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In the section on "urban votes" it twice refers to Royal getting more votes "popular" areas. In English this does not quite make sense. Is this a mis-translation ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eregli bob ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 23 April 2007 (UTC).
I took some out of the general article, fyi. 70.226.105.9 03:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
UMP does not mean "Union pour un mouvement populaire" but "Union pour la Majorité Présidentielle", as it was specifically created to win the former elections.
I thought every WikipediA article with a year in the name, had the year in (these things). So... Frenc presidential election (2007) would have been standard, right? Fvdham 19:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
What does this sentence mean?
It may also mark the first presidential election in which President Jacques Chirac may decline to run for a third term in office.
Um, isn't this the first opportunity Chirac has to decline to run for a third term? Does it mean that this is the first time he's turned down the chance to run for re-election? Does it mean this is the first time anyone has declined to run for a third term? Help me out here. -- Jfruh 21:08, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I confirm you that never in France history a president tried to run for a third term. Concerning the Fifth republic, De Gaulle was elected twice and resigned before the end of his second term. Mitterrand was elected twice and then retired at the end of the second term. Pompidou died during his first term and Giscard d'Estaing was beaten at the end of his first term. During the Third republic, Grévy and Lebrun were elected twice but had to resign before the end of the second term. All the other presidents of France history just did one term. About Chirac, he was candidate and beaten in 1981 and 1988 and elected in 1995 and 2002. If he doesn't run in 2007, which is almost sure, it will be the first election without Chirac for 26 years.
Among the potential candidates of the Socialist Party, I whithdrawed Bertrand Delanoë, mayor of Paris, who officially announced he wouldn't run in 2007.
Could you please provide the source for the dates of the election. As far as I know, they have not been decided yet. Hektor 06:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
How do the parties pick their candidates? Who has actually said they are running? The Secretary of Funk 00:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The candidates of the two major parties - Socialist Party for the left and Union for a Popular movement for the right - will be chosen through an internal vote of all the members of the parties - a kind of caucus. The other conservaties parties - Movement for France, Union for French Democracy and National Front - are one-man parties so the selection will be easier for them.
Are officially candidates:
Thanks a lot for this article, good work, I've learned a lot. 2007 will be France's last chance to shine once more. If DeGaule or Napoleon would see un now...they would be so ashamed.
Huh? Shouldn't Wikipedia be a little more detailed into the cause of the riots, the persons involved and the location of the riots?
- yep - can't.. use.. M-word... and immigration just not an issue in France, oh-no-no-no...
I guess that this article hasn't been modified for a long time, since there are far more confirmed candidacies [and it shows only two ; those parties may be the most important, but there are others]... has to be updated (but how ?) ! Transcendency 13:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I know there's been many new opinion polls released this month, but they haven't been put on the article yet. Would anyone be able to? Jamandell (d69) 22:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
"* Radical Islam-- Since 2005, France has been in a state of open civil war against "unruly youth" who are overwhelmingly Muslim. As of November, 2006, there were 751 specifically defined areas which had fallen under the control of these Muslim forces [3][4]. There have been over 3000 attacks against the police[5], and thousands of cars, along with a number of buses[6], have been firebombed or otherwise burned. France is just one of many fronts in the global war of radical Islam against non-Islamic civilization (Thailand, Nigeria, Somalia, Sweden, Belgium, Lebanon, numerous others[7])."
If you check the sources you will see that they source anti-Islam websites such as "Militant Islam Watch." Also the language used is blatently discriminatory, and seems to suggest that Muslems and the French are literally in a civil war. Considering the fact that they are holding elections this is obviously not the case and that leads me to believe that there are some factual errors as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Garet43 ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC).
"Confirmed candidates are those that have declared their intention to run and are very likely to obtain the necessary 500 signatures from elected officials to endorse their candidacy."
Most of these candidates are NOT likely at all to get the signatures. Bayrou, Sarkozy, Royal, Buffet and Voynet will get them for sure. Besancenot, Lepage, Laguiller, De Villiers and Le Pen are likely/very likely to get them. I'm not sure about Dupont-Aignan, Bové, Cheminade, Nihous, Schivardi, Waechter, but the others can IMO be considered unlikely to obtain these signatures. El pitareio 14:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
US political polls generally have a choice for each major candidate, a choice for "other" and a choice for "Undecided". I understand that the French polls are meant to replicate a theoretical run off between Royal and Sarkozy. However, (i) are there any polls on the first round and (ii) do any of the polls indicate the undecideds? -- Amcalabrese 15:26, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Why are they not listed alphabetically? Would this not be a violation of NPOV? CKSCIII 01:09, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It is but a little thing but at present there are some opinion polls dated in the European style (day/month) and then some dated in the American style (month/day). This is not really confusing in that the opinion polls are in a month by month hierarchy already. Additionally there are some dates where the month is known that are listed as for instance "10 et 11". Should the date styling be consistent? -- Francis Burdett 19:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The terms "far right" or "far left" are often used as insulta rather than as proper descriptions of a political viewpoint. Le Pen, for example, appears to be more of a nationalist and racist anti-Semite -- but the former Soviet Union was also nationalist, racist, and anti-Semitic. Is he also a monarchist? That would be far right, unless of course he supported the Orleanist dynasty, who could be very moderate.
Is Sarkozy right-wing at all? He may be nothing more than a plain-talking centrist reacting to a specific issue. Some French socialists also appear to be centrists, while Chirac appears to be more of a crook than a true conservative.
It's all rather confusing. Help! Scott Adler 06:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.143.172 ( talk) 22:26, 22 April 2007 (UTC).
Given that the topic discussed here is French politics, it seems correct that the words "left-wing", "right-wing", "centrist", "far-left" and "far-right", translating gauche, droite, centriste, extrême-gauche et extrême-droite should be used with the customary meaning that they have in the vast majority of the French press.
I understand that some groups that almost everybody would call far-left contend that other groups generally considered to be far-left, such as the Revolutionary Communist League, really are center-right; however, for the sake of clarity, we should stick to the common meaning that the words that we use have in the context of current French politics. David.Monniaux 17:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I just removed the link [1] from external links, which was added by 83.202.60.74 on March 23. I readily admit that I have somewhat a conflict of interest doing this, as I have my own site on the election [2], but the site added to external links was no different than many other professionally written sites on the election, and considering it was the only edit by an anonymous user, likely link spam. Joshdboz 11:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I can't find an article on how the election works. Is there one? If so, can it be put somewhere more prominent. I event looked at other articles related to French elections but couldn't find a link. The pieces of information I was looking for are: can only 2 candidates qualify for the second round? and what are the criteria for their being a secnod round? I'm not posting those questions here because I want answers, instead I'm just showing what type of information I couldn't find. Gronky 11:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I just read this: "Already, right-wing candidate Nicolas Sarkozy has proposed measures to change criminal procedure for youngsters, while left-wing candidate Ségolène Royal has proposed to send unruly youths to centers under military discipline." It seems like the opposite would be the case. Was this a typo or mistake? -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 06:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
It would be helpful on this article to include a precise definition of what an absolute majority is for a French presidential election. Although there is an article it is somewhat confusing talking about US v. rest of the world definitions. Evil Monkey - Hello 04:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
The results are in on the Swiss TV site -- an incredible 86.5% participation -- Sarkozy/Royal through -- I'm somehow hesitating to put these on main page out of respect for electoral process (it's illegal in France). Is that wrong-headed?
N. Sarkozy: 29,15% S. Royal: 26,2
F. Bayrou: 18,6 J.-M. Le Pen: 10,8 O. Besancenot: 4,7%
Discuss and do with them as you will. The source
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Discussion on fr:Discuter:Élection présidentielle française de 2007 suggests the really official results will be announced Wednesday and published in print on Friday, but i presume that semi-official results should come out sooner. Boud 19:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the BBC have some offical looking results, which they say are from the French Interior Ministry. If those are considered official, maybe the main page should be updated too, it just talks about exit polls. (this isnt my usual IP, editing at school) 213.222.30.35 07:51, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Have you noted a BBC News Special on this on BBC News 24 right now. I think it will be on BBC World too. But im not sure. Philip1992 18:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Philip1992
I counted 7 candidates on the left out of twelve. Wouldn't some kind of coordination to reduce the number of candidates help them win? 58.28.143.17 09:30, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Well this is not quite accurate. LO never wanted aunited candidate. LCR got involved in the campaign for a united candidate then pulle dout half way. PCF also. Bové stood as a candidate for unity - that is to denounce the division. Bové's campaignw as rather unusual in that it was supportde by significant numbers of dissident greens, dissident LCR, dissident PCF and a lot of non-party people. National spokespeople for the campaign included members of the LCr of the Greens and of the PCF. Johncmullen1960 14:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
David.Monniaux 10:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there an article explaining the 'round' system? Njál 20:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
The first image http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:French_presidential_elections_2007_Paris_Place_dItalie_12_candidates.jpg is not great. Over half of the posters have in some way been defaced by either ripping or graffiti. It doesn't really serve any propose in its current state. ( Mrutter 08:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC))
Someone has added a "dubious" tag for the second time, without taking the pain to leave a note here. So, what's the use of such a tag?
In one occurence (Sarkozy & immigration), it was replaced by sources, promptly deleted as if they were POV. In fact, we can discuss the formulation, but it would be very POV saying "Sarkozy is so sweety with immigrants", when they are litterally thousands of sources demonstrating the effects of his "politique du chiffre" (is the person who put that tag aware that even tourists who bypassed their VISA for several days have been arrested? that Romanians have been massively expelled weeks and days before the entrance of Romania in Europe? that some raids have been made in schools, and one recently in Aubervilliers where a baby died? That Sarkozy made several news laws restricting immigration, in November 2003, in July 2006 ( [3])? That he made the wish of a "Minister of Immigration and National Identity"?)
I could go on & on, but clearly if one wants to erase this statement, he has some discussion to do here.
The other point concerns the Ariege region, where the same person has put two dubious tags. In particular, he finds it "dubious" to say this region is atypical, although Laguiller obtained more than 10% there, and that the whole of the lefts made a very high score. I think this warrants some explanations, as obviously Ariege has voted in an atypical way concerning the rest of France. Tazmaniacs 10:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Can anybody translate "reinvidication", in "classic reinvidication of the left-wing", used in the article?-- Grahamec 01:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
In a year of editing, this must be one of the most weighted articles I've ever come across. Every paragraph seems to be designed to contain at least one jab at Sarkozy. I know he's friends with Le Lay, but that doesn't mean we have to compensate. Even Bush's page is less negative than this one! I haven't got much editing time right now, but I'll try and do my best, and if anyone else agrees, please pitch in. Opinions? yandman 09:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Some users may be interested in taking part in the debate in Template talk:French elections concerning the inclusion of the elections of presidents during the Third Republic, or not, in the template. Tazmaniacs 14:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Sarkozy proposed to the contrary to repeal the 35-hour workweek previously established by PS minister Martine Aubry during Lionel Jospin's government.
Is this true? during the Royal-Sarkozy televized debate, Sarkozy told he will not set 39 hours as a legal workweek. I understood he just wanna cut social welfare cost (chargs sociales/cotisations sociales) of hours between 35 and 39.
Sarkozy promised to cut taxes by four percent, increase the exemption for inheritance tax to 95% and grant a "right to work for more than 35 hours." [39]. Which taxes will be cut by 4%?Is this one of the VAT rate?
I understand that contrary is used to mark an opposition betwwen Mme Royal and Mr Sarkozy. However I did not see clearly the opposition in the text.
I assume tou want to mean: Mme Royal does not wish the state choose worweekhours, when, at the contrary, Mr Sarkozy wishes to increase worweekhours.
I ve changed the word Repeal, because it s inexact. None of them want to repeal the 35 h but for Sarkozy he wants to favor the overtime work by decreasing taxes on them.-- Dionysostom 16:28, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Arlette Laguiller obtained 11.15%, nearly ten times her national percentage, in the mountainous department of Ariège, which traditionally supports left-wing candidates. There, Sarkozy received just 21.9% of the vote, Bayrou 15.7% and Le Pen 9.7%. Meanwhile, Royal received 35% of the votes to Royal, 1.5% to Voynet (national average), 3% to Buffet (national average 1.94%), 2.7% to Bové (twice his national average), 5.1% to Besancenot and 0.7% to Schivardi. Altogether, the department gave 59.1% of its vote to left-wing candidates, and only 47.3% for the right-wing (including the right-of-centre Bayrou, who recently positioned himself more to the center)
There must be a mistake in here somewhere. It's not possible for the left to have gotten 59.1% and the right 47.3%. That adds up to 106.4%. Funnyhat 20:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
2007 (UTC)
What were the election results for the first round in Saint Pierre and Miquelon? When the second round results come in for Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, please add that to the article as well. Many thanks. Diamantina 22:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Who keeps erasing them? And why?
Is 4.4% "spoil/null" votes a high % for France? Is there a hanging chad issue? PedEye1 18:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
The election is still a current event:
What does it mean?-- 87.65.160.3 05:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Is it just me or is this article extremely chaotic? In particular the internal order does not seem to make any sense. The section introducing the candidates is much too low in the article, coming as it does after a description of their policies. There is too much trivia accumulated "in real time": I think we could probably lose the list of all the people who were vaguely rumoured to perhaps intend to run and never made the slightest move, not to mention the 7 million opinion polls. (Is anyone ever going to read those poll results?) I also think there are too many main sections and the opening paragraph is ginormous. My suggestion: a short opening paragraph giving away the results, then a section on the candidates, then on policies, then on support, then on the campaign, then a detailed analysis of results. Thoughts? Thermaland 08:34, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
From the "Second Round" section:
Although Jacques Chirac was successful among young electors in 1995, mostly due to his discourse on the "social rupture" (fracture sociale), Sarkozy's electorate is more traditionally right-wing and focused on older people: only those more than 50 years old gave him a majority (at 52%, against 37% for Royal) [16]. Sarkozy obtained only 40% among the 18-24 years old, while Chirac had obtained 55% in the same category in 1995 [16].
If Sarkozy received 53% of the overall vote, then there is no way that he could have received no more than 52% of the vote among any age group. The above paragraph can't possibly be accurate. Funnyhat 01:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
In France "popular" means from lower class people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.229.146.57 ( talk) 17:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi I am tired with "double standard policy" here I add an External link (Vote Results for this election by commune) and it is always deleted or I am blocked, off course, always with no explanations. If my external link is not a reference or official, there are some weird external links such as:
1. Polarisation and crisis - the French elections and the radical Left (blog !!) 2. AngusReid (French election polls in English)(??) 3. Funny elections Database at RangeVoting.org (??) 4. (English) Sarkozy speech after being elected (youtube !!)
These sites are nonely a reference or official such as the external link I proposed. So I removed them but the user Rama has reverted my modification, etc. Well, I feel very disappointed because I don't want a revert war. I feel that there is a double standard policy. When I propose an external link, it is not a reference, but when others propose blogs or personnal sites, it is ok. I read carefully Wikipedia policy regarding external links, if a rule applies, it applies for everybody ? Thank you to reply me --Blanchisserie 15:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
My response:
Blanchisserie here asserts that he is an academic. (1) Blanchisserie, please provide documentation of this, it will help. (2) Absent objection, I see no harm in adding this link, and it looks useful and neutral, meeting all qualifications. So if anyone does object -- and what happened on the French wikipedia is irrelevant -- please provide reasons here. -- Abd ( talk) 14:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually but not officially, Sarkozy start his caimpain in 2002, as minister of the Interior. He was on television many many times and declare to think about french presidency "not only when he shave" (answering to french journalist Alain Duhamel who ask if he think about when he shave). It was a sort of cold war between him and Jacques Chirac in order to be the candidate of the right, Sarkozy oppose Chirac in many ways. He also oppose strongly with Dominique de Villepin who was first minister from 2005 to 2007. This elements can be added I suppose. I'm french, sorry for the bad english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.183.200.245 ( talk) 22:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
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