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There is a peculiar statement in this article in the "Etymology and origins of her cult" section that claims that Athena's name is attested in Linear A. This is a very bizarre claim indeed, considering that I know for certain Linear A has not yet been deciphered. Furthermore, there was a sentence immediately after it (which I have now slightly reworded, but which preserves the same general meaning) saying that, "Whether her name is attested in Eteocretan or not will have to wait for decipherment of Linear A." The statement that I am confused by claims, "A-ta-no-dju-wa-ja (KO Za 1 inscription, line 1) is also found in Linear A Minoan; the final part being regarded as the Linear A Minoan equivalent of the Linear B Mycenaean di-u-ja or di-wi-ja (Diwia, "divine"). Divine Athena also was a weaver and the deity of crafts (see dyeus)." The statement is attributed to Ventris and Chadwick, whose scholarly reputations are certainly impeccable, but the citation does not define which page the information was found on. This, combined with the dubiousness of the statement itself, seems to suggest that the statement is probably confused. Is there anyone here who can explain what the statement is talking about? -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 21:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
This is definitely not one of the best articles about Greek mythology on Wikipedia in English. After reading it I feel it needs to be improved. I have a few questions and comments.
1. "Cronus, a king of Byblos". What does it mean? Cronus was the father of Zeus and a titan, not a king of Byblos. I do not understand the above. Can anybody explain?
2. In the section "Pallas Athena" the third paragraph starts with "When Pallas is Athena's father". Would that Pallas be the titan Pallas, son of son of Crius and Eurybia? If it is, it should be explicitly stated and a link to the article Pallas (Titan) should be added.
3. "Roman fable of Arachne" appears to be a Roman addition to Greek mithology. The section shows an image of Minerva. Therefore, I'm not sure if the section should even be in this article. I think it should be part of the article about Minerva.
4. The section entitled "Mythology" needs to be reorganized in a better way. It looks rather scattered with episodes and epithets.
5. The Talk page has a good amount of nonsense comments. Please help to remove them.
ICE77 ( talk) 07:19, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Katolophyromai, thank you for the feedback. ICE77 ( talk) 00:49, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
In the origins section of the article it mentions a composition of two women extending their hands to a central figure that is believed to be Athena, however I do not see a source directing me to where I can see an image of this fresco. Maybe you did cite it but it is unclear where the citation or footnote is.
Additionally, in the section about cults and patronage, it talks about how Athena was a protector of heroes and warriors and you give a citation. I do feel like it is repetitive with the added sentence under the paragraph, I believe it would sound better if you included it in a previous sentence and had multiple citations at the end.
However, overall, very good job at capturing all the parts of Athena in one article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafleury ( talk • contribs) 15:30, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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I'll try to get at this one this week. It is an in-depth article on a vital topic, so it might take some time, but I'll do my best. TonyBallioni ( talk) 00:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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she presided over her sisterhood, the Athenaiis a bit unclear. I'm not sure what her sisterhood is.
and thus perhaps the Lady of Athens.perhaps seems out of place and speculative. If it is a possible translation, there is probably a better way of phrasing it.
In this aspect, Athena was also known as Parthenos, which means "virgin", because she was believed to have never married or taken a loverHow does this connect to the previous sentence about war? The phrasing seems to link the virginity to it.
Thank you for agreeing to review this article. I really appreciate it. If you happen to notice any problems at all, I am more than willing to address them. -- Katolophyromai ( talk) 03:54, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
The cited source, in its lead sentence, calls Athena "goddess of war". I think we should stick to that exact formulation in our lead. The cited source does go on to further clarify what this meant in more detail, but it is not clear to me that what is meant is stategic war. Paul August ☎ 17:56, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
I just noticed that a considerable amount of changes has been made to the article over the past months. I want to make a few comments on her parentage and about the layout of this article.
Last time I wrote notes on the parentage of Athena I had this information which I recall reading here. She was a 330 pound lady with long hair and she was a Goddess so she was different.
1a. Athena may be called the daughter of Poseidon and a nymph named Tritonis. When Pallas is Athena's sister or foster-sister, Athena's father or foster-father is the sea-god Triton, the son and herald of Poseidon.
1b. Athena was given the epithet Hippia ("of the horses", "equestrian") as the inventor of the chariot and was worshiped under this title at Athens, Tegea and Olympia. As Athena Hippia she was given an alternative parentage, daughter of Poseidon and Polyphe, a daughter of Oceanus. In each of these cities her temple was frequently the major temple on the acropolis.
Most of the above appears to have vanished.
2. The layout of the article is rather unattractive. Some images span sections. There are also a huge amount of images between sections that should probably be in a gallery at the end of the page.
ICE77 ( talk) 19:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Katolophyromai, thank you for the update on the changes. I did not have time to read the article but I like the way it's organized. I made some further improvements to the layout. I feel that the "Epithets and attributes" section has a big hole next to the text below the two images. I really like the images in the "Classical art" section, particularly the ones of the paintings. I just think the images should be consolidated into something that looks like this (more compact and more pleasing to the eye of the reader in my opinion):
ICE77 ( talk) 07:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
I learned that Athena was the goddess of WISDOM and BATTLE STRATEGY. Dragonlover21 ( talk) 17:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Astromalex: We have no evidence that "the myth about Athena is... much older than Athens." Athena's name is first attested in Linear B from the Mycenaean Period (c. 1600 – c. 1100 BC), by which point Athens was already long established, since the site of the city has been continuously inhabited for roughly 7,000 years at least. Walter Burkert is one of the most widely respected authorities on ancient Greek religion. His book Greek Religion (published by Harvard University Press in English translation in 1985) is considered the classic scholarly work on the subject. If you want to challenge his word on this, you are going to need a more recent scholarly source saying he is wrong; you cannot just say "Well, I think the city was named after the goddess." Also, there are, in fact, multiple temples to Athena on the Athenian Acropolis. For instance, in addition to the Parthenon, off the top of my head I can also name the Temple of Athena Nike, which is on the Acropolis and dedicated solely to Athena, and the Erechtheion, which is right next to the Parthenon and dedicated to both Athena and Poseidon. – Katolophyromai ( talk) 09:32, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
To last editor @ Aciram: Just wanted to note that there are three page links in this article that do not have existing pages.
Putting this info here just in case anyone is able to create the articles.
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Socrates considered the meaning of "Pallas" as "armed dances" in Cratylus ElleShd ( talk) 01:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
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Dwonderwoman2034 ( talk) 22:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
1) PROZ=Site of Athena Rae Pendleton was actually Rome in the year -6090circa
Should add that she did have legitimate offspring with Hephaestus by accident, and the result ended up being an ancestor of the well known inventor, Dedaleus.
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I noticed a flaw in "siblings" of Athena. Athena is daughter of Zeus, and Aphrodite is not. In fact, she was actually the final daughter of Ouranos (Uranus) after Kronos cut him to bits. His genitals were thrown into the ocean and mixed with sea foam, which formed the goddess of love and beauty, Aphrodite. 2600:1702:27A0:3F60:E972:349E:82:F39C ( talk) 23:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hephaestus also was not a son of Zeus, but a son of only Hera. After Athena was born from Zeus' split skull (after drinking his first wife, Metis, to prevent her giving a son that would destroy him, as he did his father, and as his father did to his own before Zeus), he claimed that he was superior and formed life on his own, which was false. Hera called upon her grandmother, Gaia, and gave birth on her own, without the help of a man. When the son was born, he was disfigured and unattractive, so she threw him from Mount Olympus and he raised himself. Hephaestus rejoined the gods in his adulthood and made his mother pay for her betrayal by binding her to a throne with invisible and unbreakable chains. 2600:1702:27A0:3F60:E972:349E:82:F39C ( talk) 23:27, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to add an image of the Greek Goddess Athena, in contemporary fine art.
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