters shortly — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
| lens = Fourth order [[Fresnel lens]] | currentlens = 375 mm lens
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| lens = Fourth order [[Fresnel lens]] (original), 375 mm lens (current)
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 22:36, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I don't think CHS number (linked to Canadian Hydrographic Service) is an accurate name for this. The list of lights appears to be maintained by the Canadian Coast Guard. Editors have got around the issue by prefixing the number with CCG. I suggest renaming this label to CCG number and then these prefixes would be redundant. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
The prefix CCG on these numbers is now unnecessary. I have created a tracking category Category:Lighthouses with CCG prefix to find these for removal. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 12:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi, is there any interest in adding an "owner" parameter in the infobox? In most cases a lighthouse is owned by the national government of the site but an exception is possible. Regards, ... PeterEasthope ( talk) 13:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
|managing_agent=
, which displays with the heading Operator:. Since there are probably very few cases where the owner is different that the operator, exceptions can be handled by saying something like "(owned by national government)" after showing the operator.
MB 14:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)For those editors interested in using Wikidata to store the data for the infoboxes, I have been working on a tool to help import directly from the infobox template.
Adding |qs=yes
adds a link to
QuickStatements which can quickly import some of the data from the infobox. For a proof of concept, try clicking the colored arrow
on the infobox below.
It is not infallible! It needs to be used with care, and the results should be reviewed afterwards. Some known limitations:
|yearlit=~1880
would not work.|intensity=15,000
) will be truncated to 15.I am happy to report that the admiralty number in the template is now fully aligned with Admiralty number (P3562) on Wikidata. To keep them synchonised I am proposing to remove the local parameter and just use the value on Wikidata. This will be the first step towards a master plan that I proposed earlier in the year. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 17:32, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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Location | Ardnamurchan Point, Ardnamurchan, Highland, United Kingdom |
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OS grid | NM4158767473 |
Coordinates | 56°43′38″N 6°13′34″W / 56.7271°N 6.22602°W |
Tower | |
Constructed | 1849 |
Built by | Alan Stevenson |
Construction | granite (tower) |
Automated | 1988 |
Height | 35 m (115 ft) |
Operator | Northern Lighthouse Board |
Heritage | category A listed building |
Light | |
Focal height | 55 m (180 ft) |
Range | 24 nmi (44 km; 28 mi) |
Characteristic | Fl(2) W 20s |
We are grouping properties of the tower at the top of the infobox and properties of the light at the bottom of the infobox. What do people think about adding some headings to make the distinction clearer? An example is shown right. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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Location | Burlington, US |
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Coordinates | 44°28′12″N 73°13′32″W / 44.470028°N 73.225667°W |
Tower | |
Constructed | 1857 |
Construction | lumber |
Shape | square pyramid |
Markings | white |
Light | |
First lit | 2003 |
Focal height | 12 ft (3.7 m) |
Range | 7 nmi (13 km; 8.1 mi) |
Characteristic | Fl W 4s |
I have discovered that if two images are held on Wikidata and only the second one has a caption, then the template will give the first image but give it the caption of the second image! I will look into fixing this somehow ... — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 19:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I think image would be a simpler parameter name than image_name. The latter is unintuitive and always forces me back to the template documentation when I find that image doesn't work! I suggest the template should accept the image parameter as an alternative. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I have posted a request at WP:BOTREQ to remove several parmeters which are no longer used by this template. They are listed below.
— Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 13:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm thinking it would be good to have a section in the infobox for the history of the lighthouse, including all significant dates. We can bring the "constructed", "first lit", "automated" into this section along with other important dates like "commissioned", "electrified", "destroyed", etc. Of course they would need to be in chronological order to make sense. I will make a mock-up to see what it would look like. — Martin ( MSGJ · talk) 20:42, 2 April 2022 (UTC)