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Wasn't the mandatory firearm law in retort to a NJ city/county that banned firearms? -CasualSax
No. It was a town in Illinois that sparked, as we in Kennesaw like to call it, "The Law Heard 'round the World." I believe it was Oak Grove (or Park), IL.
Isn't it rather simple to post the statistics in the article and say truthfully, whether or not the crime rate decreased after the gun law was put in effect? I don't understand why this has to be ambiguous. 208.59.130.243 19:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Here is a link to the relevant FBI crime statistics page. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_08_ga.html
I'm not a statistician, so I can't parse the data, but from a quick search and scroll for Kennesaw the crime rate looks low relative to towns of about the same size.
To whom It may concern: What happen with the pre-european or pre-colombian history of Kennesaw without it this is not complete. In Spanish american regions the history is explained relating the available information of all the different Ethnical groups, tribes, nations or World powers that inhabited the area of the Article. Relating the history only giving facts of the European ocupation pictures the begining of the civilization as it started with the arrival of the europeans which is unaccurate and incomplete. Martin R. Rodriguez — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.98.136.127 ( talk • contribs) 03:29, January 29, 2006
I'm thinking of reverting the latest set of edits, which removed material citing criminologists who claim there was an increase in Kennesaw's burglary rate. Granted, I think those people are distorting the facts, and all evidence I've found shows that the crime rate is significantly lower, but that's my opinion. The facts are that qualified people haven't agreed on whether the crime rate has dropped, so I think all WP can do is present what experts say in both directions, and then provide facts for the reader to figure it out for themselves. That's the most NPOV way to handle things.
Unless someone can make a convincing counter-argument, I'm going to revert these edits soon. Bigpeteb 17:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I believe the entry under the heading of Legacy Park is a corporate plug; Legacy Park is a HOA run community, and has plugged in the Kennesaw article, not only in the wrong section, but with un-cited and opinionated information as well. I believe this section should be removed altogether. Ecstasis 04:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Read this paragraph:
Gary Kleck, a criminologist and gun-control critic attributes a drop of 89% in the residential burglary rate to the law.[1] Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime. (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners Foundation). This is obviously highly biased and "cherrypicked" data. Gun Control Critics, of course, do not take into fact you are 43 times more likely to shoot a family member than a criminal, and do not include any data on family gun violence, the majority of the gun violence that occurs. All their data is based on rare violent crimes against individuals from complete strangers. Studies show that kids, even those taught not to touch a gun, cannot resist picking up a gun when they find it and emulating the play they do with toy guns. A preschooler is 17 times more likely to die from an accidental gun wound in a state like Georgia, than in a state that controls their guns. The majority, if not 100%, come from guns in their home or a friend's home.
"obviously", "you are 43 times more likely" "studies show that kids" "a state like Georgia".
Encyclopedias are boring and factual, that's the sad truth. You can't go on the Hitler page and say "antisemetism is bad" in 10 different ways because it doesn't cite any outside work and it isn't relevant to the facts of who Hitler was.
If you're ideology is the correct one then the truth should be good enough...document the truths of your ideology with data and put it in a wikipedia article clearly meant to address the facts of gun law efficacy.-- Gtg207u 05:28, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
An editor deleted the following for being unresearched and unreferenced:
Noted: []'s added to denote not referenced quotes. Also, the above references(ref name="isbn0-472-03162-7")Hemenway, David (2006). Private Guns, Public Health. Ann Arbor, Mich: University of Michigan Press. p. 65.
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0-472-03162-7. ...a careful analysis of the data did not show that guns reduce crime.
(/ref)(ref name="isbn0-415-17087-7")Squires, Peter (2000). Gun culture or gun control?: firearms, violence and society. New York: Routledge. p. 82.
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0-415-17087-7. Later research, however, found no reduction in Kenensaw burglary rates [but not other violent crime] when the figures were re-examined over a longer time period.
(/ref) do not address violent crime or crimes other than home burglaries in their long term statistical review and may therefore be inaccurate.
I guess I didn't care much for the presentation of the material which could be improved. The "footnoting" of material just looks funny. Nevertheless, the book clearly addresses the Kennesaw situation head on. And is its own reference. So it should be restored, however removing the funny "explanation" at the top. Student7 ( talk) 23:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
A graph might provide a clearer picture by virtue of additional context: FBI's UCR stats for Kennesaw, and select others. It seems like the narrative that has Kennesaw benefiting from an extraordinary reduction in crime due to the gunlaw is built on a series of omissions. u n☯ mi 10:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Also - the page currently states "Crime rates declined from 2003 through 2008". And yet the page it uses for evidence has a chart which clearly shows that violent crime was higher in 2008 than they were in 2003. Plus, the source article starts by suggesting that violent crime in the city is actually on the rise and that rates for 2013 are estimated to exceed 2011. Perhaps the source article has outpaced the original statement, but the original statement certainly appears blatantly false now. I would recommend replacing the phrase with the introductory quote from the source article. Inkless ( talk) 03:25, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
The previous edit was changed in what seems like a highly erroneous way. While the last sentence might fall under WP:Crystal, the rest of the paragraph - based on past data, clearly does not. Now the text gives the opposite information from the original source article while removing any citation. Removing the final sentence makes sense, but changing the first two to contradict the source article makes no sense at all. If you want to make sure that the past data is being highlighted, the text could be made to read:
"From 1999 to 2011, Kennesaw crime statistics reported an overall upward trend in crime with violent crime increasing and property crime increasing."
And source the original article ( [1]). However, the current edit is giving false information again. Inkless ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
Also, the wnd.com article being cited in the Gun Law section offers no references itself and the numbers don't seem to add up against anything else. Kennesaw was never higher than the national average for crime, and the numbers for 2005 were higher, not lower. In fact, by 2005 overall crime appears to have nearly doubled in Kennesaw. [2] Inkless ( talk) 15:33, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
You are still saying that crime rates have risen, as do the stats. Yet a year later, the article reads as if crimes rates have been lowered due to the mandatory gun law. Stats show they have not and the article should read to reflect that. Inkless ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:35, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
And why was the "ironically a gun free zone" comment edited out, and then edited back in? The edit notes, correctly, that the cited source does not identify the Fed Ex a such. Plus - ironically? Seriously? That's not irony, people, and it shows the bias of the edit. Inkless ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 14:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Ths sentence, "Later research claims that there is no evidence that [the law] reduced the rate of home burglaries [in Kennesaw],[20]"
Whoever added the above line is clearly grasping at straws here. One, the cited material is not "research" about Kennesaw - it's a book. Two, opinion pieces don't qualify under wikipdias standards of cited material.". Might as well change his sentence to read "some author wrote a book that suggests the law didn't reduce crime, while there are also authors that have written books tht suggests it does reduce crime." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.194.216.173 ( talk) 22:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
As the talk above can show, this article has routinely either mischaracterized sources, removed sources, or accepted edits without citation to support the idea the Kennesaw's gun law supports David Kopel (a well known gun rights activist) and his opinion that "guns save lives". Despite the fact that Kennesaw may be "lower than the national average", the stats ( http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/georgia/kennesaw.html#.UVrxXqtASb0) still show that violent crime has been on the rise and continues to be on the rise. Now that there has been a mass shooting in Kennesaw, the discussion has increased importance and edits have already show to continue this bias by only giving the shooting a casual reference while emphasizing the importance that the FedEx building was "gun free", despite no clear citation to that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inkless ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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help) Another report observed a noticeable reduction in burglary from 1981, the year before the ordinance was passed, to 1999. A 2001 media report stated that Kennesaw's crime rates continued to decline and were well below the national average, making citizens feel safer and more secure.
"Crime Plunges in Pro-gun Town". Archive.newsmax.com. 2001-03-28. Retrieved 2012-07-12. The city's website says that the city has the lowest crime rate in Cobb county.
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