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The Servile State is currently a Politics and government good article nominee. Nominated by ThaesOfereode ( talk) at 23:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

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Short description: 1912 book by Hilaire Belloc

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 07:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Hilaire Belloc in 1910

... that in The Servile State, Hilaire Belloc (pictured) criticized socialism for being too similar to capitalism?

Source: "The [socialist] experiment is thoroughly suited [...] to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread." p. 78 NB that Belloc earlier defines socialism and collectivism as the same thing (p. 7) which is why the source calls it collectivism.

ALT1: ... that in The Servile State, Hilaire Belloc (pictured) traced the history of capitalism to the Protestant Reformation instead of the Industrial Revolution? Source: For the Reformation claim, see page 25; for the Industrial Revolution being incorrect see pp. 41–42
ALT2: ... that although it was written in 1912, George Orwell once described The Servile State as "foretell[ing] with remarkable insight" events that occurred from the 1930s onward? Source: "The Servile State is written in a tiresome style, and the remedy it suggests (a return to small-scale peasant ownership) is for many reasons impossible: still, it does foretell with remarkable insight the kind of things that have been happening from about 1930 onwards."
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oen Boen Ing
Comment: Open to other hooks; this page has plenty of DYK opportunities.

5x expanded by ThaesOfereode ( talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

ThaesOfereode ( talk) 23:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC). reply

Approving ALT0 and ALT1. Article is long enough and expanded same day as DYK nomination. Article is well-sourced, copyvio-free, and presentable. Hooks are all interesting and sourced; I prefer the first two ALTs because ALT 2 requires prior knowledge of who George Orwell was, and because it just isn't as aesthetically pleasing due to the brackets. QPQ done. Image meets criteria. Overall, great nomination, thank you ThaesOfereode. Kimikel ( talk) 20:16, 30 June 2024 (UTC) reply