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Does The Assembly need to be disambiguated, as it currently points to a synth pop band? (presumably one that doesn't perform at cotillions) Ziggurat 07:09, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I feel that the reference to the Hotel Crillon in the 'see also' is basically an advertisement and I am considering taking it out. Why should it be the ONLY hotel mentioned that hosts a bal? There are many others around the world that are just as important and grandiose (IE Waldorf Astoria for the international debutante ball for over 50 years). The Crillon does not even have a real ball. For less than 15 years now, it is a pseudo-debutante, meant to look like the real thing but the lack of any real charity(I have heard only 30,000USD in 2008), lack of sincerity by the participants, and the fact the the guest list is formed by a PR company in order to promote a host of products (jewelry, accessories, dresses, HOTELS, etc) makes this just a promotional event and not a genuine debutante. Please tell me if anyone prefers that the hotel stays and instead we just publish a long list of hotels of the world that feature debutantes? (Of course I don't have time to make the list... its easier to just exclude the hotel from 'see also' 178.146.82.203 ( talk)
What is any of this about? Why so many capitalized phrases? "Though the White American Society pays little attention to the Greater Contributions of the African American Social Orders and Fraternal Organizations.The African Americans recognize their own Sovereign Debutantes and their Cotillions that they themselves present.The Jack and Jill Society as well as The Beautillions that they themselves also present, are a Wonderful example of how the Fabulous and Marvelous plight and introduction of our Dear and Loved Forefathers" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.61.44 ( talk) 03:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
This is gone by now. It currently reads in United States > American debutante balls:
"The African American community has a long tradition of charitable events and activities since the early 20th century. A large portion of these activities happened during social events and formal activities, namely, cotillions and debutante balls. It was at these events that those African Americans who had the means to expand their wealth were able to meet with other successful African Americans, and make social and political and economic connections. These formal cotillion and debutante balls still thrive as a viable outlet for those seeking success to participate in one of the most traditional vestiges of the African American upper class.[9][10][11]" Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) ( talk) 11:11, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
what is a "representative family"? I've never heard of the phrase in the UK, is it common in the USA? Markb 11:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
See the discussion at Debutante ball... Mgcsinc 22:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
There was some shocking English in this peice. I fixed it. -- 82.36.205.181 17:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Recently I rewrote debutante ball to merge it with this one. I also added the illustrations. Zena Dhark…·°º•ø®@» 01:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Who can help with citations on this article???? Please Leave Comments Here I never went to my prom. ! Zena Dhark…·°º•ø®@» 05:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Why don't they have philippine debuts section? This is an outrage! *lol*
I re-added the previous Philippines Debut entry from a year ago. For some reason, someone took it out after a year. Anywho, it's in the article again. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
69.230.202.22 (
talk) 02:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The "Philippine" section of this wiki entry needs more research and citations, like the separate "Philippine Debut" entry. Also, I find the statement, "It is said that the number of débuts females and males have been involved in, as a cotillion member, serves as a mark of their popularity" absolutely ridiculous. There are a myriad of reasons why a host would choose a cotillion member, including, most especially, the availability of an individual (not just for the actual event but for rehearsals) and his or her capability to perform.
Sandra5482 (
talk) 04:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to note that the writing of the article is quite poor, but in a subtle way. There are many run-on sentences, and many places (especially towards the beginning of the article) where the writer is trying to phrase things in a complicated fashion without properly structuring the sentence. There's also occasional problems with tenses and plural words where it looks like two sentences were strung together that shouldn't be. While you get the gist of the meaning, it's choppy to read and it can be hard to really understand the flow of what is being said.
I think someone should go through it - not to change the content! The content is very informative. But I think it just needs to be rephrased so as to flow smoothly. People will enjoy it way more that way; it's a very interesting and romantic subject. :) Just a note to whoever edits these things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.8.26 ( talk) 05:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I am reclassifying this as a C since the references leave much to be desired. Crisco 1492 ( talk) 14:42, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Only at one spot in the entire article does it mention the age of the debutantes (age 21). I've always understood that in the U.S., at least, the usual age for a girl's debut is 18. I hope those of you with more expertise about debuts will go over the article and add specific ages where appropriate. ElsaObuchowski ( talk) 13:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Elsa Obuchowski 6/24/11
Actually, the article said in the US, debutantes are ages 16 to 19. Today, many cotillion clubs, assemblies, etc., are changing the debut age to 21 because the legal drinking age is 21, not 18 years old as in the past. Issues with liability and the age of the deb's escorts have played into this change that is occurring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.2.216 ( talk) 13:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 21:54, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Débutante →
Debutante – The article was moved in 2009 without discussion, with this edit summary:
The OED entry is now at [2]. However the two most recent citations in the OED both omit the accent. Merriam-Webster lists "debutante". [3] Google Ngram shows that the unaccented word is the overwhelming favorite. [4] Will Beback talk 05:07, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
Débutantes would also wear pearls but many would also wear moist socks that belonged to the family.
What on earth is a Moist Sock, and what does it have to do with a debutante's jewellery choice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaddyMcMack ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
Based on internet search for "Moist Sock", it seems to be sexual slang added as a crude joke. It was corrected by the time I read this. Now reads:
"Débutantes would also wear pearls but many would also wear jewellery that belonged to the family." Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) ( talk) 11:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Tagging User:PaddyMcMack. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. Thin Smek) ( talk) 17:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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Seems like overlapping definition(s) enough for a merge (as subsection)? PPEMES ( talk) 09:30, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
@ Mgcsinc: and others: Having evaluated this article, doesn't it seems evident it should afterall simply be merged with Debutante ball? With lead section section stating somewhere that "participants are known as debutantes"? Doesn't all text contents seems to deal with different kinds of debutante balls anyway? PPEMES ( talk) 12:33, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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This article uses "debutante " and "débutante" (with an acute accent) inconsistently and should be standardised. The WP Manual of Style guidance is that "the use of diacritics (such as accent marks) for foreign words is neither encouraged nor discouraged; their usage depends on whether they appear in verifiable reliable sources in English". The vast majority of sources used in this article do not use the accent. The main use of the accent is in older sources, and modern usage seems to not use it. I propose changing the article to use "debutante" without the accent throughout, except in titles or citations which use the accent. Any comments? Masato.harada ( talk) 10:33, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
Not all debutante events are balls, but it seems much of our coverage in this article is about balls. Debutante ball is very short and repeats what is already mentioned here, so merging and intentionally covering debutante balls here makes sense to me. -- Beland ( talk) 17:29, 20 December 2023 (UTC)