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Map update
the map needs to be updated to show the Wad Madani offensive
I haven't seen any major updates from Sudan War Monitor in Gezira state, including the counteroffensive to retake Wad Madani. I think the current map is still fine.
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 14:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I would second what JohnAdams1800 stated. Has there been any significant changes which would justify updating the map showing significant changes in the offensive?
Jurisdicta (
talk) 01:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't believe so. There is reportedly an RSF offensive in
Al-Fashir (El Fasher) in North Darfur, but I haven't read of any major changes in territorial control. The SAF has gained control of Omdurman, but has not taken back control of Gezira state or the capital city of Khartoum. Similarly, the RSF has not appeared to take significant amounts of territory in recent months.
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 14:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Requested move 18 May 2024
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War in Sudan (2023–present) →
Sudanese civil war (2023–present) – The conflict is a civil war and this has become the most common name used, sources are such as Sky News:
[1] (It’s in the title.) BBC News:
[2] “… of the year-long Sudanese civil war” Independent:
[3] “… during a year-long civil war“ CNN:
[4] “Sudan has been gripped by civil war since April 2023”.
78.170.144.248 (
talk) 14:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (
permalink).
78.170.144.248 (
talk) 15:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Plus, the article states, "A civil war between two rival factions of the military government of Sudan, the Sudanese Armed Forces (SAF) under Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, and the paramilitary Rapid Support Forces (RSF) under the Janjaweed leader, Hemedti, began during Ramadan on 15 April 2023."
MasterOpel 21:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The Article names the war as a civil war numerous times, and I believe the rename is an accurate description of the war, and it also shares the perspective that the article seems to have.
67.60.68.232 (
talk) 22:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Modified support for Third Sudanese Civil War (2023-present), as
Sudanese Civil War is a disambiguation page that already mentions the
First Sudanese Civil War and
Second Sudanese Civil War. This armed conflict is a civil war, but it's the third major one in a country that has been repeatedly characterized by internal conflict.
JohnAdams1800 (
talk) 21:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
This is truly a third sudanese civil war. However, we need to use the most common name when referring to wikipedia’s policies, no source seems to give this conflict the historical name “third sudanese civil war”. Therefore it wouldn’t be valid to move it to that, rather we should move it to Sudanese civil war (2023–present).
78.170.144.248 (
talk) 05:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Strong support: There is no doubt it's a civil war and the current title isn't all that encompassing about the reality
Waleed (
talk) 07:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support as now multiple sources are calling it a civil war.
Lukt64 (
talk) 18:30, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support but would hold off on placing numerologies pending an actual source that describes it.
Borgenland (
talk) 05:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support
The war has been going on for a year now, and many sources are now calling it a civil war.
[1][2][3][4]
Not opposed if it lends clarity, but worth noting that the sources given above use civil war as a description, rather than as a specific name for this event.
CMD (
talk) 15:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. War in [country] is barely used on Wikipedia, and it is rarely used to refer to a civil war. "Civil War" is far more common.
Game2Winter (
talk) 19:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support per sources provided above. I would note that most major sources referred to this event as the "war in Sudan" (or some variation, see
this discussion) in the months following its outbreak, so it doesn't really matter what Wikipedia named different wars in that instance. Also, oppose Third Sudanese Civil War until proof is provided that sources are calling it such.
Yeoutie (
talk) 00:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support, though also open to Third Sudanese Civil War Might I ask what the standard is for whether you count something from scratch or number it? Growing up I read it usually had to do with whether or not one directly lead to another, like how the First Balkans War caused the Second One. That's how historians who named things would do it. So this would absolutely count as Third.
I really hope it isn't what the Media specifically is using because the bulk of them suck at getting details right when it comes to African conflicts.
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Analysis
Now that it has been flagged, is that one-man section really worth keeping in the article? There are lots of more concise analysis scattered throughout the article. The current section in question just sounds like borderline personal essay.
Borgenland (
talk) 17:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply