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This article was created in 2018 with the edit comment "spygate" refers to trumps claims that his campaign was spied on.
Since then it has become specifically about an embedded campaign informant and specifically about the Obama administration. I think limiting the scope to that is unsupported by the way "spygate" is referred to in the reliable sources. Below are some examples of the way the term spygate is described:
And finally here is an MSNBC opinion columnist implying that spygate has morphed into many things over time, sort of illustrating my point here:
Over the course of his presidency’s first year, Donald Trump came up with a conspiracy theory he seemed quite excited about. The Republican called it “Spygate.”
If you’re struggling to remember the details of the manufactured controversy, don’t feel too bad about it: Trump also had a hard time explaining exactly what he thought the story was all about. In 2017, for example, Trump invested a fair amount of energy pretending that Barack Obama had wiretapped Trump Tower. (There was no such wiretapping.) A year later, “Spygate” involved an imagined scheme in which the FBI put a spy in his 2016 political operation. (That didn’t happen, either.)
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Four years later, the now-former president has apparently decided to tweak his conspiracy theory, swapping out one central detail for another. In the new iteration, Barack Obama didn’t spy on him, but Hillary Clinton did. [5]
There are many aspects to this and it involves international people and non-government people. The way things are now, it's confusing where the scope of one related page ends and another begins. I think this is the place to really tie it all together since this is the term most commonly used to refer to all of it. Nweil ( talk) 16:37, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
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Why isn't this mentioned? 205.149.37.229 ( talk) 23:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
Tiggy The Terrible, sure, I'll explain this as it has many confusing angles. We treat the WSJ Editorial Board with strong suspicion around here because of their poor track record and their very strongly biased political POV. (Bias is okay, but a very strong bias warps everything.) They are Rupert Murdoch mouthpieces (he owns the WSJ), ergo as bad as Fox News, and they, like Fox News, are not a RS for American politics and science. They are only a RS for their opinion. They tend to be much further to the right than just right-wing, and that means they often bend or ignore the facts in their efforts to support Trump's conspiracy theories, just as Durham did in his so-called "report" (a partisan junk source). So caution is advised. Don't treat any opinions as facts, especially theirs. Also, the Sussmann/tech business is dealt with. Durham tried unsuccessfully to make that seem like part of a Clinton plot. You may wonder why the Durham Report is a junk source. It becomes pretty obvious when you FIRST read the trial, all the testimony and evidence, and his behavior as a prosecutor in court (clearly a Trump/Barr mouthpiece), and THEN read his "report". It is a far cry from the Horowitz report, which was apolitical and professional, a truly great report. Compare them. It's really interesting. Durham lost in court because of his partisan agenda and dependence on liars (like Giuliani and his Russian intelligence friends) as sources, and he reproduced what he did and said in court in his report, IOW he used his losing strategy(!), unchanged(!!!!!), as the basis for his report, so, of course, the report itself is an unreliable document. It seeks desperately to find ways (usually using innuendo and assertions, not solid evidence) to support Trump's conspiracy theories, but it fails in that endeavor. (Any attempts to defend Trump always fail because his foundation is nothing but lies.) Our articles here are much better and more accurate because they depend on multiple RS. Read them and believe them. Here's another angle on the "mole" assertion. For those who remember the news when it exploded on all news sources (and I and Soibangla do remember), the information about the Russian willingness to share "dirt" about Clinton with the Trump campaign was claimed by Trump and others to be info from a Clinton/DNC "mole" in his campaign (shoot the source while not denying the truth of the incriminating claim), but later we learned all the facts. That info was from Papadopoulos. (See loose lips sink ships. Papadopoulos, Carter Page, and Sergei Millian are all boasters and loose lips, and Millian immediately left the country and disappeared. I'm surprised Carter Page and Papadopoulos didn't do the same.) He was not a mole, but a loyal member of the Trump team whose info was given to American intelligence by the Australians. He was even ahead of the FBI. What he revealed was shocking and alarming to the FBI, as it showed the Russians were clearly supporting Trump (something they promised Trump in 2013 that they would do), and that the Trump campaign knew and was willing to act illegally and unpatriotically in these efforts because both parties would benefit from a Trump presidency. The campaign lied about this information and hid it from the FBI and the public. ((This "internal" knowledge explains why Donald Trump Jr. was so ecstatic ("if it's what you say I love it") about the invitation to hold the Trump Tower meeting. He had been waiting for the promised "dirt", but he was disappointed because there was no dirt on Clinton, nothing of the type of real dirt and kompromat the Russians have on Trump.)) This info from Papadopoulos was the first solid actionable evidence of collusion between the Russians and the Trump team, and that gave the FBI legitimate probable cause to immediately open the Crossfire Hurricane investigation on July 31, 2016, long before the FBI team got the first Steele dossier reports on September 19. The FBI already knew of the Russian hackings and about myriad suspicious and unexplainable (not legitimate) contacts between Trump people and known Russian spies all over Europe in 2015 and 2016, but this was real proof to act on. On page 110 of his 2020 book Compromised: Counterintelligence and the Threat of Donald J. Trump, Peter Strzok, former FBI deputy assistant director of counterintelligence, says this:
There was no "mole" in the campaign. Even Halper was not a "mole". He was a legitimate investigator for the FBI, and he never attempted to join the Trump campaign. This thread is just troll bait, a waste of time, and should be archived. This article explains this stuff, and those who question it should be directed to read it, believe the RS we use, and stop wasting our time on this talk page. If any editors insist on disbelieving RS and believing conspiracy theories, they don't belong at Wikipedia, because Wikipedia does side with RS. Tiggy, I trust you do believe RS and will act accordingly. Feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have more questions. -- Valjean ( talk) ( PING me) 18:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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The Durham Report ( https://www.justice.gov/storage/durhamreport.pdf) confirms much of what is currently labeled as "conspiracy theory" in this article, including that all of the major players at the FBI, CIA, and Obama White House knew there was no substance to the "Russia/Trump collusion" theory, yet opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation anyway. WikiJohnS ( talk) 21:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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To make the article more accurate-\ Spygate was a disproven[1] conspiracy theory peddled by 45th U.S. President Donald Trump
Spygate is a proven[1] conspiracy theory peddled by 45th U.S. President Donald Trump RomaBoy ( talk) 16:35, 14 February 2024 (UTC)