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Nitric acid is not an oxidant so it surpised me to see it listed with "fuels" (the combination needs fuel and a reactive agent). UDMH is normally used with the oxidant Nitrogen Tetroxide, however I do not have record of what they were using on this ocassion
The aftermath section has a sentence that reads "A memorial to the dead technicians was erected near Baikonur and is still visited by RKA officals before any manned launch."
Is it true that RKA officials visit before any manned launch? What's the citation for this?
Cheers,Barce 18 July 2005 23:29:43 PDT
Can either of you cite a published referance disputing the posted info? You may think that "posts that are disputed,or likely to be have to cite a published referance" means any dispute posted by any jackass on the planet. No. The policy of wikipedia is all posts have to comply with wiki policy. First assume good faith means the info posted is assumed to be posted in good faith not requiring tasking the poster unless it's disputed, or likely to be disputed by published sources. Otherwise we have citation lists that are longer than the articls. All because every ignorant attention seeking jerk on the planet disputes everything. That means that most "citation required" posts are in bad faith. Neither of you have any citable source to dispute that post. You're pulling "citation required" out of your hat. 98.164.64.68 ( talk) 04:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Both the "R-12" and "R-14" references, which should point at other launchers, point at refrigerant entries instead.
Kurt Brandon 16 September 2005 22:22:00
Just happened to notice, 1960 says 91 people died in the disaster while October 24 gives a figure of 165 people. I don't know what the real death toll is, but at least I know a contradiction when I see one. Someone should probably fix it and then add the accurate number to the Nedelin catastrophe article. - green_meklar
126 victims, including those who died in the hospitals. Source: B.E.Chertok. Missiles and People. Fili-Podlipki-Tyuratam. 212.188.108.195 08:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We need better sourcing for these numbers, I was just noticing that. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 20:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Let's face it... the old Soviet government did a lot of covering up on that disaster. To tell the truth, the world might never know the true number, so I'm afraid that this estimating is the best that anyone can do. BiggKwell 01:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Right, but we're not supposed to make our own estimates, so we need precisely sourced ones. Night Gyr ( talk/ Oy) 03:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
The sources listed at the bottom of the article in the external links, all give different estimates. You will not be able to come up with a figure that has any certainty to it; the article will need a casualty figure couched in terms such as "The official deathtoll was 90 but estimates are as high as 200, with c.120 being the generally accepted figure." (See http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/spacecraft/q0179.shtml, where we read: "However, the true casualty list has always remained a mystery. More recent investigations have estimated the death toll as high as 200. The best estimate, however, appears to be around 122 fatalities. This value includes 74 killed in the blast and 48 who died over subsequent weeks from injuries due to burns or exposure to toxic chemicals." This article http://www.russianspaceweb.com/r16_disaster.html which is also an external link at the bottom of the article, only gives the official figure and does not voice any doubt about them. Possibly they are following the lead of Ogonyok, but I no longer have any back issues of it handy to check. There is, after all, the possibility that the official deathtoll was accurate, isn't there? Hi There 08:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
This is a perfect example of where info disputed or likely to be should have a published citations. The disputes are published and should be in the article not only for accuracy in what will always be an unreliable history but also because the notorious unreliability of published soviet info and the published disputes of soviet info are part of this story as the history of this story.
98.164.64.68 ( talk) 05:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
The coordinates listed at the top of the article direct to a pad located two pads to the west of that which is listed in the Wikipedia article on the Baikonur Cosmodrome, as well as Russian edits of the same site in Wikimapia. MVD ( talk) 15:29, 10 December 2011 (UTC) Upon further review of the area, it may be that Site 41 encompasses a larger perimeter than initially interpreted. The exact location directed to by the listed coordinates may suffice, but further review may also be warranted. MVD ( talk) 17:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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According to Boris Chertok in Rockets and People, this was a design flaw, not a short circuit, in the control system. The operators in resolving launch problems bypassed at least two safety systems; when the control system was reset to the correct initial condition, due to this design flaw, second stage ignition was ordered. Partridgefoot ( talk) 19:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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Is this an error? Challenger killed 7 people on launch. Devgirl ( talk) 16:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
2003 Alcântara VLS accident /info/en/?search=VLS-1_V03
A similar accident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.126.211.193 ( talk) 00:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)