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Q1: Is the article biased against conspiracy theories?
A1: Wikipedia is a mainstream encyclopedia so this article presents the accepted version of the events according to
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consensus, after several lengthy discussions, is that it is appropriate to use the term in a limited fashion to describe the attacks and the executors of these attacks. The contributors have arrived at this conclusion after looking at the overwhelming majority of reliable sources that use this term as well as the
United Nations' own condemnation of the attacks.
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Should the “United States” in the lead be a link to the
U.S.’s article, being the first mention of the country in the page?
Jackvoeller (
talk) 04:20, 17 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Why, is it likly people will need to know what we mean?
Slatersteven (
talk) 11:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)reply
This is a global encyclopedia, we can't assume that everyone knows what the United States is. --
RockstoneSend me a message! 05:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Surely you are not serious? (Note: I live in the opposite side of the world to the US).
14.2.196.234 (
talk) 08:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Of course I'm serious. Wikipedia can't make any assumption about its readers other than that they are literate in English. --
RockstoneSend me a message! 05:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Anyone literate in English knows what the United States is. We do not assume our readers are completely ignorant of the world,
WP:SKYBLUE. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 12:47, 17 February 2024 (UTC)reply
It's the same concept. We don't need to link to the United States, in an article about an attack against the United States, in the English Wikipedia. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 14:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 9 February 2024
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Incredulous oppose. Because of the superfluity of "terrorist", that's why not. You prop up your plea for lengthening the title by citing
WP:CONCISE, which says "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area". Uh-huh. I suggest that "September 11 attacks" (i) is brief, and (ii) provides sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area. --
Hoary (
talk) 12:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose and
WP:SNOW close. There's no ambiguity with the original wording (at least not one that would be solved by the addition of the word "terrorist", as other attacks on other September 11s have also involved terrorists), and if sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area is the goal (per the comment above) I'd say that criteria is already met – this is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. I'm not sure how
WP:CONCISE can be cited to lengthen a title. — Czello(
music) 12:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
WP:PRECISION: Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that. As for
other articles with this name, this is ambiguously the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this title. A read of
WP:CONCISE, which was linked in the move rationale without elaboration, appears to solidly refute such a move. -
Aoidh (
talk) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose and SNOW close. There's nothing confusing here, and citing CONCISE is... bizarre, considering you're making the title longer, while clarifying nothing. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 12:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose This brings completely unnecessary clarity. In addition, the fact they were terrorist attacks is already mentioned in the first sentence, so any confusion as to whether it is a government attack or a terrorist attack is rapidly shut down during almost any readers first read through. On top of that, if the new title goes in the opening sentence, it simply clutters up the sentence by repeated information. In general it is an unnecessary change, and this argument should be shut down. I would agree with applying WP:SNOW in this case.
Lawrence 979 (
talk) 14:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Snow Oppose, the September 11 attacks are a widely known common name.
Esolo5002 (
talk) 16:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose- Common name and what is is mostly called
LuxembourgLover (
talk) 16:34, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Britannica as noted above. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 18:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above, the current is common and the proposed may be
WP:OVERPRECISE and less
WP:CONCISE, all just to emphasise the type of attack. DankJae 18:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
"At morning"
In the intro section, the sentence that begins "At morning," doesn't quite read clearly to American English readers. Just a suggestion that it be changed to "That morning" or "In the morning" or a similarly appropriate substitute.
2601:CD:4000:610:F435:89A0:E7C4:EA0B (
talk) 03:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)reply
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change in a "passenger revolt" to "what was most likely a passenger revolt" As it cannot be 100% confirmed if it was a passenger revolt or a malfunction of the plane.
Pinkgarfunkel (
talk) 20:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Reliable sources call it a passenger revolt, so that's what we go by. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 21:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)reply
New WTC *complex*
Second to last sentence in last paragraph of introduction implies that only Tower #1 was rebuilt and does not mention Towers 3, 4 and the incomplete Tower 2. Link to the page for the
whole complex and mention there are multiple towers on the site now - a lot of people don't seem to realize that...
Ee100duna (
talk) 22:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Building 3, 4, and the Performing Arts Center are mentioned in section 6.1; additionally, there is a link to the new complex at the heading section of that section. I don't feel like it's really necessary to mention these buildings in the opening paragraph. However, I do feel like that perhaps something along the line of "reconstruction of the World Trade Center complex commenced..." or something to that effect.
Butterscotch5 (
talk) 23:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Photos changed without consensus
I don't know who changed the photos in the Infobox, but the new photos look horrendous. I can't find any consensus in archive for this massive change, may we please revert back to original photos?
Cena332 (
talk) 00:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply