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There does not appear to be consensus for these recent major changes to the article. Let's discuss these changes piece-by-piece. I am undoing the most recent edit, as it was the third revert by the same IP address. Me and User:Jim1138 both disagreed with this editor's changes. Let's see if we can all agree on next steps here. Marquardtika ( talk) 03:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
50.195.72.217 ( talk)OK fine, but realize that I was taking the info directly from the article. But I wont add it back. What about the addition below? 50.195.72.217 ( talk) Ok, what about the following? How about I add it and you can edit it if you think I wrote something incorrectly? Most of it is direct quotes:
In 2015, Mulvaney voted against a resolution that would fund the government, in part because it included funding for Planned Parenthood. Mulvaney stated “This is not about women’s health; it’s about trafficking in pieces of dead children.” [1]
Mulvaney has fought against gun control initiatives. [2]
Mulvaney supported the Regulatory Improvement Act of 2015, which would “[create] a commission tasked with eliminating and revising outdated and redundant federal regulations.” [3]
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Mulvaney has been associated with the Tea Party. In 2015, he voted against a resolution that would fund the government, in part because it included funding for Planned Parenthood. [1]
Mulvaney has opposed gun control initiatives. [2]
He supported the Regulatory Improvement Act of 2015, which would “[create] a commission tasked with eliminating and revising outdated and redundant federal regulations.” [3] Marquardtika ( talk) 17:20, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
According to CNN, "economists debate the best way to calculate statistics. But there is no evidence that the Bureau of Labor Statistics fudges its unemployment data." [4] It'sAllinthePhrasing ( talk) 01:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
PolitiFact noted that "the initial CBO analysis of the Affordable Care Act did forecast that more people would participate in health care exchanges than actually did, but the CBO has revised those estimates. Moreover, independent analyses, as well as experts agree that the CBO offers some of the best estimates given the information available at the time." [5] It'sAllinthePhrasing ( talk) 01:46, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
As Mulvaney was promoting AHCA in March 2017, he made several statements about the Affordable Care Act, which were found to be false by the Washington Post fact-checker. Mulvaney said that the Affordable Care Act was drafted with no committee hearings and that no ordinary American could read the bill before it was passed. The Washington Post noted that "the process that led to the Affordable Care Act was lengthy and complex, but involved numerous hearings and ample time for public comment and input. Any suggestion to the contrary is ridiculous." [6] It'sAllinthePhrasing ( talk) 02:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
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I'm not reverting it, because it'll be accurate soon enough, but...as I write this on the afternoon of February 16, 2017, although he's been confirmed, Mulvaney has neither officially resigned from Congress nor been sworn in as OMB Director. The article has already been updated to reflect these events, but that's technically inaccurate until it actually happens. Please don't jump the gun. Thanks. JTRH ( talk) 19:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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Lots of sources but not capable of determining the acceptable ones. Just google him and bitcoin. Sure seems that relevant to the article.
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Watchers of this page might be interested in this discussion. Thanks. — cnzx ( talk) 04:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Seeking no funding going forward would seem to suggest sabotage. Wikipietime ( talk) 15:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
THERE IS A TYPO IN "FRO 14 months" should read as "FOR 14 MONTHS" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:9880:4248:2D:6040:11B5:1CAF:65F4 ( talk) 23:07, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
The text says "The budget would remove $272 billion from welfare programs, including $272 billion from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, also known as food stamps." It is surprising that an amount of 272 billion includes an amount of 272 billion. Is this the way it should be? Joreberg ( talk) 23:40, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be encyclopedic to report Mulvaney's selection and service as Chief of Staff in the dated past tense--avoiding the present "is serving" and present-oriented expressions like "currently"? Scanning the article, I notice also that the present perfect tense pervades: Mulvaney has done this or that throughout, with additional sourced information given in the same tense--implying that the events are recent and their effects ongoing. If this article is to be a permanent encyclopedia entry comprising historical content, these forms were better converted to past tense. (I'm not suggesting anything about the content--just the form.) Jackaroodave ( talk) 11:51, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
One editors keeps removing the following text [1]:
The editor does so with the stated rationale: "this section is his time in Congress, not his time at the OMB." The text in question is both about his time in Congres and his time at the OMB. Furthermore, the editor should simply move this to the correct section if the placement is such a problem rather than scrub it from the article. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 14:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
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Statements made by Mulvaney, the acting WH chief of staff, about the Trump administration's health care reform proposals which were covered by RS belong in the article. The content clearly meets WP:DUE and WP:RS. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:43, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
At some point, some editor added that Mulvaney adheres to Keynesianism (just because Mulvaney has flip-flopped on the dangers of deficits). I removed it, as it was unsourced and seemed to be WP:OR. An editor restored this text, so I'm starting this talk page discussion to resolve this. Given that this is a BLP, it could be construed as a BLP vio to add that he's a Keynesian without any sourcing (in particular, given that Keynesianism does not necessarily have a good reputation in the wing of the GOP that Mulvaney could be considered part of). Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 01:45, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
The consensus is that this article should cover White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney's false claims about the White House's health care proposals. There is no consensus about whether to use Snooganssnoogans' wording or R2's wording, so there is no prejudice against discussing this further.
Should this article cover White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney's false claims about the White House's health care proposals? Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 15:51, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
The text would go something along these lines:
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In March 2019, Mulvaney misleadingly claimed, "every single (health care) plan that this White House has ever put forward since Donald Trump was elected covered pre-existing conditions." In fact, all the health care proposals supported by the White House would have weakened protections for individuals with preexisting conditions, and led to gaps in health insurance coverage and higher premium rates.R2 ( bleep) 19:20, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Snooganssnoogans, I have a question for you, before I commit. Why this particular comment of Mulvaney's? This is a WP:DUEWEIGHT issue for me. Any politician or public figure in a high position, especially one whose job includes making public statements as part of his job, is going to make a lot of comments that the political opposition is going to try to seize on and if possible, attack. If I do a web search on "Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney" and look at 100 results, the first one having to do with Health care is at result #23 ( this FactCheck article from April). That one is relevant; none of the others are. Which means, there are another 99 we could pick to put in the article (or maybe they already are there, and probably a lot of them are duplicates).
Or, looking at it differently, if we search for "Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney" in quotes plus "health care" in quotes, we get 27k results. (Only 5k results with "preexisting conditions" instead of "health care".) Replacing "health care" with one search term, like budget, Sanders, tariffs, racism, Mueller, Clinton, deficit, immigration, economy, Putin, Mexico, Guatemala, Iran, unemployment, Cuba, wall, defense, drugs, money-laundering, China, Merkel—they all have as many or more results than health care does.
Another angle on the due-weight issue is this: every President gets their share of fact-checking, with President Trump undoubtedly getting more attention than most, with constant attention in the press to the veracity of his statements. To what extent is this also true of Mulvaney? Is it to the point where adding Mulvaney's fact-checked statements about health care represent a significant portion of the attention the press plays to him more generally?
So, in sum: why this particular issue about the White House health care proposals? And if it is included, about how much space would you accord to it, and where in the article? ( Summoned by bot) Mathglot ( talk) 09:22, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
"Mulvaney is involved in the Trump–Ukraine controversy." A very neutral statement. Commendable actually, in its own way. Absurd though, in another light: a very bare statement, it's either important enough to have more specifics in his own bio, or it's not really important enough to even mention if not to say what it is. I suppose some allowance must be made for it being more of a "current event" than an encyclopedia historical event, or a type of See Also to this other fluid article. On the other hand, the "involved" statement could be taken a different way: it seems to imply some culpability or major involvement, though the linked article doesn't seem to say anything of the sort, not anything more than a neutral un-"involved" person would be while being employed as White House Chief of Staff or OMB Director, or working in the government generally. The citations are of mixed opinion so I suppose that is the prism of the difficulty. 2601:181:C381:6C80:8410:F7F2:9D2F:BCA1 ( talk) 20:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
as the inquiry leaders believe Mulvaney "may have been directly involved in an effort orchestrated" by Trump and Rudy Giuliani to withhold a "White House meeting and nearly $400 million in security assistance" in order to pressure Ukraine to pursue investigations that would benefit "Trump's personal political interests, and jeopardized our national security." X1\ ( talk) 00:08, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm no native speaker. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/14/mick-mulvaney-acting-white-house-chief-of-staff?CMP=twt_gu He’s the acting chief of staff, which means he’s the chief of staff.] (14 dec 2018) Maybe he de facto started at the beginning of 2019 (14 Dec. 2018 was a Friday, Monday 17 until Friday 22 was the last week before Christmas). -- Neun-x ( talk) 08:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
It would be nice if we had some information regarding his involvement in the Equifax Data Breach probe. "In November 2017, Mick Mulvaney, President Donald Trump's budget chief (appointed by Trump to replace Cordray) was reported by Reuters to have "pulled back" on the [2017 Equifax Data Breach] probe, along with shelving Cordray's plans for on-the-ground tests of how Equifax protects data. The CFPB also rebuffed bank regulators at the Federal Reserve Bank, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and Office of the Comptroller of the Currency who offered to assist with on-site exams of credit bureaus. Senator Elizabeth Warren, who released a report on the Equifax breach in February 2018, criticized Mulvaney's actions, stating: "We're unveiling this report while Mick Mulvaney is killing the consumer agency's probe into the Equifax breach. Mick Mulvaney shoots another middle finger at consumers.” https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/senator-warren-raises-new-concerns-about-equifax-turning-away-customers-impacted-by-data-breach-and-seeking-settlement-awards 190.113.111.51 ( talk) 14:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm restoring the article to the pre-dispute state and opening this discussion. There seems to be disagreement about the inclusion of information about the Ukraine scandal. Regardless of my personal political views, the information in question is backed by numerous reliable sources (as per WP:RSP) and even a video stating Mulvaney's exact words. The bias of the sources in question has been brought up. Yes, the Wikipedia community acknowledges press bias, but despite that, in discussions, the community consensus is that the sources are still factually reliable, despite their bias. The same fact can be presented in different ways in aiming to influence readers - that doesn't change the fact that what is reported is still a factual event and not a fabrication. Thus, I believe the section should not be removed. Herbfur (Eric, He/Him) ( talk) 03:35, 4 January 2023 (UTC)