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It should be noted that Lord Randolph Churchill had contracted the syphillis that killed him at the age of 45 prior to marrying Jennie. This inclines one to believe that "Randy" (as he was ironically known) was not Jack's father, since Jennie would presumably cease having sex with her husband immediately upon discovering that he was syphallitic. Besides, 56 isn't so remarkably old to father a child with a young and fertile woman.
Oh, and what the Churchills were doing in Ireland was that they had to leave England after Randy deeply offended the Prince of Wales by brandishing a stack of the latter's love letters to one of his early mistresses. Dick Kimball ( talk) 20:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
It should be noted that the Halls' always believed there was Iroquois blood in their family.Sometimes it's difficult determining who was Indian or not.The fact that the Hall family admitted it (before it was "trendy" to claim American Indian ancestry) should be taken into consideration. Jennie, in fact looks far more Indian than most celebrities claiming it today. jeanne ( talk) 15:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
I now want to eat my words about Jack Churchill's parentage. Having seen a photo of Jack and Winston together, the family resemblance is so strong that I now doubt that they might have had different fathers. Dick Kimball ( talk) 13:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It's ironic that despite the wikipedia entry "citing" Anne Sebba's recent biography on Jennie Churchill, this section is riddled with rumors, not fact. It really needs to be cleaned up. NoirFemme ( talk) 9:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Lord Randolph Churchill was the third son of the Duke of Marlborough, not the second son. Dick Kimball ( talk) 19:27, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
According to her 1969 biography, Lady Randolph Churchill, by her niece, Anita Leslie, Jennette "Jennie" Jerome was the second of Leonard Jerome's three (not four) daughters: Clara, Jennie, and Leonie, in that order. I also definitely think it's worth mentioning that Leonard owned The New York Times. Dick Kimball ( talk) 13:16, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
According to Winston Churchill in "My Early Life" His mother Jennette Jerome was born in Rochester, NY not Brooklyn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.69.100.56 ( talk) 14:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
The New York Times in 1899 also claims that Lady Churchill was born in Rochester, though most other sources claim Brooklyn. There is also some confusion over the date. There used to be a link to the Times article in the main article, which has been removed. Some reference to this debate should be included in this article. This site gets at some of the debate: http://www.hmdb.org/marker.asp?marker=18318 as does this book: http://books.google.com/books?id=Zh4t6QtruF8C&pg=PT682&lpg=PT682&dq=Jeanette+Jerome+birth+rochester&source=bl&ots=H2zm9hg04z&sig=jN7Jt25CpJh6kNc0jyhS__48Uhk&hl=en&ei=aw8vTY2ZJcSt8Abm6YDbCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.95.126.178 ( talk) 14:48, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
Given that I would venture to say that her number one claim to fame is her being the mother of Winston Churchill, I think a greater elaboration of her rather dysfunctional relationship with him would be appropriate. 152.15.161.242 ( talk) 18:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I Should have thought that some of the more outradious claim made in this article should be presented alongside some for of evidence before posted in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.91.226 ( talk) 16:03, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
There seems to be some dispute over Lady Randolph's birthplace. In her autobiography, she clearly states she was born in Brooklyn. Blake McKelvey's Rochester: A Panoramic History ( ISBN 978-1892724243) indicates that there has been some confusion over the years: "A tradition, confusing Jenny with one of her cousins, that she had been born in Rochester and attended school here (though refuted in her autobiography) was widely enough held to persuade the University of Rochester to confer an LL.D. on Winston in 1942."
On the other hand, Leonard Jerome, Jennie's father, is said in the same book to have moved to Brooklyn in 1856, which is two years after this article indicates she was born. If that's true, then she was born in Rochester but not schooled there, which fits with the quoted sentence but flatly contradicts Jennie's own autobiography.
I think we can agree she was raised and schooled in Brooklyn; if she ever lived in Rochester, it was likely for less than three years. But on the question of whether she was born in Rochester, I'm not sure how to resolve it.
Thoughts? -- Powers T 20:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
We currently say 9 June, as do most of the other interlang WPs, and various external sources.
But there seems substantial evidence she died on 29 June, including:
I'm inclined to change it to 29 June, but the number of opposing sources is substantial enough for me to raise the matter here first for comment and discussion. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 13:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
I've removed the unreferenced claim that one of Lady Randolph's lovers was King Milan I of Serbia and added another lover who at least is cited in Manchester. I simply don't have a reputable source to hand that cites King Milan. If anyone does, please add him him back, although I think the three lovers cited is an adequate sample. Welham66 ( talk) 13:07, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Try these sources about Lady Randolph & King Milan Churchill College Cambridge Acquired Papers. Letters to Lady Randolph Churchill from various correspondents. 1. http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%2028%2F54%2F34 "Telegram from Milan [King of Serbia](Belgrade [Serbia]) to Lady Randolph [Churchill]. Torn in half. 1895" 2. http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%2028%2F54%2F35 "Telegram from Milan [King of Serbia](Regent Street [London]) to Lady Randolph [Churchill] wishing her a happy new year. 1895" 3. http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%2028%2F59%2F19 Telegram from [King] Milan [of Serbia] (Paris [France]) to Lady Randolph Churchill expressing sympathy [on the death of Lord Randolph Churchill]. 4. http://www-archives.chu.cam.ac.uk/perl/node?a=a;reference=CHAR%2028%2F101%2F20-22 a dinner hosted by Milan [King of Serbia] for Clara [Frewen, earlier Clara Jerome]; 5. Google Books: The Titled Americans http://books.google.rs/books?id=YY-xRA4qOekC&pg=PA446&lpg=PA446&dq=Lady+Randolph+Churchill+serbian+king+milan&source=bl&ots=GyAcMoLUEs&sig=6OgQvLs67rzMD_shcLHH6yFtDVE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hr4zUf65HoPUtQbN4YCIDQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=king%20milan&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.101.189.78 ( talk) 21:23, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure which sources to rely upon on the issue of the spelling of Montague or Montagu Phippen Porch. Another editor corrected from the former to the latter recently. I had adopted the spelling in Mary Lovell's 2011 book about The Churchills. I assumed I must be in error when I checked that 'Montagu' is indeed the spelling in sources such as Martin Gilbert and William Manchester. Then, I checked around the web. On this site we have the article Robert Porch where the 'e' is used, documented by a genealogical site link. Another genealogical site, which looks reputable, also includes the 'e': http://www.thepeerage.com/p10620.htm#i106195 There appear to be reputable sources for both spellings. Can anybody help or suggest a solution? Welham66 ( talk) 13:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm going to have to answer my own question here because the issue of Montague or Montagu has been bothering me for the last day or so. I've found some time to do some deeper digging. The renowned genealogist Arthur Charles Fox-Davies, in his 'Armorial Families: A directory of gentlemen of coat-armour Vol. 2, Here, has Montagu. So does the British Government National Archives, in its catalogue entry for the British Army 'medal card' of Porch, Montagu P, Intelligence Officer, Attached Nigeria Regiment Here These authorities, plus authors of the reputation of William Manchester and Martin Gilbert are unlikely to be wrong. If you look at the web, by my estimate at least half of the references to Porch I've stumbled across over a sample of 50 or so, use 'Montague'. I suspect it is simply because the misspelling is such an understandable one and once it becomes embedded in so many popular genealogy sites, it goes viral, with no disrespect to these interesting sites intended. Thanks to JamesD'Alexander for correcting the article on this point. Welham66 ( talk) 14:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, her entire "legacy", apart from being the mother of Winston Churchill, is that she named a drink. And that story has been debunked as impossible. Therefore, I recommend that this entire article be deleted as this person is not noteworthy, and does not meet the Wikipedia standard for noteworthy persons. She did nothing in her lifetime that would merit an article in Wikipedia. 98.194.39.86 ( talk) 10:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
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According to Lady Randolph's biographical entry on Encyclopaedia Britannica , her name was given as "Jeanette", and was later abbreviated to "Jennie". For further information check out this link: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jennie-Jerome-Churchill.
Thus, based on the information provided by that biographical entry, I believe it is right to refer to Lady Randolph as "Jeanette". However, it could be argued that she was known throughout her life as "Jennie". So I suggest that Lady Randolph's original name (Jeanette) be mentioned on the Wikipedia page that is referring to her and not be wholly omitted, as is now the case. A solution for that matter could be that we mention once that her original name was "Jeanette Jerome", but she was commonly known as "Jennie Jerome", in order to provide better information. So, the best solution for me would be that Lady Randolph's name written in bold letters at the beginning of the article be "Jeanette (Jennie), Lady Randolph Spencer-Churchill", (née Jeanette (Jennie) Jerome). Yours sincerely. DukeofCleveland DukeofCleveland ( talk) 22:27, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
She was poor after the death of Lord Randolph??? 72.49.111.86 ( talk) 13:08, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
I’ve heard mention she may have been a mistress of Edward VII, and she is even placed in a Wikipedia category of such mistresses. Yet no mention of it is made in the article. SecretName101 ( talk) 06:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Letters written by Edward to Lady Randolph may have "signified no more than a flirtation" but were "[w]ritten in a strain of undue familiarity", implying there is no certainty about it. If at some point an RS making it clear she was a member of the category appears, and if we subsequently add the information to the article, i would think it would be appropriate; otherwise, surely not. Happy days, ~ Lindsay H ello 12:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)