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6-9-05: I added Coral Glades HS (Coral Springs)

Please refrain from adding external links in the list. Wikipedia articles are not mere collections of external links. If you want the link, write the article (and some people would be eternally happy if you, by preference, wrote the school district article, rather that individual school articles, but your mileage may vary). Flyers13 04:07, 22 July 2005 (UTC) reply
Perhaps every school in this article should be linked to the article on the school. And the chance that the school does not already have an article, it may motivate others to do an article. Pepsidrinka 03:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC) reply
I tend to agree. One Wiki'er has been bent on removing links from pages that don't have wiki's. But how are you going to know if someone's made a page there if there's not an existing link? So you've got some red links. But I've seen on other lists have stopped external linking completely by encouraging others to form the pages that are already linked. That's my two cents worth. -- Bladeswin 19:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC) reply

Other editors have also agreed that high schools should not be linked in this linst until the articles exists. Notice that User:Flyers13 wrote the comment above, and User:PRueda29 has also recently removed redlinks from this list. All those redlinks look really ugly. And having redlinks in this list is unlikely to inspire anyone to write the articles. Articles about high schools tend to be written by students at the school, and they don't need to see a redlink on this list to realize that an article on their doesn't exist. As there has been a default consensus for a while on not redlinking this list, I request that you not add redlinks without a thorough discussion in this talk page. -- Dalbury( Talk) 22:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC) reply

Redlinks are listed on Special:Wantedpages - what's the big deal? ¦ Reisio 23:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC) reply
I agree with Dalbury. A huge list of red links isn't going to attract anyone to start an article. It might even invite vandals to create attack pages for the schools by simply clicking the link and editing. Looking through other similar lists, the general uniformity is for non-linking. Linking every article would be as logical as linking every word on a regular article hoping that those that don't have a page would be created by a a reader. That's my two cents. -- PRueda29 / Ptalk29 / Pcontribs29 23:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I would like to disagree with you still. I know that you have removed others' wikilinks because they link to no page. However there are some good and very valid reasons for adding, and leaving these wikilinks.

1. Discourage external linking. If there's already a link going somewhere (article or not), people will be more apt to see that there is a need for an article for that school, and if they're active enough to add the external link, they may be active enough to create an article for the school they were linking for.

2. It's worked for other state's list pages. I saw this done on Idaho, New Jersey and Oklahoma for example. When I looked at these to remove external linking, there was none to remove. The reasons given in number 1 work.

3. How are we going to know if Joe Schmo creates a page on such-and-such high school in some county that happens to be on the list? Easy, we won't. I know, because when I started adding wikilinks, I found two that had pages written about them that no one linked to the list. -- Bladeswin 18:39, 13 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I still don't believe that justifies why the schools should be linked. I've done some research on your theories, and I've come up with these rebuttles.
1. Looking through the articles you've specified, specifically Oklahoma and Idaho, there is very little evidence that wikilinking each article has encouraged anyone to start articles on schools, with the vast majority of links still red. Also, these articles seem to be less popular than the list on Florida and New Jersey, and thus experience less bouts of vandalism and addition of external links. The exception being a recent addition of several stubs by one user to the Idaho article, though this seems to be centered on the Boise area and does not indicate the user began creating articles because of red links on the list.
2. Looking at the page history for the New Jersey article, it seems that regular users who watch that page remove external links as they are added, wikilinking has not prevented these external links from being added, but rather, those who watch that article have been more enthusiatic about removing them than those of us who watch this article.
3. Even though there may be school articles out there that exist and are not linked, it still does not mean that articles receive less traffic simply because they are not linked to this list. A user looking for a school will first type the name of the school or district before searching for this list. Also, I've noticed many links that are blue in the articles you mention lead to articles for schools with the same name, located in different states. For example, Freedom High School in the Oklahoma article leads the user to the wrong article, for Freedom High School in Virginia. Same for Union High School (article leads to school in NJ). Memorial High School, listed for Tulsa leads to a disambiguation page that does not list the Tulsa school with this name (note: I have now added the school), which makes us believe that many of those blue links are erroneous and misleading to readers. PRueda29 / Ptalk29 / Pcontribs29 00:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC) reply
I think the whole thing should be Wikilinked-- Jorfer 00:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The consensus here is to not link non-existant articles. -- Donald Albury 22:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC) reply
I will agree here understanding it contributes to the article cleanliness. - JP - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 01:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply


I disagree In response to Horologium's comment on 03:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC) on my talk page about a red link I added: Please see Wikipedia:Red link for information about when red links should be used. In this article, every high school should be listed and linked, with maybe a few exceptions. All High schools/secondary schools are regarded as notable unless encyclopaedic material is not available; see Wikipedia:Notability (schools). Even though an article may not yet be created, showing a red link will show editors that the article needs to eventually be created. Having a notable topic not being redlinked, makes it appear non-notable, and not requiring an article. These articles will be created, which will in turn need links, so they should be included now so the page doesn't need to be edited every time a new article is created. Horologium, you stated that "Almost all of the high school articles I've seen have been written by someone who attends or attended the school, which rather limits the potential for a redlink on a list to do much in this case". Who else knows the school better than it's members, and who says high schoolers can't write? If they write vandalism, it will be reverted. If they write something uncited, other people can cite it. We want high schoolers to edit wikipedia - they have interest in their school. Wikipedia is open to everyone, so there is no need to censor it for fear that someone may write something non-notable. As for link farms, there's no need to have external links in the article. Wikipedia is not a collection of external links. Red links should be included, and if someone disagrees with me, I encourage you to explain your views. -- Dan Leveille TALK 04:22, 2 January 2008 (UTC) reply

There has been a long standing consensus on this page to not link to non-existent articles. There is no particular reason to expect any listed high school to receive its own article. Some links to articles about high schools have been removed because the article linked to has been deleted. There is also the problem of guessing the title for the school. Many school names are duplicated in other communities (e.g., Robert E. Lee High School), and articles are created for schools using different forms of the names in this list (with or without 'Community', initials or full names, etc.). We also feel that that the very many red-links that would result from linking every school would make the list quite ugly. -- Donald Albury 00:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC) reply

Add information on schools?

Is there any information needed for any new schools in Florida? I think I can help a bit wih that.-- Ch ili 14 23:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC) reply

If you bookmarked this page, I would love it if you created articles on schools! Anything without wikilinks needs an article if you're still interested. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 04:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Wikilink City Names

I have a question. For Collier County, I Wikilinked the city names for some of the high schools in a set manner. I linked to the first occurance of the city in the list. As it hasn't been removed, I was considering linking every county in a similiar pattern. But as I know I'm not the only one watching this page, I figured I'd ask first and gather opinions. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 00:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply

No objections here. :-D -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 01:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply
For examples of the differences, the majority have no city wikilinks. At the moment Alachua and Collier Counties have my proposed layout, and Leon currently has Tallahassee wikilinked for each school. I propose a consensus unilaterally, just as external links are not permitted, the chosen layout would also be a rule of thumb. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 03:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply
Today I actively started implimenting this proposal I made from April...hard to believe I waited this long to start! I'll be popping in after Labor Day Weekend to finish up. Here's the methodology:
  • Wikilink the first occurance of a city in a category as [[Miami, Florida|Miami]]. (Miami and North Miami are different)
  • Check each Wikilink to see if:
  • Wikilink Exists
  • Wikilink doesn't redirect to a similiarly named city.
  • Accurate County the city is in.
I know it's anal retentive, but I think that it adds to the article and gives continuity. - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 04:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply
DONE! Woot. - Jake - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 23:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I didn't notice this until today, too bad, I could've helped. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 11:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Heh. No problem. The wikilinking wasn't bad. What was bad was finding links that went to other towns in another county, or to towns without articles. That was the longest part. - Jake - Bladeswin | Talk to me | 12:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I added / changed information!

I added my school, Bishop McLaughlin (Pasco) and Nature Coast Tech (Hernando) -- CanesOL79 03:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I am moving Forest Lake Academy from Orange County to Seminole County. Although Apopka is in Orange, the School is in Seminole (the discrepancy has something to do with ZIP Codes). 70.152.223.62 16:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I just did a major overhaul of the Naples High School article. I based it off of Gulf Coast High School which I also overhauled / created.

Magnet Schools

There are more magnet schools than the ones listed here unless you are only listing the purely magnet schools and not the shared magnet and public schools. Because I went to Miami Coral Park Senior High School, and I was definitely in a magnet program. Please refer to : http://choice.dadeschools.net/shs_listings.htm I brought this up at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Miami-Dade_County_Public_Schools too. Oh and Miami Coral Park Senior High School is definately not in sweetwater. Heartcoke ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply

I replied to you there, if it's not in Sweetwater then feel free to change the location. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 20:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Regards to Brevard County

As a student of Palm Bay High School, it should be clear for me to know what city my school is in, well despite the name, it is oh so not in Palm Bay. however in Melbourne. If you don't beleive me, just go to http://palmbay.hs.brevard.k12.fl.us/ and look at the address information. Still not convinced? Go to google, type in what you think the address is, and watch it change to Melbourne. Well I would be the first to change that section, however I do not have the wikipedian knowledge to do so, as in citing it and such, so if you're a smart wikipedian and you're reading this, please, please do something right and CHANGE THE CITY! Why Palm Bay high is in Melbourne, I have no idea. Check the wikipedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by R3445v ( talk • contribs) 02:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC) reply

I fixed it. This is addressed in the Palm Bay article and the Palm Bay High School article; I verified it at the BCPS website. Horologium (talk) 02:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC) reply

Union County

 Done. However, that article needs to be pared down and made less promotional. It reads like a press release. Horologium (talk) 23:44, 16 January 2013 (UTC) reply

New sub-sections

User @ Sstein25: has been creating sub-sections by municipality and moving linked schools into them. All public schools in Florida are operated by school districts that are co-terminous with counties. While many public schools may be located in such municipalities, the attendance zones for the schools have nothing to do with municipal boundaries. I am not aware of any charter or private school in the state that restricts attendance by municipal boundaries. I find this dividing up of school district sections by municipality to be unhelpful and confusing. I wish to revert all such changes made by Sstein25, but will wait to see how other interested editors feel. - Donald Albury 18:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC) reply

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