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I question the NPOV of this article, since it seems negatively slanted against Airbus. The focus is almost entirely on the negative aspects. For example: Doubt is cast about the Eur3.5 billion price tag and it is implied that the A350 is nothing but part of a FUD campaign. This is done by quoting unnamed authorities ("many industry and financial analysts"), which is a fallacy.
The factual accuracy of the article also leaves to be desired. For example, given that Boeing hoped to have 200 orders for the 7E7 by the end of 2004 but only got 52 (50 of which come from a single airline) ( Reuters) it does not seem accurate to talk about "strong preliminary sales of the 7E7".
Removed POV tag as the above doesn't seem related to the current article. Also, please try to remember to include your username and a time-stamp. Dan100 18:53, Dec 18, 2004 (UTC)
Ok, looks good to me. Jeroen 12:58, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)
Respectfully, it is not OK. The sales are not the point, and it is OK not to consider this aspect; agree with that one so far.
The NPOV of this Article, nevertheless, remains questionable. Still, Airbus is the only one blamed therein for receiving Government backings, which reflects the Boeing position only.
The Airbus argument, however, is for instance that majority of these backings airbus receives are not a present, but are repayable, and Boeing receives tax relief/tax aids outside regular writeoffs, which are not just a deferral, but just another form of subsidy on the business results after all.
The arguments on the Airbus side remain completely unmentioned, which makes this article clearly biased to one party's, i.e. Boeing's, point of view, thus discrediting Airbus.
Also, this rather political aspect, taking place on international level, is nothing which concerns the Aircraft A350 and its technology itself. In fact, this Boeing vs. Airbus dispute arose before official announcement of the A350. It actually derives from A380 financing. If anywhere, this dispute should be mentioned in the article about the companies, but not in an article about the product.
I recommend that any statements about backings/financing be removed, or at elast altered to objectively reflect the full story. Airbus, and also the European Union, have also made their statements to the WTO. A WTO decision is not yet finanlised, it is even not sought for by the American side; talks are ongoing. This shows that the story is not that easy. The article should remain a neutral focus on the Aircraft itself.
Cheers,
Airplanedude 26-DEC-2004 20:04 PST (sorry not username yet.)
I think it is possible to discuss the controversy between Airbus/EU and Boeing/US without loosing NPOV, but I agree that the focus of the article should be the airplane, not the politics surrounding it. I propose a format similar to that used for the other Airbus planes: History, Technology, Variants, Specifications. The Boeing/Airbus dispute can be discussed in the History section.
Jeroen 08:36, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
I did a fairly substantial revision of the article. Tried to make it more NPOV by rewriting some of the disputed paragraphs about the US/EU trade dispute and rearranged the information into 4 chapters.
Jeroen 09:51, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
Now this is good. Thanks for your work and time; my Job Situation does not allow me to write something up myself Aerospace Products. sorry. However, thanks a lot Jeroen. -Airplanedude 20:36, Jan 03, 2005
NPOV questioned: "Since the A350's introduction, the 787 has outsold it by a factor of over 10:1." I do see two problems with this sentence: First, I miss the exact and complete list of preliminary sales for the A350. Second, if the preliminary sales are compared wouldn’t it more appropriate to compare only the part of contracts that were closed after both airliner programs were communicated? Therefore, I ask to delete this sentence or to introduce a more NPOV into this article. Thanks. MikeZ 21:11, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
13:24, April,28th,2005. DEF
From what I read in this article, it seems unlikely that this plane will ever exist. Ten airplanes? That's nothing. CoolGuy 16:56, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
I added an order by TAM announced on June 16th, 2005. I also revised the official order count based on the press release. I also removed the following line:
These orders are as firm as any aircraft orders (whether they be Boeing, Airbus, etc.)--there are no degrees of "firmness", unless one wishes to qualify the individual companies making the orders (US Airways, for example, cancelled their massive order for Embraer aircraft, so it can happen). While the second statement may very well be true (I at least lean towards it), to preserve NPOV, it's better to link these claims to the actual experts (IE: articles) than to leave them unfounded.-- Dali-Llama 19:37, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be a real bone of contention about this phrase:
as opposed to
To my knowledge, the first is the more accurate statement. The information from Airbus [2] clearly indicates that they're greatly upgrading the cockpit (to A380 technology), redesigning the wing, putting in a new generation of engine, putting in a new tailplane, tweaking the overall aerodynamics and upgrading the interior systems. They're rebuilding large chunks of the plane in composites (probably not as much as the 787, but still a considerable amount). While the fuselage exterior will probably stay the same (it hasn't changed since the A300), there will likely be considerable differences between the A330 and the A350. If you look at the published expected stats from Boeing and Airbus, you'll see that the two planes are expected to have broadly similar performances - that should give an indication how much difference there is between the A330 and A350. — QuantumEleven | (talk) 14:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
The 787 and 747-8 articles lists some potential customers for those models. I personally think this article should have a similar list. Potential customers for the A350 I believe include United (very split between 787 and A350), Emirates, Ethiad, and possibly British Airways. American and Delta probably not, as they obviously prefer Boeing aircraft. Andros 1337 22:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I really have to disagree about United Airlines. United already flies the 777 and the new (as of May 2006)version of the A350 will be larger and more directly a competitor of the 777. It doesn't make any sense at all for United to buy the A350.
The "orders" table should distinguish between firm orders with a signed contract (which is about 50) and commitments/letters of intent/memoranda of understanding (which is about 125). The Boeing 787 order table is a good example of this, with the pink color coding.
Why are the cancelled orders not included in this table? The B787 page includes the 3 cancelled planes.
It seems this article is now in need of a major overhaul, with this news: [3] [4]. Where to even start? — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 14:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I completely agree. The A350 has essentially been scrapped in its current form. Also, Qatar has publicly stated that it will not be placing an order for its 60 aircraft until Airbus actually settles on a design. They are leaving the possibility open of placing orders for the Boeing 787 since it will enter service 4 years before any redesighned A350. [5] [6]
There needs to be a section in this article talking about all of the different versions of the A350 that Airbus has put forth. Also, there should be a discussion of how this plane was really just designed as an attempt to slow 787 sales. I find it amusing how the Boeing 787 article is written by smug Airbus aficionados who criticize the Sonic Cruiser and Boeing 747X while this article fails to mention how the A350 has been nothing more than a "paper" airplane since its beginning.
I have rushed in where angels fear to tread :-) and started the overhaul process. I think the "main" article needs to focus on the A350 as now proposed (A350XWB) and the specs of the "original" version need to be either deleted or farmed out to another article ("A350 original version"). Ecozeppelin 11:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
"This new aircraft has tentavley been called A370."
I think this needs a reference, all sources I have been able to find that discuss and a370 in the vein of a further development of the a350 seem to point to blogs or forum posts. I've yet to establish a primary source that would be considered wiki worthy. If one can be added it would be great, if not I'm unsure it is worth including. 144.136.232.199 07:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC) skyskraper 07:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Why is there any discussion about an airplane that has no basis in fact? Airbus still calls its planned aircraft, the All New A350. Why not simply wait until Airbus announces thier plans? -- user:mnw2000 16:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
The comparison table of other relevant aircraft removed? I don't see why the Specifications section needed to be completely deleted. -- Smacksaw 13:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Have the old orders been nullfied? If so, we need to redo the table. Only Kingfisher and Finnair have confirmed to stay with the new A350XWB. Andros 1337 20:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
It looks to me like the "XWB" is more of a marketing tool than the actual model number. All of the model numbers I've seen still use just "A350-(model)" and not "A350XWB-(model)". As all of the relevant information is already in the main A350 article I'd prefer to see the XWB article converted back into a link. As is it is redundant. If the official model is "A350XWB" then the "Airbus A350" article should be renamed to "Airbus A350XWB" thus preserving the edit history on the article. -- StuffOfInterest 15:07, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. "XWB" is just a marketing designator - it's still the A350 aircraft, just the latest incarnation. So there shouldn't be a separate article, just an explanation of the evolution in the main A350 article. Ecozeppelin 15:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks to both. This is why I originally tried to "prod" the XWB article. Someone else decided to be bold. The original author of the XWB article will have to be convinced. I really don't want to clog up AfD with more clutter. The Airbus A370 article is already over there. -- StuffOfInterest 15:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I realized that I am coming close to WP:3RR, but DSpammer is making some questionable edits, so I'll stop reverting. Can we please stop with the hyperbole and whitewashing? This user has done damage to Airbus NSR in the past. — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 20:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Why is the cross-section of the freighter version smaller (5,74) than that of the passenger versions(5,91)?-- Arado 18:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody else think that comparison of other aircraft belongs here? It's not mentioned in other articles (except Boeing 787, but I'll see if I can get it removed there, too), and if anybody wants, they could start a separate article for aircraft comparison. — Alex ( T| C| E) 06:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
It seems fair enough to include a comparison. It's interesting to see the differences with the models Airbus plans to spend €10B to compete with. Sure you can flip to the other articles but it's nicer to have the relevant models only and all displayed together. Nordicremote 22:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, now we are on the sixth iteration of the A350: [9] — Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 17:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
How about a section on the page with a description of all six iterations? user:mnw2000 18:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, how about having a section called "A350 Designs"? We can then have paragraph for each design or a chart to show the differences between the designs.? user:mnw2000 17:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, are you sure of the six iterations? I know some people don't care what J. Leahy says, but "Leahy also laughed off the A350’s multiple re-births: “Everyone was writing that we redesigned the aircraft six or seven times. We didn’t. We redesigned it three times, and that was enough.”" http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/04/27/213527/airbus-managers-show-their-gallows-humour.html Maybe some of the changes are "minor" changes, something that continues to happen as the plane is designed, the nose, for example, is going to be like the one of the A380 http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/06/12/214536/playing-catch-up-no-room-for-delays-of-the-airbus-a350.html (this is a good article about the actual design) and the internal diameter is now to be 5.60 m, but it's still the A350XWB. I think it would be better to reduce the details of the erratic history and add details to the new version, that is what would be build and of interest. -- Cirrocumulus 17:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
| This section was blatant OR, I'm surprised it lasted so long. The source says this is the sixth iteration of the A350 but only details a couple. I have removed this section as OR, please find a verifiable list of these six before reinstating.
I removed the bit about GECAS and ILFC being Airbus "two biggest customers", since they are really in a sense, only indirectly so as they're leasing companies, and in a sense only respond to the demands of airlines who lease from them. Also looking at fleet composition is also not a fair decider of "largest customer" since many of the planes owned by ILFC and GECAS were mostly bought from or negotiated in some form or another, after delievery to another customer (a number of airlines have sold their aircraft to GECAS and ILFC and then simply leased them back). It's also fair to notice that ILFC and GECAS orders for newer airplanes (the Boeing 777, the A350, and the A380) have been outpaced by other airlines, and in the case of the Boeing 787 ILFC is only a handful of frames away from most other airlines ordering the craft (GECAS is also conspicously absent form the order list). The point being, individual airlines, especially Asian carriers such as Singapore, and Middle Eastern Airlines such as Qatar and Emirates, make up a far larger concern of Airbus. SiberioS 18:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
The Fuselage section of the article should be updated because the A350-XWB will no longer use Al-Li skin.
Carbon fiber will be used. The discussion now is whether to use four panels to build the fuselage on aluminium frames or to use a single barrel construction like the B787.
If someone with more detailed information could please update the article.
Thank you. Steveq34 17:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
http://www.eads.com/xml/content/OF00000000400004/7/19/41508197.pdf Steveq34 17:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
For the possible switch to the solid barrel concept, I have the following reference: http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7727 Steveq34 01:05, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
THere is a report at http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=9009 that Airbus is finally changing to an all-composite barrel fuselage, and may announce at the Paris AIr show (June?). However, the report and date adjustments made to the article today by user:Aston2012 were unsourced and premature, and were rightly reverted. Wiki is not a breaking news site, so it's probably best we wait until Airbus makes the official announcement, so we can accurately repot how much "crow" they've had to eat :) - BillCJ 21:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
I propose we get rid of the old A350 orders table. The old A350 is gone. However we should still have a writeup about its beginnings and how it came to be XWB but eliminate the old orders table. We should just have the new orders table and delete all the old customers. If they move on to the new plane, then add them.-- Bangabalunga 17:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I added the following: There are early reports from September 2007 that Airbus now plans to use a composites placed over a composite frame instead of an aluminium-lithim frame as previously planned. [25] Differential expansion of a metal frame compared with composite skins was anticipated to be a problem with the old design but a metal frame was simpler to build using the exisiting Airbus infrastructure.
Archtrain 15:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Boeing included list prices for their aiplanes on their website (boeing.com). I can't seem to find list pricing for the A350XWB. Is anyone able to provide this information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.225.22 ( talk) 20:22, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
The New York Times reported that the World Trade Organization is getting ready to rule against Airbus on a number of Boeing's complaints; the article also goes into an important economic reality that would blunt the effect of any ruling - namely, that both jet makers already farm many parts of new airplanes out to many countries. For example, 35% of the 787 is actually built in Japan. See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/business/global/04wto.html?hpw
On another topic, both Boeing and Airbus benefit from military contracts. Airbus' parent, EADS, has military contracts, including the A400M transport project; Airbus cannot seriously make the claim that only Boeing benefits from building weapons.
Perhaps more article editing is in order. Raryel ( talk) 16:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
That is clumsy English, I think. Does it mean the cross-section doesn't change in shape or size over that part of the aircraft? Perhaps it means that the width is constant but not other dimensions? Grassynoel ( talk) 05:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
In light of the problems Boeing is having with composite fueslage panels for the 787, has there been any word from Airbus on whether the A350 might have similar problems, or how they might avoid them? - BilCat ( talk) 18:40, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The unrelated A330 image has been removed by myself and another editor but has been restored. Propose that as it has nothing to do with the A350 it should be removed. The vague could be replaced by the A350 is not a valid reason for inclusion it adds no value to the article. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:59, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp33dyphil ( talk • contribs) on 23 May 2011
For giant projects such as a jetliner, skyscraper, or canal, would it make sense to have an infobox entry: introduction date (original), and introduction date (current as of DDMMYY)? There could conceivably be a category for total delay. I mention this here as there was an announcement today of further delays, but the idea applies to any large project or manufactured item. Fotoguzzi ( talk) 22:25, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
The fuel capacity as per the Airbus website is 138,000 lts. It is listed as 129,000 lts on the wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winaiwiki ( talk • contribs) 05:10, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
We had "winglets" on Boeings, "sharklets" on A320. How about "sabrelets" for A350? BadaBoom ( talk) 05:57, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Airbus is one of the largest companies in EU and one of the core competitors on the aviation market. It employs 54 thousand Europeans. And A350 is the key model, which will define the company's well-being for the next 20-30 years. How can it be LOW? I believe it should be TOP or at least HIGH. BadaBoom ( talk) 06:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
For the technoheads that visit pages such as this one, Airbus has released a picture of first power up of the flight deck: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/filter/a350-xwb-family/cache/0/#open=galleries/photo-gallery/dg/idp/25459-a350-xwb-msn1-flight-deck/?backURL=galleries/photo-gallery/filter/a350-xwb-family/cache/0/
This is a bit of a milestone in its own right for more ... "business-oriented" followers of this aircraft. 139.168.114.150 ( talk) 10:32, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
Though the A350 is a dynamically developing project, this Wikipedia article's graphics look exactly the same as they did 3 years ago: the same artistic Etihad side-profile that appeared 3 years ago, and the same whitish-colored interior mockup that appeared 5 years ago. I don't have the expertise to find publishable sources, and I know Airbus is better about sharing stuff with the hobbyist community than Boeing, so certainly some talented person might be able to update the graphics. - Rolypolyman ( talk) 11:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
This article should be moved to Airbus A350 XWB, a la Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The press calls it the XWB, Airbus calls it the XWB, I don't understand the discrepancy. I've read the post Talk:Airbus A350/Archive 1#A350XWB vs A350, and according to StuffOfInterest's logic, Boeing 787 Dreamliner should also rid the "Dreamliner" name. Cheers -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 07:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
There's a neutral, an oppose (although no rebuttal was made to my response), three(?) supports. Any more objections?-- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 06:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Nobody seems to be able to come up with any argument that I or anyone else have not rebutted against, and with one neutral, two opposes (the rebuttals to which have not been reciprocated, thus nullified), and three supports, the move will go ahead. -- Sp33dyphil © hat ontributions 07:28, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
The name of this plane is not properly and consistently defined:
- The topmost graphic is labeled 'A350'. But the caption contradicts that and calls it 'A350-XWB'. There are only three possibilities allowed here and you must use one of them, and use it consistently: 'A350', 'A350-XWB', or (something like:) 'A350 also called, equally validly, A350-XWB'.
- For most of the article, the plane is called 'A350-XWB'. But in the 'Variants' section, you then abandon the user and list three variants of a plane called 'A350'. Is there a fourth variant which this listing failed to include, namely -XWB? Or, is '-XWB' some kind of in-house developmental moniker that doesn't apply to the commercial variants? If so, is '-XWB' now obsolete? If not, then what plane does '-XWB' apply to? Explain. --Jim Luedke 63.209.235.156 ( talk) 03:24, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
The A350 (original) was replaced by the A350 XWB (concept). But Airbus refers to the revised design as the A350, not the A350 XWB. This page should be redesignated A350. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.240.30.23 ( talk) 01:10, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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I believe the order history is incorrect. The first order was for 20, according to press releases at the time, not 2 as shown but putting 20 puts the final tally 18 more than Airbus's total of 812. I reduced it to 2 when I changed the format of the table to make it add to 812, which it must, because it was the lesser error. There remains an error, or errors, in there somewhere totalling 18 that I cannot find and with my very limited bandwidth am unlikely to find. If somebody feels so inclined it would be great to establish the true orders history. One day, if I get some bandwidth and the time I will do it myself but it would be best to get it fixed before the first delivery later 2014. E x nihil ( talk) 08:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
-800 will be build or not?? The date 2016 is wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragdy ( talk • contribs) 07:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
"On 11 June 2014, Emirates cancelled an order for 70 A350s (50 A350-900s and 20 A350-1000s) valued at $21.6 billion at current list prices, and representing 9% of the A350 production backlog." Definitely significant enough to warrant inclusion, the previous version mentioned that it had a negative impact on the stock prices of Airbus and Rolls Royce. We should expand to include that Emirates was never particularly satisfied with the A350 development. (It should be noted on the MD-11 article that there was a big section on the order cancelled by Singapore Airlines, as the MD-11 initially failed to meet performance targets). JacksonRiley ( talk) 19:25, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
"On 11 June 2014, Emirates cancelled an order for 70 A350s (50 A350-900s and 20 A350-1000s) valued at nearly $22 billion based on current list prices, which represented 9% of the A350 production backlog." Looks like Fnlayson and I are in agreement, anyone else wants to weigh in? JacksonRiley ( talk) 21:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Where are the evidences/sources for the contracts with the airliners regarding purchase and delivery day for each airplane? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wertzt ( talk • contribs) 08:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
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I've discovered from 33ryantan that Singapore Airlines have been operating their first A350 since 8 March 2016, plying the Singapore-Kuala Lumpur Route [1]. However, these flights seem to be for crew training and familiarization and although they are revenue flights, they are barely significant on the Airliner's website and the official inaugural flight is still scheduled for 9 May 2016 on their dedicated A350 webpage. [2]So should Singapore Airlines be considered an operator now (technically plausible but barely notable) or wait until their 'inaugural' flight?
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On airliners.net it says that a Thai A350 overran a runway Planer 12346578955 ( talk) 18:45, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
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The section says that the A350 is 53% composites. Can anyone shed some light on whether this is 53% by weight or 53% by volume? Flanker235 ( talk) 03:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Just read this article for interest's sake, and noticed that some of it is rather dated - specifically there are some references in the design section saying that Airbus is considering (x) when it comes to design. Considering the aircraft is in service and doing its thing worldwide, it may do well for someone knowledgeable of the subject to give this a once-over and bring some of the more dated phrasing and references forward to be more current. Tony Fox (arf!) 19:40, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
a recent edit changed the 900ULR range as 9,700nmi with reuters (but not the usual aviation editor Tim Hepher) as a ref, saying "Airbus has increased the range of its A350-900ULR to 9,700 nautical miles" to fly SYD-LHR nonstop (a 9,200 nmi route but 9,600 nmi ESAD with winds). I suspect this is a mistake, as the Airbus range claim of 8,700nmi was made for the 8,300 nm SIN-JFK route, and Singapore already configure its 900ULR with only 170 seats. To fly 1000nm, there would be only 50 passengers on board (a bit like the ACJ). I asked Airbus for confirmation and I'm waiting for a reply.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 16:37, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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Reference number 210, which is a PDF file on the A350 characteristics hosted on the Airbus website, could no longer be accessed via the link given. Johngabriel.ibay ( talk) 07:32, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
Please add a section discussing improvements or hazards to safety introduced by this new model. If this discussion is already present, please restructure the list of contents to make it more obvious to the reader. -- Newagelink ( talk) 05:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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CORRECT ACJ SECTION RANGE TO CORRECT CONVERSION OF MILES, 20,000KM IS 12,427 MILES, NOT 11,000 MILES 80.195.95.176 ( talk) 22:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
I use this airliner to compare to airliners I am currently working on and to be honest, with all the sources and text that are plentiful and consistent, there should be a nomination for good article for the Airbus A350 XWB. Opinions? - Josephua ( talk) 00:40, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Of course Airbus is pushing its pawns for Qantas' LHR-SYD dream. The -1000 has more payload/range than the -900 and may be its proposition. If selected, it could of course be named ULR as the -900. But giving some bling-admirer any credit for an "exclusivity" is stretching things. Al Baker may have told him the -1000 MTOW would be bumped, but it's not fresh news as Flight already wrote it a year ago. There is no new "technology" to use more fuel volume: only adding fuel pumps in empty space. The -1000 fuel capacity is already nearly maxed out at 159m3 against 165m3 for the -900ULR. The 350-410 pax @ 9000nmi range is only paraphrasing the -1000 present capacity and the approximate LHR-SYD distance (9,188nmi, really). 3t more MTOW would give 220nmi more range to 8,620nmi. It would need 8t more to reach 9,188nmi, either a (not insignificant) MTOW bump, or (more realistically) a payload reduction of ~80pax to 286pax, with more space (and higher fares) for everyone, like SIN-NY. And even then, range wouldn't be enough to counter the jetstream westbound, Qantas would have to be creative to use the jetstream the other way around.-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 17:41, 20 August 2019 (UTC)