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Requested move 5 January 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus is against the move, with valid policy reasons. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 10:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC) reply

Plains Indians → Indigenous peoples of the Great Plains – There is a large plain in India: Indo-Gangetic Plain, and many people live there, they can be called Plains Indians. Editor abcdef ( talk) 11:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC) reply

Oppose. Plains Indians is the traditional, common, and resonant name for this group of people. A redirect from Indigenous peoples of the Great Plains works very well for those who demand consistency. Most Indians I know prefer to be called "Indians" not "Indigenous people" or "Native Americans." Smallchief ( talk 12:39, 5 January 2015 (UTC) reply
Strongly oppose ENGVAR and COMMONNAME both apply; Indian-from-India English contexts/meanings are not relevant to such a well-known topic/name in North America. This same argument crops up from time to time, as recently with someone creating " Asian Indians in Vancouver", which given Vancouver's aboriginal population has obvious complications of context. There was already a name discussion about this long ago; look in the archives, it was extended debate to establish this title. Indigenous peoples of the Great Plains is not CONCISE, and has the further complication that the Great Plains are known in Canada as the Prairies, though the term "Plains Indians" is still in general use for those tribes of people from this culture on the Canadian side of the border. Skookum1 ( talk) 13:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose I, strongly oppose this as I am an Indian living in Gangatic plains and we are called "Indian" or "Bharatiya" or "Hindustani" but not by any other names. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prymshbmg ( talk • contribs) 17:04, 5 January 2015 (UTC) reply
Comment if we remove all uses of "Indian" for India, then we could remove the confusion caused by "Indian", as India isn't the only place that it applies -- 65.94.40.137 ( talk) 05:43, 7 January 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose. Plains Indians is the common name of the Native Americans who lived on the Great Plains and is also by far the primary meaning of the term around the world. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:28, 15 January 2015 (UTC) reply

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Cleanup - various

@ Montanabw: why did you remove the thing about patrilineal tribes and marrying out? It's not like it's the only thing in here that's hard to source to WP standards. - CorbieV^☊ ☼ 22:00, 15 May 2015 (UTC) reply

It's an egregious overgeneralization, particularly in modern times - many halfblood children of native mothers are accepted as tribal members, certainly today and in the past as well. There was far too much cultural variation between tribes to keep that one. I felt that it was best not to tag-bomb the entire article, nor was it appropriate to blank everything that's uncited, but I made a bold call to remove the most ridiculous, stereotyped or overgeneralized comments. Anything sourced properly can certainly be reinserted, but I'd want to be sure people say things like, "tradition X was practiced by the foo people, but not the foo2 people". Just comparing tribes like the Kiowa, the Pawnee and the Sioux/Lakota, show dramatic differences in many family cultural mores. Montanabw ^(talk) 16:23, 16 May 2015 (UTC) reply

BQ-based enrollment is a separate issue from the traditional view. The former is more about the modern legal system, the latter has more to do with social and ceremonial issues in community. Maybe it's too complicated and unsourceable for WP. I can source it from two of the tribes, but maybe this just isn't the place. Especially when it's all we can do to explain that people aren't living year round in lodges and riding horses to work. - CorbieV^☊ ☼ 18:33, 16 May 2015 (UTC) reply

Yeah, you are right that it's pretty complicated. I would agree that two tribes does not a culture group make. I know that the Blackfeet seemed to be pretty willing to do the opposite - accept white men as family members, even if not necessarily tribal ones. Johnny Grant was a case in point. Montanabw ^(talk) 06:12, 17 May 2015 (UTC) reply

Requested move 19 December 2015

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The result of the proposal was not moved per discussion, as a descriptive name for a topic that has a common name.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 17:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Plains Indians → Indigenous people of the Interior Plains – Conistency with other Template:Cultural areas of indigenous North Americans articles. -- Samantha Ireland ( talk) 23:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose. Proposal would replace a common, comprehensible, historically-resonant title with a title that is turgid, lengthy, and has no historical precedents. Smallchief ( talk 09:29, 20 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose. "Plains Indians" is the common blanket term for these Native Americans. 64.105.98.115 ( talk) 04:05, 20 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose the proposed title is not used within academe. Montanabw ^(talk) 09:14, 21 December 2015 (UTC) reply
Oppose WP:UCN per the aboves -- 70.51.44.60 ( talk) 08:33, 27 December 2015 (UTC) reply

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i know a lot about them and can help. 74.102.70.139 ( talk) 21:03, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:14, 8 December 2019 (UTC) reply

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Woman wore knee-length, deerskin skirts and a poncho-like top was also worn with it. The men wore knee-length breechcloths which were decorated with shells and long fringes 75.135.119.145 ( talk) 21:47, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — IVORK _Talk 23:32, 10 December 2019 (UTC) reply

Page move

I was discussing with editors on another talkpage about this article's title. And we were thinking of possibly moving it to "Indigenous peoples of the Great Plains and Canadian Prairies" and keeping Plains Indians as alternate title in the lead. Many pages about Indigenous peoples of the Americas have been updated to Indigenous people or Native American. In this case, they weren't American citizens so Indigenous peoples is better title. Thoughts? I didn't want to be too bold and move it without discussion. oncamera _{(talk page)} 01:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC) reply

I totally agree, even if it's been half a year since you asked, but bearing in mind it took the Europeans ten years to figure out that they hadn't discovered India and that only in recent years questioning names has become a phenomenon - YES, please make the change. Flammingo^Hey 20:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC); reply

A name change of this nature has been discussed twice and rejected. The consensus is that "Plains Indians" is the correct name for this article. Smallchief ( talk) 20:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC) reply

Both changes mentioned were discussed seven years ago with very few votes. I wouldn't say that's a reason to not discuss a change today. oncamera _{(talk page)} 06:46, 13 June 2022 (UTC) reply

plains cree page needed?

why do all links about the plains cree redirect here, not even to the article on cree people? is there a reason or is it just that there isn’t a page for the plains cree people (if yes, should one be made?) MishchaytWiki ( talk) 01:46, 5 December 2022 (UTC) reply