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This page was another example of a half-hearted effort. I spent a long time fixing it up plus numerous others that were similarly not worth crap. I note someone changed my caption format, which I did accordinging to the most efficent and professional manner. It is time the Gods of Wikipedia adopt a proper Encyclopedia format instead of a massive paragraph full of stuff (and no, it DOES NOT HELP with a google search -- people come to QUALITY without without the need for gimmicks):
Name - dates (years only), occupation
PERIOD, NO MORE, NO LESS.
In the body put full dates and close anything done on a person or any living creature with a death date and, because no other encyclopedia does it and a lot of people want to know, (that's called marketing), make an effort to put in their burial place....DW
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Are there more pictures of his works??? And perhaps it would be a good idea to put the paintings he painted of nude people in a different section, because some young kids are using this as a research page!!!!! Smokeberry ( talk) 17:41, 13 January 2009 (UTC) Smokeberrry
The article says that the Renoirs had 3 sons, but the article only lists two, Pierre Renoir and Jean Renoir. Who was the third? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
207.63.115.200 (
talk) 01:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
= I'm quite certain there was only two son.
HawkSteven (
talk) 12:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
The article formerly read, "During the Paris Commune in 1871, Pierre-Auguste Renoir was arrested as a government spy. His life was saved when he was recognized by one of the Commune leaders, whom Renoir had himself protected on another occasion."
I find only one reference on the web (in English) to anything like this.
http://www.2blowhards.com/archives/000637.html - discusses an incident when Renoir assisted agitator, Raoul Rigault, but doesn't discuss any subsequent event involving Rigault.
A google search for +Renoir +Rigault turns up some sites, mostly in French that I can't read.
One of them, http://www.coppoweb.com/merson/chroniques/fr.commune.php , translated by google reads, "Renoir , was painting on the edges of the Seine when communards took it for a spy of Of Versailles and undertook to throw it to water. It had its safety only to his friend Raoul Rigault, a young refugee whom it formerly had accomodated and hidden in the forest of Fontainebleau." Which sounds more like a vigilante type action than an arrest.
So, I've tweaked that sentence to read, "During the Paris Commune in 1871, while painting by the Seine River, a Commune group thought he was spying and they were about to throw him in the river when a Commune leader, Raoul Rigault, recognized Renoir as the man who protected him on an earlier occasion."
Please change it if you have a reference that tells the story differently. And, please, add the reference.But I am still wrong no matter how hard I try!!!
-- sparkit 02:33, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
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It is a true story. You can read about it in the book "Renoir, My Father" by Jean Renoir. -- Killaferra 16:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe the name of the painting which is titled On the Terrace, is actually called Two Sisters —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.13.90.80 ( talk) 05:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
I've moved the reference to Renoir's painting as 'chocolate box' art to the footnotes. For one, it seemed slightly out of context, almost a non-sequitur. Also, I've deleted the 'derision' by Degas and Picasso because it is equally out of context, and a misleading characterization of their esteem for Renoir: the literature is clear that Degas was a friend and supporter of Renoir (When criticizing landscape painters, Degas was reminded that his friend Renoir worked plein-air, and he replied 'Renoir is different; he can do anything he likes'), and that Picasso admired and was influenced by his monumental figures, even drawing a well-known portrait of the older artist that in mood is anything but dismissive. In other words, the article which is cited is inconclusive at best.
Perhaps eventually an 'assessment' heading will be added, one that may include the popular but largely superficial interpretation of Renoir as merely 'pretty' (just as Degas is ignorantly viewed as the painter of ballerinas), as well as the profusely documented understanding that he was a whole lot more than a purveyor of candy, and transcended his beginnings as a decorative painter...though what we may take as a patronizing description would probably not have troubled him in the least. JNW 13:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
WP:CITE refers. This is a really nicely written article that in many ways is a credit to Wikipedia. The problem, though, is that there is not a single reference for the 'Biography' and 'Artworks' sections that form the bulk of the article. These sections contain many opinions and each need to be closely sourced. I am not suggesting immediate, drastic action rather that, progressively, we need to work through the sections sourcing or editing as appropriate. TerriersFan 18:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed re: the sourcing--I have provided cites for most of my contributions, (some involve biographical facts so well documented that they don't need cites) but many more are in order. JNW 21:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I have a source (not one that I would vouch for), which claims that Jean Renoirs biography maintains that due to rheumatism, his father painted with his penis. It is of course possible that he used both strapped to fingers and strapped to penis in diferent stages. I would however inquire politely if the following is a bowdlerisation, whether it is merely incomplete in that it does not mention painting with his penis, or whether the source I have got it wrong somehow, possibly a bad translation of the biography or something like that?
Quote: "He developed progressive deformities in his hands and ankylosis of his right shoulder, requiring him to adapt his painting technique. In the advanced stages of his arthritis, he painted by having a brush strapped to his paralyzed fingers." -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 09:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
In "Lady Chatterley's Lover, by D.H. Lawrence, the gameskeeper, Mellors, mentioned that Renoir painted with his penis. 65.185.168.236 ( talk) 05:33, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
This is a very silly discussion. There’s several sources that discuss the lengths Renoir went to paint due to his arthritis, and at least one source documented the technology he used to do it later in life. Viriditas ( talk) 01:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I suggest to choose a different file version of "On the terrace". Now, the File's name is "DosHermanas.jpg". It's obviously this one in Commons: [ [2]] The Second version is here: [ [3]]. (Both in the Category Art Institute of Chicago) I would prefer the second version. The colors are much brighter, i.e. the blue gown of the big girl and the blue eyes of the little girl. This matches reality better. (I've seen this painting a few days ago in an exhibition in Wuppertal). Perhaps we should delete the first version in Commons, too. Though I'm a newbie I'm not experienced with picture licenses and the technical handling of such a procedure, hence can't do it myself.-- 217.87.9.62 ( talk) 22:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I was curios if Augusto Renoir is aka Pierre Augusto Renoir. And I have The Woman Sewing, but it is not on his list. Is this one of his earlier pieces? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.227.125 ( talk) 20:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Please explain this change. Tomer T ( talk) 01:08, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
No mention of Jeanne Samary? Andy Dingley ( talk) 14:46, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
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Nice to know Renoir had three sons. But the paintings of the family also show at least two daughters: so what did they do in later life? And even if they did nothing particularly of note in the wider world, surely they deserve a mention? Seems like a fairly limited accounting of the descendants. Do we really need to perpetuate this sort of sexist view? Jest askin'.... Theonemacduff ( talk) 18:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I reverted the unsourced line describing Lucienne Bisson as Renoir's illegitimate daughter. The same information is in the Lucienne Bisson article, sourced only to a review in the NYT that mentions Bisson in passing: "There is also an oil painting, perhaps from the 1920's, of a Paris street by Lucienne Bisson, Renoir's illegitimate daughter, that nicely captures the heavy atmosphere of an overcast day in the city." If there's anything about Bisson in Renoir's biographies, I can't find it. I notice that the French article fr:Lucienne Bisson, which is better sourced, has a different genealogy and different birth and death dates. Ewulp ( talk) 08:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
Within the last two decades, there’s been a lot of sources published that provide a more critical look into Renoir’s life, particularly into his relationships with his models, his secret relationship with his child born out of wedlock, his sexist views about female artists, his fiery anti-Semitism in the 1880s and position on the Dreyfus affair, and the more recent modern feminist objections to Renoir. Some of this is covered by Jean-Claude Gélineau, Elizabeth Melanson, Catherine Southwick, Sarah Tas, and Barbara Ehrlich White, but there’s so much material it would be nice to have some helpful hands. Viriditas ( talk) 01:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)