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Mahakal24 ( talk) 01:00, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Chandayoga upanishad doesn’t state ones varna is based on birth it only states the idea that based on past actions one will be born into a certain scenario your varna is not based on your scenario at birth but rather what you make of that scenario
Rishi Markandeya, with Vyasa, argue that in Kali Yuga there are not four varnas, but there is only one Shudra varna. "Mahabharata" (3.188.18, 41): ब्राह्मणाः क्षत्रिया वैश्याः संकीर्यन्तः परस्परम् । शूद्रतुल्या भविष्यन्ति तपःसत्यविवर्जिताः ॥ १८ ॥ ब्राह्मणाः क्षत्रिया वैश्या न शिष्यन्ति जनाधिप । एकवर्णस्तदा लोको भविष्यति युगक्षये ॥ ४१ ॥
Nayanar-siddh Tirumular also states that in Kali Yuga there is only one kula. "Thirumantiram" (2104): ஒன்றே குலமும் ஒருவனே தேவனும் நன்றே நினைமின் நமனில்லை நாணாமே சென்றே புகுங்கதி யில்லை நும் சித்தத்து நின்றே நிலைபெற நீர்நினைந் துய்மினே. 2A00:1FA0:C217:949C:714A:A9F3:BF03:9B54 ( talk) 10:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
In the Upanishads, varnas are determined not by the genealogies of people, but by the qualities of their personalities. Look in Chandogya Upanishad 4.4.3-5, Vajrasuchika Upanishad 5, Niralamba Upanishad 6. 2A00:1FA0:8217:A76F:904C:9520:C709:3736 ( talk) 10:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
From first hand experience, the line "The first model describes Varna as colour-coded system, through a sage named Bhrigu, "Brahmins Varna was white, Kshtriyas was red, Vaishyas was yellow, and the Shudras' black"." in the paragraph under the epics is being misunderstood/misused. I was in a 200 people seminar where the speaker used this sentence to refer to skin colour calling it discriminatory in nature.
The sentence should clearly state that this "color coded model" does not speak of one's skin color but refers to personality. White means pure which a truly learned person should be, red talks about power in kshtriyas. Yellow speaks of envy/greed in vaysas where as black denotes lack of knowledge in shudras.
There should be more detail about rajas, tamas and satvikta here to ensure that what these colors signify is not misunderstood. 2A02:EE80:4026:3004:9407:6B58:13B2:73CD ( talk) 16:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
@ Pepperbeast please provide the quote from your given source. And who is Mariola Offredi? is he a scholar? please provide a bio of him. Please see under WP:HISTRS We need academic sources for these claims. Thanks. Timovinga ( talk) 11:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)