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On December 31, 1857, WM C.Mitchell (I believe a State Senator from Carrol County) sent a letter to AR US Senator Wm. K. Sabestian, Chairman of Indian Affairs. In the letter he says two of his sons were killed. His son,Charles, had an infant son and that the Mormons took 15 children to San Bernadino. Is that the Mitchell infant on the list? see message of the President. December 31, 1857. http://www.archive.org/details/messageofpreside00unitrich Tinosa 14:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Except for the smallest children, and the exceptions to be mentioned below, all the victims of the violence at Mountain Meadow can be found in the 1850 census. Jurisdictions with a good many of the family groups include: Mulberry Twp, Johnson County, Arkansas; Spadra Twp, Johnson County, Arkansas; Carrollton Twp, Carroll County, Arkansas; Crooked Creek Twp, Carroll County, Arkansas; and an unnamed twp in Marion County, Arkansas. Individuals are found in Missouri (including the Huff family), Tennessee, and California (the Fanchers, on one of their several trips across the country).
The First Nations individuals of the future Utah Territory were not enumerated in 1850, and this post will not be concerned with the LDS families.
Missing from the enumerations are:
Vincent Valentine, supposed aged 21. No such person appears in the United States on a nationwide search. As this is also a popular character in a role-playing fantasy game, he may have been included on the casualty list as a spoof. A source is needed for his inclusion in the wagon trains.
The family of Joshua Miller, Matilda Cameron Miller, and James William Miller should be residing in or near Johnson County, Arkansas in 1850, but they seem to have been missed in the enumeration and may at that time have been en route for Missouri. Also missing is the Nancy Cameron born in 1845, a probable relation of Matilda Cameron Miller and her guardian William Cameron (supposed niece).
Annis Arnold [maiden name] and her husband, name unknown, who were supposed to have joined the Fancher-Baker train by their relatives, are also not found. Annis was the daughter of John and Rebecca Arnold and was born about 1805. They apparently left Shelby, Macomb, Michigan in the spring of 1857 bound for California and were never heard from again. While many things happened to people on the overland trails, apparently the family always believed from some evidence that they were at Mountain Meadow in September 1857 by accident. This was felt strongly enough that it was posted on RootsWeb. A source is needed for their inclusion in the wagon trains.
Genehisthome 05:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
There are eight names on the 'Killed' list that also appear on the 'Reclaimed' list. They are, reading Last Name, Given Names, Killed ref & Reclaimed ref: Baker, Sarah Frances, 8 & 2; Baker, William Twitty, 9 & 3; Dunlap, Georgis Ann, 25 & 4; Dunlap, Louisa, 29 & 5; Francher, Christopher, 41 & 9; Francher, Triphenia, 52 & 10; Tackitt, Emberson Milum, 78 & 16; Tackitt, William Henry, 84 & 17. The ages, where supplied, also match. Can this duplication be clarified?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipey1 ( talk • contribs) 02:05, 23 September 2008
Please see note I left mislabeled “Baker - Fancher Partying”’. Looking for assistance in adding to ( or debunking) facts surrounding the incident. Mhoff2404 ( talk) 11:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Fancher-Baker vs. Baker-Fancher
Which is it? I have always seen it called the Fancher-Baker party here on Wikipedia, but some users have been changing it to Baker-Fancher party. They use a sign at the meadows as proof that it is Baker-Fancher party; anyone have better proof? Thanks Mangoman88 ( talk) 07:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
of the facts which becomes readily apparent from the depositions is that John T. Baker was the organizer and leading character in the contingent of the Baker. It is interesting to note that none of the 60 pages of depositions mentions Alexander Fancher, the person traditionally thought to have been the leader of the caravan.” The "tradition" is a fiction that can be traced back to the familial organization which identifies as the MMMF. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ldean50 ( talk • contribs) 18:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
With the long name lists on this article, it would seem usefull to actually split those out to their own list-based article; perhaps it could be named List of Baker-Fancher party members. The long lists as they are now brake-up the flow of the article, and make it harder to read. -- 208.81.184.4 ( talk) 22:27, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
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The list seems to be incomplete. Came across a news article showing my Great Great Grandfather William Stowell a surviving child raised by Indians. His parents Daniel and Louisa Stowell were also killed at the incident. This article says “ William A.Stowell, whose parents were killed by Mormons in the Mountain Meadow Massacre. The boy escaped and lived for awhile with Indians. He joined General Johnston’s army and came to California with it.” Best I can tell it was a San Francisco newspaper ( Chronicle?) possibly 1928 as it mentions Stowell’s widow Celeste Ann Twitchell ( Hickok) being in the Diamond Jubilee parade representing the “native Sons and Daughters of San Joaquin County”. Mhoff2404 ( talk) 11:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)