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Fortress of Klis was one of the Art and architecture good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
January 20, 2010	WikiProject peer review	Reviewed
April 3, 2010	Good article nominee	Listed
June 16, 2010	WikiProject A-class review	Not approved
April 21, 2024	Good article reassessment	Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article

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Clean-up

There should be a clean-up in |controlledby= in infobox... Looks awful. -- Edgars2007 ( talk/ contribs) 08:50, 26 April 2015 (UTC) reply

I've moved that list of rules out of the infobox, and moved the picture out of it into the body of the article, it seemed much more conventional that way. -- Joy ( talk) 13:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC) reply

GA review

This article has an uncited "Importance" section that was added after it was promoted to GA status. Is anyone intersted in getting it cited, or should be nominated for review? Z1720 ( talk) 22:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC) reply

GA Reassessment

Fortress of Klis

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 12:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Significant amount of the article, including almost the entire "Importance" section is uncited. Z1720 ( talk) 01:59, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Z1720 it looks like most of this "Importance" section is uncited because it was in the lead section, as it had been added in edits like [1] or [2] decades ago, but was then broken out in this unexplained edit in 2013, by an account that was later indefinitely blocked for other abuse (I found this using the "Who Wrote That?" extension). Maybe the logic of that needs to be reassessed first. -- Joy ( talk) 15:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Comment. I've re-integrated the old lede into the lede and edited it mildly for concision. The nomination does not appear to be correct that a "significant amount of the article is uncited" - can you clarify where exactly these uncited parts are, if you're standing by that?
While I'm not sure if it's GAR-worthy, the prose is not particularly tight, and it seems to have some Croatian nationalist vibes in parts (which I'm sure is in the sources, but it doesn't mean that has to be transmitted here - I removed a "Turkish menace" for example). I'd argue that would be a more productive area to examine and spruce up in this. SnowFire ( talk) 06:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
One thing I noticed as well was the quality of the supporting materials - I swapped out the top image immediately. The laundry list of historical years in the infobox also doesn't strike me as well documented or a good use of screen-estate. -- Joy ( talk) 10:46, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply
I noticed now that @ Edgars2007 noticed this in 2015 (!). I've moved it around a bit, is this better? -- Joy ( talk) 12:35, 24 March 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks to SnowFire's recent edit, I had a look at one of the main sources, the municipality's history page:

Listeš, Srećko. "Povijest Klisa". klis.hr (in Croatian). Službene stranice Općine Klis. Archived from the original on 2011-07-21. Retrieved 2010-05-16.

This archive link implies that the text was taken from a 1998 book called Klis: prošlost, toponimi, govor published by an NGO called Croatian society Trpimir Klis. It would be better to get this referenced to the actual work, which seems to be ISBN 953-96751-3-8, with page numbers.

At the same time, the current website's history link goes to this:

Firić, Valter (2018). Klis: Kulturno povijesna baština (PDF). Narodna knjižnica i čitaonica u Klisu / People's library and reading room of Klis. p. 112. ISBN 978-953-59767-1-4.

-- Joy ( talk) 08:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC) reply

I would request that this GAR not be closed too aggressively - I do think that this article could use a tune-up, even if not for the reasons the nominator cited, but it will probably take more time. SnowFire ( talk) 21:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply
Comment. I haven't had the time to come back to this like I'd hoped. I think this article has the bones of being in great shape and only needs some minor work to get back to GA quality - just some rereading of the sources and rephrasing, mostly. @ Joy:, would you have time to take a go at this? If not, I suppose I'd be fine with a reluctant delist-by-default. SnowFire ( talk) 20:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.