This article is within the scope of WikiProject Songs, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
songs on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SongsWikipedia:WikiProject SongsTemplate:WikiProject Songssong articles
This article has been
automatically rated by a
bot or other tool as Stub-class because it uses a
stub template. Please ensure the assessment is correct before removing the |auto= parameter.
Article is unneccessary
This article doesn't hold any useful information. The info that is provided can already be inferred. -- FishStik 21:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on
Stay with You. Please take a moment to review
my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}} (last update: 18 January 2022).
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
this tool.
The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
No consensus to move; after extended time for discussion, the community appears to be moving in the opposite direction from the proposal.
bd2412T 04:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)reply
– Other song was deleted.
Unreal7 (
talk) 16:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.DannyS712 (
talk) 23:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Assuming that this is the only notable song this makes sense, note that I have added 2 other entries to the DAB and changed this to a multi-move. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 17:25, 23 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
In ictu oculi: the Lemon Jelly song has now been restored, given the comments about the notability of both I no longer support this and we should wait and see what views they both get or if they get merged/deleted. In fact that probably makes all of the support !votes now moot. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 06:47, 5 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. Looks like an easy decision.
Nohomersryan (
talk) 00:39, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose, when/what was deleted? Oh I see
Stay with You (Lemon Jelly song) which charted 31 in the UK, higher than Goo Goo dolls at 39, was deleted. More of an issue: GBooks search
"song Stay with you" refers to the John Legend song. The Goo Goo Dolls song charted 51, not exactly super notable. This is a generic song title with no notable song.
In ictu oculi (
talk) 15:06, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
@
In ictu oculi: if you think the Lemon Jelly song is notable why don't you make a request at
WP:REFUND since it was deleted via PROD you can. If you can establish notability of it then I'll probably withdraw my support however if none of the others are notable then
WP:SONGDAB would apply. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 16:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Or perhaps just prod the Goo Goo Dolls song. It seems no more notable than a song which charted lower in the UK than the LJ song.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 16:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per
WP:SONGDAB, only song article with this title, in fact it's the only article of any kind with this title. Any form of disambiguation is wholly unnecessary.
PC78 (
talk) 16:04, 24 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Not sure if
Stay with You (Goo Goo Dolls song) should actually have an article, to be honest. The article has no citations other than to chart listings, and I wasn't able to find significant coverage of it online. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 03:29, 25 April 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't understand any of these arguments against this move. Of the one article we have with this title, this is by default the primary topic. Concerns about notability are for AfD, not here.
PC78 (
talk) 19:10, 27 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Disambiguation is not needed when it is not disambiguating. If there is a debate over notability for this page or others that is a separate conversation--
Yaksar(let's chat) 18:18, 29 April 2019 (UTC)reply
What I'm saying is that the relative importance of various topics should not change on a whim, simply because one page happened to be nominated for deletion before another. --
King of♥♦♣ ♠ 01:28, 30 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per In ictu oculi, The Rambling Man and King of Hearts. With six songs listed at the
Stay with You dab page, the Goo Goo Dolls song is insufficiently notable to force the parenthetical qualifier "(disambiguation)" onto the dab page's main header. —
Roman Spinner(talk •
contribs) 22:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Support per
PC78. I don't even see a policy-based argument on the Oppose side. We're talking about the only use of this title on WP. The only reason there is a dab page is because there are other uses, but they're not sufficiently notable to have separate articles. --
В²C☎ 17:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)reply
I'll prod this song as it's less notable than the Lemon Jelly one which has been converted to a redirect.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 17:42, 1 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose, to obviate the required cleanup work when/if another of the songs listed at
Stay with You gets created. — Martin (
MSGJ ·
talk) 11:14, 3 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment LJ song restored, this discussion is now somewhat moot.
The Rambling Man (
talk) 12:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Note: I have Relisted this RM, in light of the fact that the LJ song was restored. --
DannyS712 (
talk) 23:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Not the primary topic as mentioned above by others.
Neodop (
talk) 12:24, 9 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per others. Two songs with articles, which have similar numbers of page views; on three days in the last month, the Lemon Jelly song got more views than the Goo Goo Dolls song. No
WP:PTOPIC.
I've struck my "support" above, now the other article has been restored that argument no longer applies and neither one of these songs appears to be more significant than the other. If people have notability concerns they should deal with it at AfD rather than trying to have that discussion here.
PC78 (
talk) 00:11, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
Yes I think (as I pointed out above) that given that the arguments no longer apply it would be better to close this as no consensus to move at this time and then once we have determined the notability of both (and any others) and we have view counts we can determine but I think at least we need to let the dust settle. Indeed if the Goo Goo Dolls song is deemed NN but the Lemon Jelly song is deemed notable we might have this debate in the other direction. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 09:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.