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It's deliberately contentious and "baiting" to include the Irish diaspora as being part of the British diaspora. If the articles you linked to were limited to the time period where Ireland was part of the empire, there might be a case. But this is not the case. In addition, the census statistics do not split the Irish diaspora into those with British subject origins, and those without, making it impossible to quantify. Finally, I notice you do not include the British overseas territories, or include the diaspora from other ex-British countries.... -- HighKing ( talk) 17:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
You can't be serious. The Republic of Ireland is NOT part of the UK, so they form their own diaspora, just as we have the French, German diaspora. It is most definitely not a subset of anything; that is just nonsensical. I doubt that the above writer is truly Irish after seeing they wrote such a thing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.154.53 ( talk • contribs) 16:16, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Agreed - also Cornish is no more a valid category than any other English region - Wiltshire American, Yorkshire American. Suggest removal of "Cornish" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.189.151.3 ( talk) 20:31, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi, there seems to be a discrepancy between the map and the table as far as China and Hong Kong are concerned. The table says that Hong Kong (or according to the footnote, possibly Hong Kong and China combined) is home to 3,752,031 "British people" (which actually I find quite surprising in itself, but I suppose must be correct according to the definitions used). However, the map shows China at a level that looks like 10,000 to 50,000, while Hong Kong is not separately visible at all. As well as the discrepancy that China is shown on the map but not (separately) in the table, the major problem with the current presentation is that the overwhelmingly largest concentration of British people outside Britain, i.e. in Hong Kong, is not apparent at all on the map. 86.181.172.218 ( talk) 00:33, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
Including the vast bulk of the (Chinese) population of Hong Kong makes this article look rather silly... no-one in Britain classes 3.5 million inhabitants of this part of China as 'British' whatever the technicalities may be. The term 'diaspora' implies being scattered from the home country...which Hong Kong Chinese clearly are not. The Hong Kong Chinese should be treated in this article as a separate and distinct entitity ... if they should be included at all Vauxhall1964 ( talk) 12:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this article about only ethnically British people(English,Scott etc) or about those "British" who have immigrant back ground? At least it should mentioned how many percentege of British people living abroad have immigrant back ground?? Ovsek ( talk) 06:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
See Talk:Anglo-African#Proposed move to British in Africa. Helen ( talk) 16:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
This article gives the number of British people living abroad, but the British diaspora includes people from anywhere who are of British ancestry. This includes many millions in the US, several million in Canada and several million in Australia, yet this isn't mentioned in the article. Jim Michael ( talk) 13:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
This is our source. Mixing other estimates in the table constitutes WP:SYNTHESIS. 93.109.179.224 ( talk) 20:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Should all of the countries in the table include a flag and links to each of them? This seems to be the convention in tables related to demographics. The Average Wikipedian ( talk) 12:37, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Are the numbers right? The number given for Australia is greater than the number of British-born residents of Australia, and not all of those (one would expect) would fall into the citizenship categories specified. -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 15:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
The data in this article is now over a decade old - are there more recent sources we could use? Pseudomonas( talk) 21:38, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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I have reverted these changes. The change from 10.7 to 17 per cent of the US population was in a sentence that includes "the largest proportions of people of self-identified ethnic British descent...", so including self-identified "Americans" does not work here. It's also original research to calculate figures based on an assumption that all self-identified Americans are of British ancestry. Cordless Larry ( talk) 10:16, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
111818b ( talk) 17:43, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a clear definition of what the word diaspora means. This article has been well written and improved by many contributors, yet it appears that people with an agenda and now trying to undo the legitimacy of this article. Ethnicity is subjective. People are able to define themselves as what ever ethnicity they wish. I and many others identify our ethnicity as British. The term itself only came into popular usage in the mid-20th century and has a definition that indeed legitimises British as an ethnicity. One may have many ethnic labels. The fact is that people who are ethnic British can be Scottish, English, Welsh, or Northern Irish as well as British. The reason why the distinction of ethnic British as opposed to just British is made on the article is that, without it, anyone who acquires a British passport and then moves outside of United Kingdom could be classified as the diaspora. This undermines both the legitimacy of the article and the meaning of the term diaspora. For this reason, ethnic British must remain. Any changes to that need to be debated here and good reason why the term ethnic British should be removed must be specified. 49.198.44.248 ( talk) 23:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
@ 021120x: looks like you forgot to fill in the definition of this ref when you added it. -- Fyrael ( talk) 21:52, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
The page is about the British diaspora, as in originiating from the British isles. Bermuda isn't in the british isles, nor are most Bermudans of British ancestry. It would be more accurate to reference the Falklands. As most falklanders have British ancestry. 80.195.3.151 ( talk) 22:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I propose merging the two tables in the 'British ancestral origins by country' section of the article to make the article more concise and clear. This would be similar to German_diaspora#Distribution as below:
Country | British ancestry | % British ancestry | British citizens [1] | Comments |
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United States | 109,531,643 (2020) [2] |
33% [A] | 678,000 (2006) |
See British Americans, English Americans, Scottish Americans, Welsh Americans and Scotch-Irish Americans; country with the most people of British descent. |
Australia | 19,301,379 (2021) [5] |
76% [B] | 1,300,000 (2006) |
See Anglo-Celtic Australians, English Australians, Scottish Australians and Welsh Australians; most British citizens in the world outside of the United Kingdom. |
Canada | 17,325,860 (2021) [7] |
48% [C] | 603,000 (2006) |
See British Canadians, English Canadians, Scottish Canadians and Welsh Canadians. |
New Zealand | 3,372,708 (2018) [8] |
70% [D] | 215,000 (2006) |
See British New Zealanders, English New Zealanders, Scottish New Zealanders and Welsh New Zealanders. |
South Africa | 1,600,000 (2011) [10] |
3% | 212,000 (2006) |
See British Africans. |
Brazil | 840,000 (2010) [11] [12] |
0.4% | 11,000 (2006) |
See English Brazilians and Scottish Brazilians. |
Chile | 700,000 (2010) [13] |
3% | 5,200 (2006) |
See British Chileans, English Chileans and Scottish Chileans. |
Ireland | 291,000 (2006) |
7% | 291,000 (2006) |
See Anglo-Irish people. |
Bahamas | 38,000 (2019) [14] |
10% | 4,100 (2006) |
See White Bahamians. |
Barbados | 20,000 (2021) [15] |
7% | 27,000 (2006) |
See White Barbadians. |
Bermuda | 15,700 (2006) [16] |
7% | 600 (2006) |
See White Bermudians. |
Cayman Islands | 9,600 (2021) [17] |
30% | 110 (2006) |
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Gibraltar | 9,100 (2006) [18] |
27% | 3,600 (2006) |
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Falkland Islands | 2,474 (2016) [19] |
80% | 930 (2006) |
|
Norfolk Island | 857 (2016) [20] |
49% | <100 (2006) |
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Pitcairn Islands | 49 (2018) [21] |
100% |
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