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The conclusions argued in The Scab section of the article should probably be removed right away unless some outside source can be cited who has published this conclusion. Claiming that London never wrote something because a search engine can't turn it up is pretty weak evidence. Is there a reliable source who tells us that London's every published word and quoted utterance is indexed by Google? And even if there was, then where are the Jack London scholars who say, plainly, that they do not believe that London wrote or said "The Scab" as quoted? Where are the recognized authorities who published their opinion that, "Generally London did not use demotic language in his writing except in dialogue spoken by his characters"?
Certainly it is an interesting theory, but Wikipedia is not the place to publish novel theories. Please see WP:NOR and WP:SYNTH. -- Dbratland ( talk) 00:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I changed the caption on the pic of Jack and Charmian in the "Second Marriage" section. The pic was taken at the old Winery Cottage (the London's home on Beauty Ranch). Here's a pic showing the porch (left), at the old Winery Cottage where the pic was taken:
-- I NEVER CRY 00:22, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
No part of the article even describes his writing style. I think we can safely call him a naturalist because the wiki article defines it as "a literary movement taking place from 1880s to 1940s that used detailed realism to suggest that social conditions, heredity, and environment had inescapable force in shaping human character." It also states that "Naturalistic works exposed the dark harshness of life." Another part of the definition states that "Naturalistic writers were influenced by Charles Darwin's theory of evolution." This constitutes at least a link and/or mention. An ideal solution would be to add in another topic labeled "Writing Style". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.195.54 ( talk) 21:15, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
This part of the article goes at some length describing incidents where London admitted to plagiarism himself and seems to have been repeatedly accused of it. Not a single source is cited for these allegations, not from London, not from any of the other sources. For instance, it ends with "London insisted he had clipped a reprint of the article, which had appeared in an American newspaper, and believed it to be a genuine speech delivered by the Bishop of London." It at no time cites a source inline for this statement, and presumes to take the point of view of London himself. -- ScientificBuccaneer ( talk) 04:25, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
In the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode Time's Arrow, Jack London makes a cameo as a bellhop with a dream to go to Alaska. This is mentioned on the page for the episode, but is this information notable enough to be included on Jack London? Raxicoricofallapatorius ( talk) 03:13, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Without getting into intergenerational debates... On the one hand, Jack London himself belonged to pop culture in his day, both as writer and as celebrity. He was a Stephen King, not a Henry James. And he made his splash in mass market magazines, which were a new media of his day. So, it would be inappropriate to be snooty about the pop culture and new media of ours. On the other hand... there needs to be a good citation to a reliable source, and Wikipedia articles are not considered reliable sources and cannot be used as citations in other Wikipedia articles. And I looked for, but could not find, any citation in Time's Arrow (Star Trek: The Next Generation) backing up the statement that Jack London appeared as a character in that episode. If there had been one, it could be copied here, but I don't see one. I would argue that it shouldn't go into this article without proper citation.
Generally speaking, that's the issue with "popular culture" sections--they attract drive-by additions of unverified content.
If someone wants to put it in with proper citation, I'd personally support its inclusion, notable or no. If you like, Jack London doesn't appear very often as a character in popular fiction--there have been a couple of novels about a fictional or fictionalized Jack London--and that makes them mildly notable because they are rare. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Boimre ( talk) 22:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
From BOIMRE
CITATION in Star Trek, The Next Generation: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Jack_London"
September 4, 2014
Boimre ( talk) 22:07, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Psst! http://books.google.com/books?id=Ah1k_EsaOHsC&pg=PA214&dq=%22jack+london%22+%22the+next+generation%22+%22star+trek%22+%22time's+arrow%22&hl=en&ei=GJHBTuSYIIPY0QGPqJD3BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=14&ved=0CHMQ6AEwDQ#v=onepage&q&f=false Dpbsmith (talk) 22:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Would these do ?
"An Odyssey of the North"
http://www.theatlantic.com/ideastour/contributors/london.html
"Love of Life"
http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/LoveLife/
Dgharmon ( talk) 19:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
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Add under mother Flora Wellman: born August 17, 1843 in Massillon, Ohio
Babslm ( talk) 14:18, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Remove redundant in from "in in the same simple spot"
The 1938 book Sailor on Horseback by Irving Stone is a rather popular and detailed biography of J.L. I wonder why it is not listed on the main page. Thanks. NT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.175.222 ( talk) 02:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC) (" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.59.200 ( talk) 00:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
There is a date error here--"Presented as a historical essay narrating events between 1976 and 1987, the story describes..." should be 1876 and 1887, right? E. Kramer 12/24/12 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.38.11.226 ( talk) 04:48, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
Jack London is such a racist person D: Davidkim2106 ( talk) 02:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
It has an error referencing 1976, intended to be 1876, et seq.
Kdmoss ( talk) 16:26, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
This section is under-developed and rather supportive of the view that London, despite citable sources, was neutral or not racist. Now of course, Many of his era were racists and held views that were the product of Eugenics, but to more or less gloss over his real racism is a bit much. Protecting the cite to block the truth is also shocking. Case in point, he wrote "Mexico is an Indian country... Sixty-five per cent of the inhabitants are pure Indians; 15 per cent are pure Spanish, Americans, English, and other foreigners. The remaining 20 per cent are mixed Indian and Spanish... And it is precisely this 20 per cent half-breed class that foments all the trouble, plays childishly with the tools of giants, and makes a shambles and a chaos of the land... The 'breeds' are the predatory class. They produce nothing. They create nothing." Collier's, 13 June 1914, p. 13. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.159.78 ( talk) 00:49, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, London was upset learning about his father. But the resemblance was uncanny and he decided that Chaney was his father. He felt Chaney was cruel in not admitting he was his father. Source: Jack London A Life. Alex Kershaw — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrWellread ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Someone wants to restore an uncited category that would group London as having Bipolar disorder. A citation will be required. It is likely a
fringe theory since he was never diagnosed with that in life. In any event, it is most certainly
undue weight.
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Berean Hunter
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London witnessed animal cruelty in the training of circus animals and his subsequent novels Jerry of the Islands and Michael, Brother of Jerry included a foreword entreating the public to become more informed about this practice. [1] In 1918, the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the American Humane Education Society teamed up to create the Jack London Club which sought to inform the public about cruelty to circus animals and encourage them to protest this establishment. [2] Support from Club members led to a temporary cessation of trained animal acts at Ringling-Barnum and Bailey in 1925. [3]
References
As an editor of this article, I should mention genealogical research indicates the subject was my fourth cousin, thrice removed. Thewellman ( talk) 17:38, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
The first usage of "Goliah" is correct, but the second mention calls the short story "Goliath," which I'm assuming is incorrect. Can a logged-in user fix this, please? I am trying to log in after years, so it may be a while until I find my old account... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.54.166.226 ( talk) 16:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I am currently reading "The Collected Jack London" published by Dorset Press ( ISBN 0-88029-596-1) I came across a short story that I do not see listed on the main page under section 13:7. It's called Siwash. Am I miss understanding how they are organized? It's hard to find a truly comprehensive list anywhere. It was published in God of his fathers:Tales of the Klondyke 1/1/1906. I am new to Wikipedia and began learning about Jack and his work just months ago so I apologize if my question is of poor backing. Thanks.
Dmc10286 ( talk) 09:05, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Prior to his departure to Klondike he spent some time working in the laundry of the Belmont Military Academy. I will try to uplad the picture of the plate.
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Poetry...
I would like permission to edit the poetry list because it is not complete. It has errors and omissions.
The book that I published in 2007 The Complete Poetry of Jack London edited by Daniel J Wichlan, [I would like to add to the references] is the definitive collection of all verified and attributed poetry of Jack London. I am in the final stages of updating the book and adding another new poem verified and attributed to Jack London, which is of course not in your list.
As you can see from my notes on your list, there are numerous mistakes:
Poetry list:
A Heart (19) — [Written 1899—also should be second not first in the alphabetical list—submitted for publication 5 times that year]; Abalone Song (1913) — [Written in 1905—Should be first in the list—first published in 1913]; And Some Night (1914)—[No record of date written]; A Passionate Author to His Love (1902) — [NEW POEM—written in 1903—published under the name "puck" in 1904]; Ballade Of The False Lover (1914)—[Written in 1898—London also refers to this poem as "He Kissed and Rode Away."]; Cupid’s Deal (1913)—[Written in 1898]; Daybreak (1901)—[Written 1897—first published in 1901]; Effusion (1901)—[Written in 1897, first published in 1911]; George Sterling (1913)—[no record of date written]; Gold (1915)—[Written in 1897]; He Chortled With Glee (1899)—[First published in 1899]; He Never Tried Again (1912)—[Written in 1898 - in fact submitted for publication 2 times that year]; His Trip To Hades (1913)—[Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 8 times that year]; Homeland (1914)—[No record of date written]; Hors De Saison (1913)—[Written 1897 - in fact submitted for publication 4 times that year]; If I Were God (1899) [First published in 1899]; In A Year (1901)—[Written in 1900]; In And Out (1911) — [no evidence of this written by Jack London - should be omitted]; Je Rls En Espoir (1914) —[Written in 1897... Spelling mistake, should be "Je Vis En Espoir"]; Memory (1913) — [Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 5 times that year]; Moods (1913)—[Written in 1898]; My Confession (1912)—[Written in 1897]; My Little Palmist (1914)—[Written in 1898]; Of Man Of The Future (1915)—[Written in 1915—first published in 1959 in Russian]; Oh You Everybody's Girl (19)—[Written prior to 1915]; On The Face Of The Earth You Are The One (1915)—[Written prior to 1915 but published in that year]; Rainbows End (1914)— [Witten in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 4 times that year]; Republican Rallying Song (1916)—[Written 1898]; Sonnet (1901)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1901]; The Gift Of God (1905)—[Written 1899—submitted for publication 7 times that year]; The Klondyker’s Dream (1914)—[Witten in 1898]; The Lover’s Liturgy (1913)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1901]; The Mammon Worshippers (1911)—[Written in 1897—remarkable first published in 1978]; The Republican Battle-Hymn (1905)—[Written in 1898—original title without the "The" at the beginning]; The Return Of Ulysses (1915) — [full title: "Return of Ulysses—A Modern Version"]—[Written in 1899—in fact published 6 times that year.]; The Sea Sprite And The Shooting Star (1916)—[Written in 1899—First published in1932—original title with the "The" at the beginning]; The Socialist’s Dream (1912)—[Written in 1897]; The Song Of The Flames (1903)—[Written in 1899 - in fact submitted for publication 5 times that year]; The Way Of War (1906)—[Written in 1899—first published in 1906]; The Worker And The Tramp (1911)—[Written in 1898—first published in 1901]; Tick! Tick! Tick! (1915)—[Probably written before 1915]; Too Late (1912)—[No record of date written];
When All The World Shouted My Name (1905)—[No record of date written];
Your Kiss (1914)—[No record of date written];
Other matters:
-"The Acorn Planter" is a play in verse, which should be referenced as such.
Michael Linnard mikelinnard@yahoo.co.uk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redtree5577 ( talk • contribs) 17:39, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
London's autobiographical book "The Road" has its own wikipedia page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_%28Jack_London%29 It would be nice to add a link. 211.124.204.68 ( talk) 23:26, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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Please add a link to the "The White Silence" entry under the Short Stories section in the Bibliography pointing to the Wikipedia page about the short story ( /info/en/?search=The_White_Silence).
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1. Change the link for 1902 version of "To Build a Fire" in the footnote re Wikisource. It should point to http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/Uncollected/tobuildafire.html
The current link ( https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/To_Build_a_Fire) points to the 1908 version of "To Build a Fire," which has a dog, an unnamed protagonist, and an unhappy ending (he dies). In the 1902 version, there is no dog, the protagonist is named Tom Vincent, and he lives.
2. Also, since the 1902 version is not from Wikisource, delete "on Wikisource" in the footnote.
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For the "Legacy and honors" category:
In Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 6 Episode 1 "Time's Arrow: Part 2" In this episode, one of the characters named Data is transported back in time to 1800s San Francisco and has to figure out how to return to his original timeline of the 2300s. In the process he befriends a young Jack London who becomes inspired by an author to pursue his dream of visiting Alaska and to write about them. Craigsymonds ( talk) 10:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
I object to the inclusion of this kind of information in any biographical article. It has nothing at all to do with life of Jack London or anyone else. It is merely one of the countless thousands of times that the name of an historical person has been used in a work of fiction. The appearance of London's name in a bit part in a forgotten television series is mere trivia which adds nothing to our knowledge of his character or his life. SamJohn2013 ( talk) 19:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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Early in this description of Jack London, there is mention of his novel "Sea Wolf." It is described as being about life in San Francisco. However, this is not at all correct, as a visit to the Wikipedia page for "Sea Wolf" makes clear. I am reading the book now, and it seems to be set entirely aboard a schooner engaged in a seal hunt while the crew and two rescued castaways contend with a pathologically brutal captain. Though the ship apparently originated in San Francisco, the reader joins it as it is already out at sea. References to San Francisco are so far quite few and far between. 76.113.117.65 ( talk) 03:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
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Can Category:American socialists and Category:North American democratic socialists be replaced with the subcategory Category:American democratic socialists? Thanks, 142.160.89.97 ( talk) 22:38, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that during much of the Soviet period, he was one of the few United States authors translated into Russian and published there... AnonMoos ( talk) 09:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
A case is made by Helen Abbott (wife of London's grandson, Bart) that a fraudulent will caused his estate to be disinherited by his only natural offspring as the (likely) result of meddling by his second wife and a campaign against the London children by the curator of a gallery/museum. Details are on this site, http://www.lotter.org/jack-london-fraud/ and I believe additional references may be found in "Jack London and His Daughters" by Joan London, Heyday Books, 1990 - Joan London being one of Jack's daughters.
If these sources are encyclopedic, then they have important relevance to London's character and are notable additions to his personal life. The quoted letters, for example, show him as being both frantic at being separated from his children after Charmian's miscarriages, but not above using threats of disinheritance to persuade them to move to 'the ranch' to be close to him. They also reflect his state of mind before his death, adding weight to the suicide theory.
For those reasons, (and possibly some others I've overlooked) I believe something about it should be added to the article. However I have neither the subject expertise, the Wikipedia experience or the time to do this justice. Hopefully a more qualified Londonian scholar will consider it or explain why it must be rejected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calydon ( talk • contribs) 08:25, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
@ Quisqualis:: At Special:Diff/931776544, much of my previous two edits was reverted (with a summary of "ce", so I didn't get notification). Before I go point by point through my reasoning (which I have no problem doing), was this intentional? Thanks. —[ AlanM1( talk)]— 06:11, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
A pioneer in the world of commercial magazine fiction, he was one of the first writers to become a worldwide celebrity and earn a large fortune from writing.
This can be found in the German Wikipedia article:
"London also dealt with the emerging Social Darwinism, with whose founder in Germany, Ernst Haeckel, he was in written contact. London also received Haeckel's basic biogenetic rule, which is no longer considered valid today, according to which ontogenesis (in the narrower sense of embryonic development) recapitulates phylogeny (evolution). London sent Haeckel a copy of his paper 'Before Adam', for which the latter thanked the author. Later, London distanced himself from Haeckel and his racist views." https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_London#Evolutionistische_und_sozialdarwinistische_%C3%9Cberzeugung_und_die_Idee_einer_humanen_Gesellschaft
Furthermore:
"His 1908 novel The Iron Heel depicted the rise of fascism in an America eventually freed by a socialist hero. The Nazis burned this and other socialist-leaning works in 1933, but did not, however, ban London's adventure stories." https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jack-london — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8109:B00:4776:F4A7:E0C3:3C81:CB2A ( talk) 22:47, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
Can someone add something to note that he adopted his stepfather's surname? It took me a few minutes to figure out why his surname changed from Chaney to London since it is not explicitly stated in the article. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 20:32, 16 February 2020 (UTC)