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It's practically lifted word-for-word from his ministry's Web site. I think that's unfair to the reader. There are general things that can be agreed upon from his page and others that can elaborated upon, but particularly the end of the first section was absolutely a shill for him and not very objective.
In the opening bio it reads "Dollar received a BS degree in education in 1984 from West Georgia College in Carrollton, GA. His website claims that he has a master’s degree in counseling and a doctorate in counseling, but there is information about when or where those degrees were earned.[1]" This reads rather awkwardly. Should it be "but there is no information..." or "but there is information at ..." and then cite the reference?
Greenbomb101 16:30, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
The second sentence is not a sentence. What is it supposed to mean? It is only a noun phrase. It might as well read "Moon Pies and Coca-cola." Which we all known is a profound statement of causal complexity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.114.125 ( talk) 20:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
After reading the nonsense printed as so called information concerning Rhema Bible School, Kenneth Hagin, and the Word of Faith Movement, I sincerely expected to see much more criticism on Dr. Dollar's account. It is obvious that Wikipedia cannot be relied upon for factual information but is used purposely as an anti christian tool. However, as a Holy Spirit filled christian I am fully aware that the world could never understand an all powerful God capable of miracles and full of a love for all mankind that he would be impartial in giving such healings and wealth to all His children. I am greatly disappointed that one of God's annointed ministers such as Dr. Dollar has not gained your anti-faith based attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.212.11.8 ( talk • contribs) 19 Feb 2005
One Love..
Can somebody please leave the annointed men of God alone!God says we as christians should not live like this world,we are different,and Please even if you claim to know dr Dollar don't do what u have already done again. the bible says 'WE SHOULD NOT JUDGE ONE ANOTHER' and next time don't play with fire by trying to embarass the annointed of God because you embarass yourself. Think clearly before you throw stones to someone without looking at yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.232.250.51 ( talk • contribs) 4 Oct 2005
This article has been kept due to lack of consensus at this VFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:30, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Creflo Dollar has been used by God in a powerful way. Just because people do not understand some of his beliefs does not mean he should be persecuted. Many christians did not support the civil rights movement or the abolition of slavery because of their false doctrine that did not leave room for other 'interpretations' of right and wrong. His congregation of over 20,000 people speaks for itself. Leave Creflo Dollar and the God of Creflo Dollar, Jehovah, alone.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.248.249 ( talk • contribs) 8 Feb 2006
Since this discussion was supposed to be about whether or not to merge World Changers Church with Dr. Dollars history, I would add my own comment that that seems fine. It seems reasonable to me to include all related issues, history and accomplishments in his section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.244.182 ( talk) 10 June 2006
While he claims Creflo Dollar is his birth name there are numerous sources who claim otherwise. Information about this that I previously added to the article has now been deleted. The article needs accurate information about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.212.64.234 ( talk) 21:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
I was kind of wondering about this also... AnonMoos ( talk) 23:59, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Why does the article consistently use the title "Dr."? I see that Martin Luther King is also repeatedly referred to as "Dr. King", but Einstein and Jonas Salk do not have the title. I suppose that Dr. King was usually called "Dr." in the press and so there's some argument for keeping the title. Is that the same reasoning for Dollar? (Personally, I find it a bit distasteful when someone with an academic doctorate insists on using the title, but maybe it's the norm for some theological degrees?) Phiwum 13:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
It's really up to the holder of the degree. Quite common among all walks of christian ministers to use the title, especially if they write books. 75.62.129.140 20:37, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Distasteful for people with PHD's to refer to themselves as Dr.? I'm not arguing about Dollar here when I say this, but that is absurd. If you have a PHD, you have just as much right to go by DR as a medical doctor does, if you want to. Now, obviously some take it too far but I strongly disagree with your blanket statement.
katherinewelles 3:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I see that Jmaster1 has removed the controversies section entirely. This section seems important and relevant to the article, but included no citations at all. I assume this is why Jmaster1 removed it. In any case, it is a good reason to delete it.
Can someone verify some or all of these deleted claims?
Thanks much. Phiwum 13:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
This article mentions the Welcome to Atlanta video appearance:
http://www.ottawamennonite.ca/sermons/dust-off.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Onorland ( talk • contribs) 16:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the word "swindler" in the first paragraph. Personal feelings aside, the article should remain objective.
Oh, stop arguing and get to work. This article is a mess. I put some templates in and cleaned up the Controversy section a bit. Can someone work on all those citation neededs in the first section? Thank you! ComputerSherpa 22:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone post the video clip from one of the TBN broadcasts [a few years ago] where he said "Worship me! I mean worship God!"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.61.86.122 ( talk) 05:06, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Creflo Dollar owns a jet model "Gulfstream 3"...this could lead to a mis-understanding that he owns 3 jets. He also has stated in interviews that he does not own 2 Rolls Royces, he own's 1 and that 1 was a gift from his congregation. He states that he would never spend that much money on a Rolls Royce for several reasons.
It is said that the Atlanta church brings in about 70-80 million a year. Every year they pay $57,000 to have the church audited by Grant Thorton (the largest firm around) They give the members an opportunity to come into the accounting department to look at the books.
Thirty million goes into television, the church has a staff and sixty ministries. There is something called "The Joseph Project" that is designed to help men that are in and out of jail, in and out of drugs, in and out of marriages, etc. They have outreaches in Ukraine, Uganda, Cameroon and Brazil, providing shelter for the homeless and those in need. There were about a dozen houses being built in Brazil at one time. The church provides groceries for about 180 families per week.
It has been said that he does not use one penny of the churches money to pay for any of his lifestyle. He stopped taking a salary from the church a number of years ago. He owns businesses and invests in real estate, that's how he pays for himself and his family. He has invested 28 million dollars of his own personal money into the church.
He flies to New York every Saturday to preach in Madison Square Garden. It costs approximately $800,000 a year to rent it out and $85,000 to rent storage space nearby. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Royalgem21 ( talk • contribs) 03:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I decided to remove this section because it was biased and many threw out opinions rather than facts. For instance the user states that one of the reason whyh Creflo Dollar is controversal because he claims Jesus was God who came down as a man, which in fact is central to Christianity. Other negative things listed under the controversy section were simply made up and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfssoccer ( talk • contribs) 23:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Why would Creflo Dollar attending ORU be a controversial Issue? What's controversial about attending a university? Does these following statements not qualify as being an opinion? How do we know Creflo is known for controversial teachings? How is owning a Rolls Royce controversial? Pastors when they are finished teaching get paid by the people through what's called a pastor's offering which is taken after each sermon.
Dollar is known for his controversial teachings of Prosperity theology.[8]
He was a member of the Oral Roberts University Board of Regents and, along with four other board members, is named in a lawsuit against the university alleging wrongful termination, among other claims.[9][10]
Dollar is also known to have received a Rolls Royce from his church.[11] ( Jfssoccer ( talk) 01:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)).
There's nothing wrong with him accepting a Rolls Royce from his church as a gift... he also doesn't get a salary according to an interview i watched. 94.192.129.91 ( talk) 01:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
It's listed on this page as January 28. However, it is listed on his Who2 Biography page as January 15. It is also listed under the Births section of our own January 15 page (it is a duplicate of the entry in the January 28 page). Moobler ( talk) 06:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
I thought he was a kids tv show... damn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.2.252 ( talk) 08:15, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
"External links" item "Video Stream of Creflo Dollar on November 30, 2007 with remarks to the Senate inquiry" now points to " http://www.wisdomministries.org/".
Has this been hijacked?
Spydy ( talk) 16:55, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
Considering all the previous Talk/Discussion Page topics, I think it is more than reasonable to add a tag expressing concerns about NPOV. At least that will clue readers in to the fact that virtually all the sources come from Dollar or his ministry's website and do more than point out a lack of good citations. Scrawlspacer ( talk) 07:55, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
As a member of World Changers Church I can verify for myself that Creflo Dollar does NOT ask for W-2 forms for verifcation of salary/tithe percentage. Common day lynching. You can not be serious! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.132.66 ( talk) 19:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
If it is that much of a concern for you, please do not make such a loud fuss about it. Instead, you should use the established method for correcting errors.
And, if you are unsure how to do any of this for yourself, please ask here. I am sure that somebody will assist. There is no stigma attached to inability. 184.41.44.167 ( talk) 01:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
A YouTube video of Pastor Creflo Dollar defending his "brother in the Lord," Bishop Eddie Long, is making its way across the blogosphere. In the video, Dollar addresses church members for turning their back on their pastor, who recently settled four sexual-coercion lawsuits, when he is in trouble.
Dollar likens Long's "troubles" to a "wreck," applauding the fact that Long had "insurance" -- i.e., Jesus. Dollar admonishes Long's followers who are looking for a new church home in his ministry. Dollar preaches:
"That [Long] is my friend, that is my brother in the Lord. If you came from there, you get on back over there where you're supposed to be and do what you need to be doing because he got insurance and Jesus paid the premium."
Seriously? We won't throw baby Jesus out the window with the bathwater, but these pastors who fail to acknowledge the level of duplicity allegedly exercised by Long is immoral and unacceptable.
As reports surface that Long's church attendance is waning, Dollar defends his friend, telling folks to go back. Likening a man who allegedly preyed on young boys -- plying them with gifts and trips in the process -- to a "wreck" is disingenuous at best and foul at worst.
Dollar is right; everyone makes mistakes, but trivializing an alleged misdeed like Long's scandal and criticizing those who would walk away is foul. We're taking it back to '88 and giving Pastor Dollar the gas face. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lgathers630 ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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Adding a controversies section to this article seems appropriate. Does anyone object? 24.63.16.140 ( talk) 06:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)