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Can we please move the Hawai‘i Independence Flag to a new entry of its own? There is nothing in the article referring to it except for the banner under the image itself. Furthermore, I don't think it's appropriate for inclusion in an article about Ka Hae Hawai‘i. A link to the new entry would be fine with text such as: "There is a separate Hawai‘i Independence Flag used by sovereignty organizations in Hawai‘i". -- Mordomo, 29 July 2004
changed a line to Union Flag not Union Jack. Still plenty of Wiki articles refering to the Union Jack when the flag is only known as a Jack when flown from a ship or boat . when flown from buildings etc its always known as the Union flag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.65.41 ( talk) 20:19, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Just because something is repeated often, does not make it true. "Union Jack" and "Union Flag" are synonymous. It is modern pedantry that insists on "Union Flag", which has no basis in history where the flag has always been called the Union Jack by common usage since its creation. See the wiki article on the subject... 82.38.193.11 ( talk) 21:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
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Is it? If so, we should add this remark to the Union Jack page too, cos that's clearly older. Andy G 18:35, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, going through the flags page and the Flags of the World, here are all the flags that I've found so far that are older than 1816 or so. I'm sure I've missed some obvious choices, so I'll add to this list if I can find more (or feel free to do so yourselves).
I'm not counting minor changes to a flag (such as adding stars in the United States' flag or putting the St. Patrick's cross in the Union Flag). I'm also not counting what the flag stands for (such as Turkey's flag) as long as it's been in continuous use.
The FotW's Adoption Dates of Flags is a good reference for this, but they list the date the flag was last changed, rather than when it was first used. Even by this standard, Hawaii's flag dates from 1843, and is still older than most:
Curiously, in this list, Japan's flag dates from 1999! -- Mordomo 06:27, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
...for consistency with the article lead. Since Ka Hae Hawaiʻi is problematic due to the okina not being supported by most fonts I propose the following: Ka Hae Hawai‘i which looks reasonably similar. At least it would be an improvement from the current title, no? Shinobu 03:56, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
This article says Hawaii was a British protectorate, but this isn't mentioned in the history of Hawaii article!-- Jack Upland ( talk) 00:28, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I heard that there was once nine stripes on the Hawaiian flag, but Nihoa was uninhabited at the time of the start of the Kingdom and for many generations prior, and it was, according to other sources, unknown to the Hawaiians except in chants and oral traditions until Kaahumanu and Kaumualii sail to the island and claimed it for the kingdom in 1822.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 23:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
It mentioned "The number of stripes also changed: originally, the flag was designed with seven horizontal stripes, and in 1845 it was officially changed to eight stripes. The latter arrangement was adopted and is used today." Yet there isn't a seven striped flag listed at all.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
What islands the seven stripe version represent is even a bigger problem. In this [1] it is mention that the seven stripe represent all the island under Kamehameha's control not counting the four ruled by Kaumualii his viceroy. First off what other island is there beyond Kauai to make the number seven and what were the four islands rule by Kaumualii.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 07:19, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
There should not be any discussion of the so called Kanaka Maoli Flag in the same article as the legitimate. historically known flags of Hawaii. The section that was there was so poorly written as to have been laughable. There is no historical evidence of any such flag ever. If and when its proponents can prove its historical bona fides, then and only then should it be included. Scottca075 ( talk) 23:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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where is the current flag of hawaii — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitsnitz ( talk • contribs) 15:56, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
A statement has been added to the lede: "It also inadvertently features the former flags of Montenegro, Serbia, and Yugoslavia, as well as the flag of Poland, though this is coincidental."
I'd regard this is excessive trivia. Unlike with the union jack, the resemblance to the flags in question are that they have stripes and use a subset of the colors. If this kind of trivia is necessary, we should include the Russian flag and the flag of France too, although one is rotated 90˚ and the other 180˚. We should also edit the flags of every state which has any green and include the fact that it include the Flag of Libya. And every flag which has red and white should note that it includes the flag of Poland.
I think this is a prime case that even if someone has a WP:RS stating it, it doesn't belong in this article, let alone in the lede. Tarl N. ( discuss) 18:40, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
There have been a number of edits recently changing Union Jack to Union Flag, under the claim that it's only called the Union Jack when it is aboard a ship out of harbor. My understanding is that concept (only being a Union Jack when sailing) is quite new, and certainly wasn't in place at the time the Hawaii flag was created. Comments? Tarl N. ( discuss) 17:44, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
The photo in the article labelled "Flag of Hawaii, 1816–1845" has 9 stripes. But there is at least one piece of evidence that the flag had only 8 stripes for at least part of that time. The site Hawaiian Kingdom.org ( https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/the-hawaiian-national-flag-and-royal-flag/) features a portrait purportedly drawn around 1819 or shortly thereafter that includes both the national flag and the royal ensign. The flag in the drawing clearly shows 8 stripes with a white stripe at the top and what looks like a red stripe at the bottom (the image is in black and white, but you can see the difference between the read and blue stripes in the darkness of the shading) ( https://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hawn-Flag-Adams-Collection.jpg). Should another rendering be added to the article with this color scheme to represent that the flag shown in the portrait was also used? It seems like this actual drawing of the flag from that time period would be worthwhile to inform an additional rendering on the side of the article just for the sake of clarity and accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 215.1.59.11 ( talk) 20:54, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
According to Hawaii Revised Statutes §5-19 [1] the stripes in the jack are a bit out of proportion in the main infobox representation of the Hawaiian flag. The width of the stripe with its borders is meant to be the same as the width of the horizontal stripes.
I've uploaded a new SVG that is in compliance but I haven't yet replaced the existing one:
-- Tymcode ( talk) 20:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
References
"Adams noted that in 1817 on his way to China he raised his own ensign on Kauai in lieu of a Russian flag as the king had no other." - Why would a Scottish captain raise a Russian flag? -- Hux ( talk) 16:06, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Tarl N.:, @ Hux:. I have clarified and added a bit more with more references but please let me know of any concerns. Mahalo!-- Mark Miller ( talk) 18:22, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
This source might be used later;
<ref name="quaife">{{cite book | last = Quaife | first = Milo |author2=M. J. Weig |author3=R. E. Appleman | title = The History of the United States Flag | publisher = Harper | year = 1961 | location = New York | page = [https://archive.org/details/historyofunited00quai/page/154 154] | url = https://archive.org/details/historyofunited00quai | url-access = registration }}</ref> -- Mark Miller ( talk) 21:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
And this;
"An adviser to Kamehameha noted that the Union Flag could draw Hawaii into international conflict, as his kingdom could be seen as an ally of the United Kingdom, and he subsequently lowered the Union Flag over his home at Kamakahonu. citation needed While disputed as to its historical accuracy, one account stated that in order to placate US interests during the War of 1812, a US flag was raised over Kamehameha's home, only to be removed when UK officers in the court of Kamehameha vehemently objected to it. citation needed This would explain why the resulting flag of Hawaii was a deliberate hybrid of the two nations' flags. citation needed In 1816, Kamehameha commissioned his own flag to avoid this conflict, which has evolved into the current flag. citation needed It was probably designed by one of the commanders of the Royal Hawaiian Navy (which consisted of HHMS Kaimiloa), former officers of the British Royal Navy, who advised Kamehameha, based on a form of the British naval flag. citation needed There is debate as to the actual designer: some credit Alexander Adams, others George Charles Beckley. citation needed"
-- Mark Miller ( talk) 21:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
At the top of the gallery of images there is an entry “Flag designed by Louis Agard…”
In my browser (Safari on iPad) I do not see any image. I have no idea how to fix this. William.quay ( talk) 15:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)