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There are two different birthdays on this page--I have been unable to verify which is correct.-- AlienMonkey ( talk) 19:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC) reply

± There also seems to be a lot of missing information regarding Báez's more recent work, exhibitions, gallery representation, and publications ^[1]. ArtLover11 ( talk) 15:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC) reply

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@ Netherzone @ CT55555 this was another Possibly project, albeit one they adopted after some major COI edits vs. created. I just had the chance to hear Baez speak on a panel and I feel like this article could cover her much better. I fixed some basic issues and then found this article. If you two are interested/have time, this could be a fun one for us to tag team on. Star Mississippi 01:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Excellent. I'll take a look tomorrow. Thanks for the ping. As you probably realise by now, this is exactly how I like to spend my time here. CT55555( talk) 01:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I do indeed, and so grateful our editing paths crossed. Have a good night. Star Mississippi 01:41, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the ping! I made a minor tone adjustment, and will look deeper tomorrow. Until soon, Netherzone ( talk) 03:27, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Hey y'all! Great additions to the page - just flagging though, the gallery section that was just created will likely have to be cut. The pictures featured probably shouldn't be hosted on Commons due to copyright restrictions. Báez was commissioned to create the pictured works by the MTA, which gives the MTA the right to publish photos of the work, as they regularly do on Flickr. But because Báez still owns the copyright for those mosaics, the pictures are technically non-free content as it was photographed in the United States (no freedom of panorama). Y'all seem more experienced than me in editing artist biographies, but I've run into this issue with MTA-created photos of art in the past. 19h00s ( talk) 15:19, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I am trying (badly) to create the gallery. I am no intellectual property expert, but are you really saying that people don't own the copyright of photos they take of the art? That seems very unlikely. I can take a photo of the Mona Lisa and own the copyright of that photo, even though I don't own the painting or its IP. CT55555( talk) 15:22, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ CT55555, I think we had an edit conflict which may be why the gallery did not format properly (?) @ 19h00s is correct that artists own the copyrights to their works (for a certain amount of years, I think ~70) even if someone else photographs the work. The photographer may own the rights to the photo, but the artist retains the copyrights to their original work. Netherzone ( talk) 15:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

But the gallery doesn't contain the work, it contains a photo of the work. I have no expertise here, so this is an attempt to understand, not me saying anyone is wrong. CT55555( talk) 15:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

It wasn't the edit conflict that caused the gallery issues. It's more my lack of skill. I'm leaving it up in the hope that someone can fix it, but if there is an IP issue, I think that should be dealt with via a deletion discussion about the file, not here. Right? CT55555( talk) 15:46, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Hi again! Yes, I am saying that the photographer does not own the copyright to these photographs. If a work of art is still in copyright, local laws govern the authorship and copyright rules for mechanical reproductions (photographs) of that art. In the United States there is no freedom of panorama, which is the legal principle allowing for people to publish photographs they've made that contain permanently, publicly exhibited, copyrighted art. You can read more about it on the Commons explainer page here. But in this case, Báez owns the copyright for the tiled mosaics that are displayed in the MTA system - the MTA published photos of those works, as is their right as the commissioning party. But the MTA does not own the underlying copyright to those photographs, as they are mechanical reproductions of the copyrighted works of art. Without freedom of panorama laws, photographers cannot publish images of copyrighted art without explicit permission from the rights holder, nor can they claim copyright for the photographs - clearly the MTA has communicated with Báez and she allowed them to publish these images, but that doesn't mean she has released the underlying copyright to allow other parties (Commons users) to publish these or other photos of the works. 19h00s ( talk) 16:08, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ 19h00s, could the image of the MTA tile mural public artwork be kept if it has a Template:Non-free 2D art rationale attached, and is within fair-use specifications? Thanks in advance! Netherzone ( talk) 16:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Definitely, if there's compelling or substantive discussion of one of the mosaic tile works, a photo could be uploaded as a non-free fair use image directly to English Wikipedia (not Commons). First though, they'd need to be sized down significantly to be in line with the non-free content criteria, in addition to several other rules and guidelines - I previously added the fair use image that's currently on the page, as there were no visual examples of her work, but that can be deleted if you want to add more info about the mosaics and then include a fair use image. Additionally, non-free images cannot be used in an article's gallery section - that's a system limitation to stop people from uploading multiple non-free images that aren't directly commented on in the article. -- 19h00s ( talk) 16:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

(and you're right to point to the deletion request as the place for this conversation, just didn't want y'all to put a bunch of work in creating a gallery just for it to get deleted) 19h00s ( talk) 16:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

OK thanks to you and @ Netherzone for the explanation. This has been a learning experience about the strange ways of US copyright law. I'll keep an eye out today in case the cops rock up to bust me. If this is my last post here, then it's been fun and I take full responsibility for my crimes. lol. Peace. CT55555( talk) 16:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

You two are wizards, you know that right? I don't know if we have barnstars for that, so I'm using actual words :D Thank you for loving art as much as I do.

If you're at all personally interested in her work, this is what I streamed last night which brought me to her article. Star Mississippi 16:04, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ CT55555, I left you a message on your user talk page about images, hope it's helpful.... Netherzone ( talk) 16:11, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the link to the video, StarM, and for bringing this article on a terrific woman artist to our attention! Netherzone ( talk) 16:16, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ Netherzone @ CT55555 you're very welcome. I'm not familiar with small axe and whether it's peer reviewed and therefore a RS, but I'm going to try and track down a copy of this article as it looks like it might be worth using if it's a good source. Star Mississippi 02:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC) reply

I have checked the list and there is no barnstar for Wizardry , lol CT55555( talk) 17:18, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

@ 19h00s, I swapped out the image of the MTA glass-tile mural with a small-sized fair-use image (within non-free specifications) for the larger image. If you have a moment to check the new image to insure it's the correct licensing, it would be appreciated. I think there is enough discussion in the article about the work to substantiate its use in the article. If not, I will improve. Netherzone ( talk) 17:47, 14 March 2023 (UTC) reply

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