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The plural of Himalaya is Himalaya (just like sheep is the plural of sheep) so is it possible to change references to "the Himalayas" to "the Himalaya"? The reason people say Himalayas is because they don't know any better and so revert to the English pattern of adding an "s" to pluralise a noun. Since this is a reference source we should be correcting the problem, not exacerbating it.
MacNab499 ( talk) 22:48, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Not only is Himalaya already plural without the 's', but it should correctly be pronounced 'Himaalya' (hima snows, alya home of). (I'd agree with changing the page name.)
I think the devanagari for Himalya is also wrong – I believe it should be िहमालया. Correct me if I'm wrong. Ian Joyner ( talk) 11:38, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I have added an explanation of the pronunciation on my web pages (which is why I was reading this in the first place):
http://web.me.com/ianjoyner/Ian_Joyner/Pronunciation.html Ian Joyner ( talk) 11:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Karakoram is definitely a distinct mountain range, and should not be included in an article on Himalaya(s).
The list "Notable peaks of the Himalayan system (includes outlying ranges)", even though specifying that outlying ranges are included, should rather concentrate on Himalayan peaks and K2, Gasherbrum I, Broad Peak, Gasherbrum II and other peaks located in the Karakoram should rather be removed from the list.
From a geological, geographical and mountaineering point of view, the four 8000ers located in the Karakoram are not considered as part of the Himalaya, which counts "only" 10 of the 14 8000ers. Is it OK to proceed to some edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pseudois ( talk • contribs) 14:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Himalaya/Himalayas - I'm alarmed that I see so many denied edit requests to change factually incorrect 'common usage' spellings, to the factually correct content, are contested. Wiki is here to deliver knowledge, not ignorance! Evey time a change like this isn't made, the guardianship of the English language is wrested from peer-reviewed English academics and succumbs to mob-rule. In this case the article title should clearly be Himalaya - with an note that 'Himalayas' is a commonly incorrectly used as a collective noun while Himal is actually the singular of Himalaya. THATS WHAT ENCYCLOPEADIAS ARE FOR!!! If/When the Oxford English Dictionary recognises that Himalaya has fallen out of use to the point they need to alter THIER entry, Wiki should follow suit - otherwise Wiki is working against the principles it is there for - we don't need a wiki that tells people things they already know - we want to lean things we don;t know - or in this case, learn things we thought we knew were incorrect. The Himalaya/Himalayas fact is exactly the kind of easy to swallow "starter for ten" that would get a kid reading the article - something they could go tell Mum afterward. Foir god's sake - have a policy where the technically correct term is used to tile articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.11.153.83 ( talk) 21:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
What are the Tibetan and Nepalese names and how do you pronounce them.
I think "Himalaya" applies to the entire visible expanse as well as greater expanse from Indus to Brahmaputra. For example all the snowy ranges you might see from high point along the crest of the Mahabharats (Lesser Himalaya) or other unobstructed viewpoint.
What if you are talking about a smaller subsection like the Dhaulagiris or Annapurnas? Could that be "Himal"? Could "Dhaulagiri Himal" or "Annapurna Himal" refer to the entire massifs rather than just Dhaulagiri I or Annapurna I?
The names of individual peaks often make it clear that they are peaks or mountains. For example Dhaulagiri means "white mountain". The suffix "chuli" (Hiun-chuli, Himal-chuli) apparently means snow peak. Then you have "Gaurishankar" (cow's horn). "Macchapuchre" (fish tail). Adding "Himal" seems redundant when peak-ness or mountain-ness is already built into the name.
There is another useful bit of Sanskrit श्रृंखला shrinkhalā is a range (mountains or hills, not necessarily snowy). Should we be using this?
It would be good if we could reach consensus on terms to use for a single peak, a sub-range or massif, and the whole range or the entire visible extent from a good vantage point. LADave ( talk) 08:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
In Notes, about K-2 has been mentioned that the K2 Situated On border between Xinjiang, PRC and Pakistan-administered Kashmir. Which is Wrong The Correct Is That K2 Situated Near Skardu City of Gilgit-Baltistan
INDIAN MAINLAND..... K2 or GODWIN AUSTEN is d highest peak within Indian Mainland and not the Nanda Devi........Similarly it must be noted that Kanchenjunga is in Sikkim which is an integral part of India.This makes Kanchenjunga the 2nd highest peak in India after K2 and before Nanda Devi..............It must be noted that there is nothing like PAK ADMINISTERED KASHMIR instead the right term is PAK OCCUPIED KASHMIR or POK.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.180.130.182 ( talk) 10:52, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
"However the Alleghenian mountains, formed during the formation of Pangaea, likely rivalled or exceeded the Himalayas in height.[4]"
This is a stretch- the article quoted suggests the Appalachians (Alleghenian) reached to "lofty Himalayan-type heights." It hardly suggests they were likely higher in elevation. This article from the AAAS suggests the Appalachians once reached the heights of the Alps- certainly much more Himalaya-esque then their current standing, though approximately half the size. The claim the Applachians were "likely taller" is probably dubious.
I would also further suggest the height of the Appalachians or other historical high-elevation mountain ranges is irrelevant to the current status of the Himalayas, particularly given the incredible scale of time since any mountain range has even come close to the Himalayas in elevation. It is particularly irrelevant given the intense difficulty in determining the actual height of mountain ranges millions of years in the past.
AAAS Source: http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2009/11/03-02.html?etoc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.100.250 ( talk) 21:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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Highest peak of Karakorum range.
should read
Highest peak of Karakoram range.
Ragfield ( talk) 21:29, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Interested to learn why you are using collapsed table in article body which is discouraged in MOS? Was there any consensus on this?-- Tito Dutta ✉ 21:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The tables are quite bulky, and would interfere with normal. reading. I moved them to their own list article. — hike395 ( talk) 06:05, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
The search term " Himalayan Plateau" redirects to this article, which is incorrect because " Himalayas" refers to the mountain range. The search term " Himalayan Plateau" should redirect to the " Tibetan Plateau" article because that is the Plateau being referred to. Please change this as soon as possible to prevent any confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Totalenlightenment ( talk • contribs) 08:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
First, some background. On 14 January 2013, User:Tigona, added material to Himalaya with 17 citations to a single author, M. Kuhle. The same editor added material to Karakoram with 18 citations to M. Kuhle. Since August 2011, Tigona has made 15 edits to Matthias Kuhle.
I found the added material problematic for two reasons. First, 17 or 18 citations to one author, with several citations per sentence, seems excessive. The purpose of a Wikipedia article is to inform our readers, not promote the career of a single academic. Given the editing history of User:Tigona, it seems likely that there is a conflict of interest here.
Second, I found the material added to both articles to be extremely detailed and overly technical, referring to many glaciers without providing context or explanation. The material has idiosyncratic punctuation and grammar mistakes.
To improve the articles, I sat down and condensed the material, rewriting it to be more approachable and correct, and keeping just a few of the citations.
On 30 January, a newly-created account an account with only one prior edit,
User:Adraen, reverted my edits, and restored the poorly-written material with the excessive citations. I suspect that
User:Adraen may be a
sock puppet of
User:Tigona, which is strictly not allowed under Wikipedia rules.
I don't engage in edit wars. I am happy to engage in discussion with User:Tigona and all other editors to improve the article. If we can explain the paleoglaciation of the Himalaya by referring to more than one source, and without excessive jargon, I would be very happy. Figuring out the best Kuhle references would be good, too.
But, I want any sockpuppetry to stop now, and I think it would be best to declare explicitly any conflicts of interest around Matthias Kuhle. — hike395 ( talk) 14:22, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I've undone the unexplained revert and asked the user to explain their concerns here. Please take any sockpuppetry accusations to the proper forum. Vsmith ( talk) 14:52, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your help and sorry for the last deletion! I thought the former articles about Karakoram and Himalaya have had a better structure within more informations about the past climate and glaciation during the Ice Age (Paleoclimate). Therefore I asked you to create a new rubric (title), dealing with the past glaciation. Adraen ( talk) 15:32, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
In the "Geology" section, the last sentence reads, "Thus, the climate was at least 7.0 to 8.3 °C (45 to 47 °F) colder than it is today."
The two Celsius temperatures correspond to the two Fahrenheit temperatures. However, if something is 7 degrees Celsius colder, it is not 45 degrees Fahrenheit colder. The Fahrenheit temperatures stated are the temperature equivalents to the stated Celsius temperatures, not the corresponding amounts of Fahrenheit degrees. Seven Celsius degrees is equal to ~12.6 Fahrenheit degrees. Correspondingly, 8.3 Celsius degrees is equal to ~15 Fahrenheit degrees. Therefore, the numbers enclosed within parentheses should be "(12.6 to 15 °F)".
Done The keeper of this page should correct the error. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.137.198 ( talk) 17:49, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
i think the picture that shows the location of the Himalayas needs to be modified, there are more accurate and specific pictures available. Nursingxmajor ( talk) 03:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
The current section about Trans-Himalaya#Trans-Himalaya currently says: The watershed between rivers flowing south into the Ganges or Indus and rivers flowing north into the Brahmaputra or mainstem Indus that flow around the ends of the entire range often follows somewhat lower, less rugged mountains tens of kilometers north of the highest ranges. South-flowing rivers form valleys in this region, often semi-arid due to rainshadow effects. These valleys hold some of the highest permanent villages on earth.
This does not correspond to what is (I assume) the generally accepted definition of the Transhimalaya, which is the range north of Yarlung Tsango (Brahamaputra) and not at the watershed between Ganges and Brahmaputra (which would imply south of Yarlung Tsangpo). The German WP has a good article about it. If there is no objection, I would propose to change the paragraph about Trans-Himalaya.-- Pseudois ( talk) 05:58, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Even though I noticed that this issue has already been discussed in several opportunities, with a consensus to keep the name "Himalayas", this really sounds as an aberration to stick to this naming. Currently most scientific publications in English use the term "Himalaya" without "s", which does also correspond to the naming in other languages.
I would strongly recommend to change the name to "Himalaya", and I guess it will just be a question of time until the most conservative voices will change their mind! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pseudois ( talk • contribs) 14:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Himalaya is a single entity just as Karakoram or Europe or Africa are.
Does anyone go to Europes or the Karakorams?
They don't go to the "Himalayas" either.
If the plural "Himalayas" exists, can anyone point out several instances of an individual Himalaya?
Of course not.
The correct term is logically & obviously "Himalaya".
Misspellings such as this only serve to lower the reputation of Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.101.250.143 ( talk) 18:30, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
The word Himalaya breaks down into Hi-ma: Snow and A-la-ya: Abode. When combined it becomes "Abode of the snow". Now, if you were to write a word to indicate several abodes of snow, the rules of sanskrit dictate that the word Himalaya remain as it is. "Himalaya" being a sanskrit word is not subject to the rules of English language. Hence, the correct form is indeed "Himalaya". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alxndrdegrt ( talk • contribs) 07:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
I have restored a neutral point of view in the first line of the article, which should not be used to further a particular opinion. Both spellings, Himalayas and Himalaya, have been used by various respected authors in the titles and texts of numerous scholarly works. It is tendentious to suggest that one form is correct and the other incorrect. Apuldram ( talk) 14:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Something is strange about one of the sections of the article on the Himalayas.
In the Ecology section ( /info/en/?search=Himalayas#Ecology ), a vandal has inserted "SUCH WOW MANY WORDS" in one of the sentences: "This diversity of altitude, SUCH WOW MANY WORDS rainfall and soil conditions combined with the very high snow line supports a variety of distinct plant and animal communities."
However, when I try to edit either that section or the main article, the intrusive words do not appear in the Edit text-box. How is it that vandalism can be visible, yet invisible to an Edit session?
Thanks for any info on this... Silverhill ( talk) 23:00, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Silverhill ( talk) 04:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
From the Hydrology section: "The Himalayas have the third largest deposit of ice and snow in the world, after Antarctica and the Arctic." yet the number given is more than 200 times smaller than the one given on Greenland ice sheet. Khrister ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:36, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
The Greenland ice sheet is in the Arctic. Apuldram ( talk) 20:35, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
I apologise if this is the wrong place for this question, but why say that the range 'runs, west-northwest to east-southeast' rather than ESE to WNW? Plarstic ( talk) 14:50, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
This article says that the Himalayas are adjacent to the Hindu Kush and the Karakoram ranges. But the Hindu Kush and Karakoram articles both say that those respective ranges are subranges of the Himalayas. Consistently with that, Geography of Afghanistan has the Hindu Kush, as part of the Himalayas, extending into Afghanistan, but this article excludes Afghanistan from the list of countries covered by the Himalayas. Any thoughts on rectifying these inconsistencies? —Largo Plazo ( talk) 09:44, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
HELLO Apuldram,the photo of mount everest seems to be unsuitable .We have to prefer the photo of south face of mount everest.Can we really not change the photo? Jojolpa ( talk) 23:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus to change the current image. Apuldram ( talk) 22:52, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. A consensus could not be reached. |
Please would people stop the edit warring regarding etymology/naming and discuss the matter here. Repeatedly reverting each other with increasingly hot-tempered edit summaries is not going to resolve anything, nor is spreading the discussion across umpteen user talk pages. - Sitush ( talk) 11:38, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Per this edit, the default form of English on this page uses American spellings, pending a new consensus. I could understand an "Indian English" banner, but (a) from the discussion above it seems like some editors would have a problem with that and (b) not only do the Himalayas range outside India but the topic is so important that it's more likely American editors and readers will be visiting the page anyway. — LlywelynII 02:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)