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Beatification took place in Brussels, most exactly at the esplanade of the National Basilica of Koekelberg, which in fact is dedicated to the Sacred Heart. Please correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.55.86.201 ( talk) 15:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I have already corrected it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.55.86.201 ( talk) 12:11, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Why is Hawaii spelled Hawaiʻi in this article when the Wikipedia article it points to spells it Hawaii?-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 14:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thanks. I'm not American so I don't know - which is standard English in the US? I notice that the official website of the State has both forms.-- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 03:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
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Why are you removing the ʻOkinas on Father Damien's page? You understand that wikipedia allows them to use for any articles related to Hawaii and even other Polynesian languages as long as they aren't in the article title itself?-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 00:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The current See Also list seems overlong to me, and the length seems to detract from its purpose and add confusion rather than to add helpfulness. Some of the links have little or no bearing or relationship to Damien; one link is already in the article (and should thus be removed from See Also per WP standards); and one link is a subset of another link.
I personally think the See Also list should be cut in half. Alternatively, the list should be cut to the minimal salient direct relationships to Damien, and any added links should need to explain why they are being added and how they relate. Softlavender ( talk) 01:45, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Bigturtle, for removing the Wiki-myth that Damien's symbols are a tree and a dove. That complete fabrication was inserted by a trolling IP account in September 2006 and has since been picked up by the internet and even included in a recent book. Softlavender ( talk) 06:01, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more in keeping with the standard formatting on wikipedia for the name of this article to be Damian of Molokai? No other entry about significant members of the clergy use their clerical honorific ( List of Catholic priests seems to bear that out) and "Person of Place" seems normal for pages about saints.-- 98.216.52.105 ( talk) 02:10, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
While I applaud the editor's enthusiasm who made massive changes to the article, there were too many problems in the edits to pick through and correct them all, and also the article structure was better as it was beforehand. Therefore I've taken the liberty of reverting the changes. To the new editor to this article: What you are calling passive voice in many cases was not, and in most all of the cases was better as written, for logical flow and correct emphasis. Also, if you are going to make huge bold changes to an existing and stable lengthy article, you might want to get consensus on the Talk page first, or at least explain your intentions. In any case, as with all massive bold changes to an existing stable, lengthy, and formerly FA article, be prepared for them not to stick. Hope that makes sense! Thanks, Softlavender ( talk) 21:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I am the not-new editor whose changes were reverted, and frankly I think this explanation disingenuous. I started by correcting the lede's incorrect attribution of Catholic patron saint practices to Anglicanism, but came back several times yesterday while supervising problem updates on another computer, because this article's problems seemed pretty severe. While I respect that Softlavender's talk page touts her professional editing experience, the article has major problems, which is why it is listed as C Class. Frankly, I was a little surprised at the former Good Article status, but note that was a decade ago. For example, an introduction which describes Catholic sainthood standards seems to violate wikipedia guidelines, and does not create logical flow. IMHO, correct emphasis is not promoting Catholic bureaucratic imprimaturs, but explaining the person's life. FYI, I also tried to address this article's wandering style by organizing the various tributes to Father Damien, and wasn't about to touch the succession of long quotes in the controversies section. For what it's worth, I haven't taken the time to change my talk page to show the articles whose class status I have improved, but there have been several, including among saints as I come across them on their feast days. Thus, I did these changes after cleaning up the article for Marianne Cope, and I don't have time to redo them, just as I don't have time to correct another problem article, that this one seems to be descending toward, that of St. Thomas More. I am writing here rather than her talk page to express my disappointment with Softlavender's approach of reverting all my changes, a practice which I think inconsistent with numerous wikipedia guidelines, although filing a formal complaint isn't my style. Jweaver28 ( talk) 12:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
We have both versions even in the first para of the lede. Can both be correct, and even if so, is it appropriate to be using them interchangeably? I think the answer to both these questions is: No. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:56, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
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Reading the article on William Keolaloa Sumner, the colony's superintendent to replace Father Damien, there are accusations against Father Damien for acting with prejudice against native and Protestant colony members. None of this is mentioned here, and I would said that the criticism section here is not written to fairly weigh the criticism against Father Damien and provide rebuttal, but rather to discredit Father Damien's detractors on the basis of his being Roman Catholic their being Protestant. I will research further on this topic and do some editing. In the mean time, I would welcome feedback. Jyg ( talk) 06:08, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
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Some of the new edits being done at the moment are changing the meaning of existing text. Copyediting is fine as long as the meaning isn't changed; adding new material is fine as long as it is accurately cited; changing text to conform to RS and NPOV is fine as long as we follow all RSs. Please do not not however change the meaning of existing passages without cause. I see several passages where I am going to need to restore wording that was apparently shortened for conciseness or perhaps for NPOV but which actually changed the meaning of the passage without cause. (I don't have time to do this right at the moment; I just wanted to alert the editor[s] in question to be careful to avoid this going forward. Thanks.) Softlavender ( talk) 07:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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1.) De Veuster does not appear to be "...the tenth person in what is now the United States to be recognized as a saint by the Catholic Church." -at least going by the so-called source cited.
2.) The
List of American saints and beatified people does not belong as some sort of citation in the lede; "That isn’t using wiki as a reliable source, it is using it as a convenience cite for actual sources, at least for anyone capable of opening a link." -the "convenient cite" is already listed under See also.
3.) All in all, rather poorly written, containing an excess of superfluous verbiage, most of which borders on fandom, and periodic instances of redundancy, at the very least.
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talk) 22:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Now, I’d agree that some of the language is a bit too hagiographic, but it isn’t necessary to throw out relevant facts to tone that down. Qwirkle ( talk) 23:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
If he is primary heir because his elder brother entered religious life, then the point becomes moot when he does the same.
I see both uses in the article. Is this a point of contention or discussion? Personally, I'm inclined towards Damian, since Dutch uses "Damiaan". 84.199.96.25 ( talk) 10:20, 16 October 2023 (UTC)