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Was that the name of the coup plot or was it the name of the counter-coup by those loyal to Hitler? --
105.8.7.22 (
talk) 13:55, 8 February 2022 (UTC)reply
There was no coup plot. The term refers to the event of Hitler purging several opponents both inside the Nazi Party and outside.
Str1977(talk) 04:50, 13 September 2022 (UTC)reply
That’s an understatement. At least 85 people were known to have been murdered, with estimates up to 700 and 1000. The SA lost it’s leadership and power and the military willingly subjugated itself to help the actions be carried out.
Kierzek (
talk) 04:58, 13 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Talk about missing the point.
Str1977(talk) 15:31, 14 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I agree you did apparently miss my point.
Kierzek (
talk) 15:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)reply
"Use mdy dates"
For what reason? AFAICS all other articles on Nazi topics use dmy.
Harfarhs (
talk) 16:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I agree. The subject is European, and the article uses British English - it should use dmy dates.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 22:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I've been BOLD and gone ahead and changed dates to dmy -- that is, if I used the script I just installed correctly.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 03:35, 1 October 2022 (UTC)reply
"Röhm purge (German: Röhm-Putsch)"
The article currently reads "Röhm purge (German: Röhm-Putsch)". I think that's misleading, "Röhm-Putsch" translates to "Röhm coup" (i.e. Hitler claiming that Röhm planned a coup, which Röhm did not). "Purge" would be "Säuberung", but I think the closest term used by German historians is "Röhm-Morde" (Röhm murders). Note that Röhm-Putsch is the term preferred by German historians, even though it was Hitler's propaganda term and not an accurate reflection of reality.
Xjcl (
talk) 11:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)reply
It's not a literal translation, it's the
WP:COMMON term used in English.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 00:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Agree with this. The common English phrase is "Night of the Long Knives". In German it was sometimes called the Röhm Putsch to suggest that Röhm was planning a coup. The alternate title in English should either be "Röhm Coup", or just have two German phrases for Night of the Long Knives (Nacht der Langen Messer and Röhm Putsch. This is the
WP:COMMON-approved answer. --
Quark1005 (
talk) 21:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Hitler's move would be to strengthen his position with the army by moving against its nemesis, the SA
User:Beyond My Ken What does that sentence even mean? You insist on its retention, so explain its meaning. The sentence is unclear and the narrative flows better without it.
Mztourist (
talk) 03:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)reply
No matter, I've re-written it and moved it in the section.
Beyond My Ken (
talk) 03:12, 20 December 2022 (UTC)reply
The article says Heines was found in bed with "an unidentified eighteen-year-old male".
Victims of the Night of the Long Knives identifies the male as Erich Schiewek, who actually has a biography in the German Wikipedia
[1] - according to which he was aged 20 rather than 18.
Muzilon (
talk) 12:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That may be so, but the RS cited source used herein for the current information written, apparently does not state that.
Kierzek (
talk) 20:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I know its cited to Shirer’s work; which, I have never had. Kempka, I have (not a great RS source, a mixed bag) and Kershaw, I have and he still is a top RS source and I know his work very well, but I am out of town. So, I cannot check as to specifics.
Kierzek (
talk) 03:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Kershaw (1999) is available on the Internet Archive. Actually, I've just checked it and don't see any mention of Erick Schiewek by name in the text. I've added a {{failed verification}} tag to the reference in
Victims of the Night of the Long Knives.
Muzilon (
talk) 08:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply