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I thought that some of the comments were either redundant, or POV - we already categorize by general leaning, and can discuss details either with a paragraph on each, or on their page - what do you think?
Also, isn't the official title of the Conservatives the Conservative and Unionist Party? 2toise 10:53, 23 Oct 2003 (UTC)
I don't think it's fair to identify them as a 'joke party'. They appear to be entirely earnestly serious. Morwen - Talk 16:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I have moved Veritas to Minor UK Parties as Robert Kilroy-Silk, its former leader, no longer sits as a Veritas member of the European Parliament but with the Non-Inscrits (unattached MEPs).
For the sake of consistency, does anyone object to listing the London Assembly as an elected body (as per the Electoral Commission website http://www.electoralcommission.gov.uk/regulatory-issues/partylinks.cfm ? If not I will slot it in after the Northern Ireland Assembly. Sceptic 18:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
Sceptic 17:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
A possible way to simplify the lists of parties with representation on various bodies would be to include a table along the following lines. What do you think? Warofdreams talk 03:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Party | Representation | Comments | ||||
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United Kingdom | Scotland | Wales | Northern Ireland | Europe | ||
Democratic Unionist Party | 9 | N/A | N/A | 33 | 1 | Unionist party in Northern Ireland |
Sinn Féin | 5 | N/A | N/A | 18 | 1 | Republican party in Northern Ireland. Do not take their seats in the British House of Commons. |
How should the Blaenau Gwent People's Voice Group be represented? One MP and one Welsh AM are connected to the BGPVG, although neither actually used BGPVG as their description on the relevant ballot papers. Bondegezou 17:21, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I see there is much confusion with people moving current parties into the defunct list by accident. Would it be a good idea to reduce the size of the aticle to put defunct parties in a separate list and maybe rename this list List of current political parties in the UK ? Sceptic 13:08, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there no organized party in the UK, other than Sinn Fein, that openly opposes the existence of the monarchy? -- Trovatore 06:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
According to Liberal Democrats, the Lib Dems have 62 seats in the House of Commons. However, this page and the infobox say 63. Which is correct? Cheesy 06:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm, I thought that the Lib-Dems moved slightly to the right after 1999, as per the political compass Asha28 ( talk) 16:48, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
There's a big problem with talking about left-right politics in the UK today: Labour, Tories & LibDems are all basicaly centre-right wing. They all champion free market economics, and suggest similar rates of taxes. If we really want to be objective, our definitions of left and right should not change! Instead we need to be very careful when we say that 'Labour...now claims the "centre ground" of British politics', and differentiate between the centre of public opinion in the UK, and a constant, objective centre. I suggest using the political compass as a guide as to left/right position. What do peeps think??? Asha28 ( talk) 21:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, BTW. BNP are not economicaly right-wing, they are economicaly centralist, but socialy authoritarian, a similar position to Hitler's NAZI party. No I'm not trying to have a go at anyone (at the moment), just point out that Hitler wasn't really right-wing either. Asha28 ( talk) 21:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm trying to sort out the Right/Left descriptions on this page 'List of political parties in the United Kingdom' and seem to have come across some opposition. Please allow me to explain...
I think this is largely due to the illusion that the centre ground of British politics is static: It's not! Even over the last 30 years, a huge sweep to the right has occured, first with Thatcher pulling the Tories right, then New Labour abandoning socialism and shifting their policies in line with the old Tory ones, then the LibDems slowly drifting after them, until there is really very little difference between them all on an economic scale.
However, because the general population has also accepted the new right-wing thinking, Labour are still viewed subjectively as 'a little bit left of what people think' and the Tories as 'a little bit right of what people think'.
Using measures like this that are in a constant state of flux is misleading, unscientific, and opposed to the principles of neutrality. We've put ourselves in the position of the blind leading the blind and it's very hard (on wikipedia) to make people realise that their traditional views of left and right are biased towards current trends.
Consensus is not a subtitute for neutral, scientific, objective POV (The world is flat is the traditional example I believe)
Asha28 ( talk) 14:34, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
What about something like this (chopped down a bit) for the LibDems, as found on the LibDem page... States sources for not placing them on the Political Left-Right at all, and quotes PC as opinion rather than fact...
For Labour...
Conservatives...
The one that really niggles me is the claim that the LibDems are moving Left...care to point me towards a source... Asha28 ( talk) 01:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps we need a new page Political positions of British political parties or somesuchlike to try to collect views on the major (oh dear, into that debate) parties, including the views of members of the party itself, views of members of opposing parties, views of thinktanks/lobbying bodies, public perception, academic policy analysis ...etc. What do you think? Are there enough political analysts out there... people who are doing work like political compass, but with more weight behind them? Asha28 ( talk) 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The discussion above about minor parties brings me to Wikipedia:Notability (political parties). I really think this could work out, I hope the discussions can restart and allow this proposal to become policy doktorb words deeds 17:29, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
A few minor parties ( English Independence Party, British Public Party, SOS! Voters Against Overdevelopment of Northampton) have recently been up at AfD, and it seems that the general consensus is for us not to have articles on them. Unless or until this changes, when a minor party's article is deleted, would it be acceptable to replace the link on this page with a direct link to the party's website? Or should we leave them black, and let the interested rely on Google for information? Tevildo ( talk) 00:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
← OK. We disagree on the statement "a self-published source is better than no source at all". You think we can use them, I think we can't. Let's not go backwards and forwards on that any more. Let's conclude that discussion with what I think we do agree on:
On that basis I've removed some parties from this list. We also need to go back to the original question: should we take out the inline external links? We have four options:
It seems to me that we can't leave them as they are. Wikipedia:External links#External links section and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#External_links say that external links should be in an external links section at the end, not in-line.
I think either of the last two options would be ok, but I think we should take them out altogether. Any party listed here has a source backing it up already, either in the form of the electoral register, or with citations on its own page if it has one. A party is either notable or it isn't; if it is, we should create a page for it, and put the external link there. If it isn't, we shouldn't include the link here instead. Comments, anyone? -- HughCharlesParker ( talk - contribs) 12:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Why are the conservatives listed as having 71 seats, despite above it says they have 197, Labour as having 354 despite it saying 355 above and the Liberal Democrats as having 13 despite it saying they have 63 seats above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.43.211 ( talk) 16:25, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I have been thinking for many years that the 'man in the street' has nothing to refer to when trying to sum up the ideologies of the different political parties of the United Kingdom and also when deciding who to vote for at Local, European and General Elections.
This may be a factor in low turn out at elections. Many citizens do not know enough to vote for any particular political party, some even voting for the party their parents voted for without even knowing the party's policies.
The Party Political Broadcasts only mention the positive issues and obviously omit the negative. Is there anyone whom has the time, inclination and also impartiality to design a similar table to the US one shown on the Wiki page that the link below links to? [ [1]]
Suggested parties and their policies could be: Labour, Conservative, Liberal Democrats, Green Party, BNP, UKIP, (and English Democrats Party/Plaid Cymru/SNP/Sinn Féin).
I think this is sadly lacking anywhere and it would be impossible for the media to do because of their lack of impartiality.
Crd3000 ( talk) 17:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Firstly I have to proclaim a vested interest here because I have started a political party. Be that as it may, this page appears to me to be a list of the political parties in the United Kingdom as registered with the electoral commission. http://registers.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regpoliticalparties.cfm?ec=%7Bts%20%272009%2D07%2D14%2016%3A08%3A26%27%7D Even though I am not good at this sort of thing, after repeatedly asking for help I tried to add best of a bad bunch myself and some twit removed it on the grounds that it was ‘not notable’. If it was a list of countries then no one would remove Belgium on the grounds that was ‘not notable’. Would anyone go to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Orthoptera_and_allied_insects_recorded_in_Britain and remove the Bog bush-cricket on the grounds that no one has ever seen one, let alone noted it? Tempted though I am, the answer has to be no. The original vision of Wikipedia was to put the sum total of human knowledge on the internet. Obvioulsy there have to be some rules, as was pointed out to me earlier you cannot have people writing articles about ex girlfriends but this is nowhere near that situation. There will come a time, I hope, when Best of a Bad Bunch deserves its own page but I would admit that it is too soon for that. Right now I am just trying to get the brute fact that it exists accepted by Wikipedia. I will return to the question in the subject. Is this supposed to be a complete list or not? If it is not then I don’t see the point in having it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andylear ( talk • contribs) 15:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think either the Green Party nor UKIP can fairly be described as "major parties". Yes, they have a handful of MEPs, but their size is simply not comparable with the three large parties. I suggest that parties with MPs/MEPs/MSPs/MWAs are listed seperately under the appropriate titles, and that only liblabcon parties are called "major". 80.255 20:09, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I dunno what i'm doing wrong here but every time I edit this page, lumps of random text spring up in the saved version that I didn't put there and weren't in the preview. I tried undoing but that had the same effect. Anyone have any ideas what i'm doing wrong? Jh39 ( talk) 23:44, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that's what i thought at first, but i undid my edit and there still seemed to be bits of reference in the text that weren't there before. Also I swear I didn't touch any references. In fact, there are none in the bit of the article i editted. Jh39 ( talk) 14:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Rather than jump in and be bold, and make this change, I will discuss it here first.
Surely the English Democrats Party doesn't belong in the table of parties with elected reps at national/international level. The table is zeros accross the board, implying no elected reps.
No comment of their worthiness/unwoirthiness is implied, it just struck me as an error to be corrected.
Catwhoorg ( talk) 12:21, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
The humanist party site looks like it's been hacked (note the link to 'buy gold) http://www.humanistparty.org.uk/
There is also a link to veritas on the left side bar. Should they be removed from this list? 90.206.110.238 ( talk) 19:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone explain to me why the UPP have been put under 'joke parties'? I know that they're small to the point of irrelevance, but unless I'm missing something, they are a serious party. 91.104.31.252 ( talk) 00:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
A lot of the statements in the note section of the table seem dubious or out of date and none of them are sourced. Should we we looking to a political text book or similar for that material? -- Snowded TALK 18:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
The British freedom party is not a joke party and I have removed the link. Grow up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenpenwriter ( talk • ( Greenpenwriter ( talk) 23:20, 22 January 2012 (UTC) contribs) 23:17, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
To get round the debate of what a major or a minor political party is, why don't we re-organise so that the parties are broken into 3 main categories:
(i) parties with parliamentary or assembly representation; (ii) parties without parliamentary or assembly representation; and (iii) defunct parties.
This way we avoid the subjective distinction between major and minor. For example I think a good case could certainly be made for the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Ulster Unionists, DUP, Sinn Fein and SDLP to be considered major parties, but others disagree. The benefit about the split I have suggested is that it is merely factual.
What do people think?
If UKIP are considered a major party shoudn't the BNP be? Regardless of their ideologies, they are doing significantly better than UKIP, based on the local election results 2007, in most wards the BNP beat them, as well as coming very close, if not beating some of the major parties [Lib-Lab-Con].
What do people think?
I recently saw a reference to The Communist Party of Wales, which is not on the list. However, the website that google cames up with (www.welshcommunists.co.uk) is for the Welsh section of the Communist Party of Britain. Have the CPB pinched the CPW's web-site? Or maybe the CPW have never existed as a separate entity? Any ideas, anybody? GrahamN 14:51, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I'm a bit dubious about the description of Labour as "centre-left to centre-right". Surely John McDonnell, Diane Abbott, Jeremy Corbyn, Bob Marshall-Andrews and other Socialist Campaign Group MPs could be regarded as the left (rather than merely centre-left), particularly if Lib Dems are categorized as supposedly centre-left? And why are Lib Dems "centre-left (previously centre)". Surely the Lib Dems have moved rightwards since the 80s just as all the other parties have. The tax changes they propose now are less radical than their 1992 proposals. The only reason for supposing that they have moved leftwards would be if we define left/right in relative rather than absolute terms. But if we define left/right in relative terms, then how can Labour be regarded as right of centre? Incidentally, is it really impartial and NPOV to suggest that Lib Dems are left of Labour, bearing mind that (1) Lib Dem conference voted in favour of post office privatization, a position rejected by Labour, (2) the Lib Dems are clearly moving rightwards (e.g. the Orange Book - though this isn't official policy), (3) in 2002 the Lib Dems condemned Labour's rises in the minimum wage as "dangerous" and said that these minimum wage rises "threatened" support for the very principle of the MW - note, the Lib Dem policy here is more rightwing even than the Blairite policy (the policy of the Labour right), let alone the policy of the Labour left. (4) Lib Dems are in coalition with Tories in town councils up and down the country - municipally, Lib Dem-Tory alliances are very much more common than Labour-Tory alliances. (5) A small leftwing minority of Labour MPs opposed the Kosovo and Afghan wars. Lib Dems were the strongest supporters of the former and only one Lib Dem (ironically a Labour defector who has now defected back to Labour) opposed the Afghan war - which is smaller even as a proportion,let alone in absolute terms. -- 217.44.206.197 20:06, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Sorry about the above ramble but I wanted to explain my reasons. Another thing is that Labour MEPs have just voted in favour of enforcing the EU working-time directive (whereas Lib Dems have voted to continue with the opt-out). So I'm going to go ahead and change the text. 217.44.206.138 19:24, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
== Why are the English Democrats down as a far-right party? I'd call them right-wing, but they're not racist or anti-democratic. Supporting the legalisation of cannabis is hardly a far-right thing to do.
Confusion with the English Independence Party perhaps? The EIP support the death penalty (for about five million people by the look of it), believe a woman's place is in the home, and are overtly racist. Compared with them the EDP are positively centre-left. Anyway, listing of EDP has changed now.
==
Green Party description needs expanding. Republicanism is not false but not exactly representative of their alignment. They are economic left-wing, socialist, cultural/social liberals, support proportional representation and pacifism. Call for complete EU reform.
87.115.198.118 (
talk) 22:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
There are about 14 simultaneous AFDs about UK political parties going on:
This section seems ridiculous to me. The heading title is Major Political Parties in the UK but lists only three. For sure these are the biggest in the UK, but the article implies that the parties with pluralities in Scotland and NI, to whom the First Ministers belong, are not major. This section should be renamed, deleted, or should include at least SNP, Plaid Cymru and the major parties in NI. -- 81.178.71.82 ( talk) 07:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The newest political party is The Minimal Government Party. ( http://theminimalgovernmentparty.blogspot.com/) They aim to use technology to create true democracy in the UK, the people will decide policy according to the countries needs. MPs will be obselete saving the tax payer billions and removing personal self interest from the political proccess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.221.182 ( talk) 15:36, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it should be Parliamentary Parties? As of the 8th May 2015, it could be argued that there are only two major political parties, as between them, Labour and Conservatives have 563 of the 650 seats. The SNP could well be considered a 'major' party, given they have virtually complete control of Scotland with 56/59 seats; I believe the real problem is the term 'major'. It is subjective, rather than factual. If we apply the percentage of votes cast, then the largest three parties are Conservative, Labour and UKIP; however the SNP, have a larger party membership than UKIP, so in that respect - party membership numbers - they would be the more 'major' party.
I believe a re-write of the headings is in order. It's ludicrous to continue suggesting the Liberal Democrats are a major party, if they are so are the DUP (same number of MPs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragebe ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Would it be useful to include share of the vote for recent general elections within the main table? This seems to be an increasingly prominent [1] [2] [3] [4] issue in the UK. Possibly the last three elections to show changes in share? Tiny beets ( talk) 18:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
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Yorkshire First (4 councillors) and Putting Hartlepool First (3 councillors) need to be moved into this table from the "Political parties with no elected representation" section. There may be a few others like this. -- LukeSurl t c 17:14, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
There appears to be a Federalist Party of the United Kingdom although there is currently no article for it. I never heard of it until one of its candidates ran for Ruyton and Baschurch in the recent Shropshire Council election. Tk420 ( talk) 08:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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The "" "" "" symbols on before the membership figures prevent that column from being sortable. I would suggest removing the symbols and just having the figures. Also perhaps because it's not clear when the increase/decrease/no change is from. Thoughts? -- CarlDurose ( talk) 14:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
As I'm not that great at Wiki editing, I was wondering if someone could add the new 'Brexit Party' to the parliamentary parties list, as it now has 5 MEPS, including Nigel Farage. References can be found on the EU Parliament site, Nigel Farage and Westmonster Twitter, and the westmonster site Freddied056 ( talk) 18:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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I recently put that the Brexit Party had 60,000 members. Someone else removed it, stating that registered supporters and members were different things.
They are not. A registered supporter is a supporter who is registered, who gets benifits that casual supporters don't. A party membership is the same. If anyone wishes to challenge this view, please reply to this. I will happily listen and if it is a good, valid point which warrants the edit, then I will change my mind. Freddied056 ( talk) 14:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
The official party endorses the figures. As far as I know the other membership figures all come from the official political party. Therefore, as the number is endorsed by the party, it is the same as any other membership figure Freddied056 ( talk) 15:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
On their Twitter:
Check out @brexitparty_uk’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/status/1119875301343997954?s=09 Freddied056 ( talk) 18:22, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Look - I say again. REGISTERED SUPPORTERS ARE THE SAME AS MEMBERS! They have the same benifits and exclusives under a different name. How hard is that to understand? Freddied056 ( talk) 06:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
Right, if the group of you dont wanna face facts, then so be it. I'm not gonna battle any longer Freddied056 ( talk) 06:02, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
I've noticed a few times that Our Nation has been removed from the list of minor parties with no representation. I have citations to prove it a party, and I will re-add it. If anyone has an issue with this please discuss it here.
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Wikieditor 123000 :) Wikieditor123000 ( talk) 17:36, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
The brexit party have 2 people in local government as of july the 13th 2019, source https://twitter.com/BBCRadioManc/status/1146446174783778816 http://democracy.rochdale.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=150 https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/liberal-democrat-councillor-stuns-colleagues-16563821 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keshoii ( talk • contribs) 17:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Advance is in the list of defunct parties, but in the December 2019 General Election it is putting up a candidate in the Wokingham constituency. KeithC ( talk) 15:45, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
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Would it be more beneficial if we wiped the seat data for the House of Commons from now until the General election on Dec 12th? Seeing as Parliament has been dissolved for a long time, maybe it's a bit late. At the very least I propose that on the day of polling day, we blank all the House of Commons seat data and then update it at the end of the election coverage + when all the seats have come through.
In order to avoid confusion, it would probably be best that on polling day we blank the seat data for the House of Commons and then leave the article until the morning. Any objections or does this sound good? -- EdwNL ( talk) 22:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
What's the difference between the "Defunct parties" and the "Historical parties", other than the former have a little more detail in a colourful table? 194.28.127.54 ( talk) 03:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
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@ TrentBrownlee: this edit has an edit summary that talks about moving the Scottish Libertarians to the right place, but it cut the file size by more than 14K bytes, which doesn't usually happen from a "move". It looks like a wide swath of text got left out. Was this a mistake? -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC) Definitely, please fix sorry I didn't do that on purpose. My computer is on the fritz I'll lay of editing til I get it fixed — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrentBrownlee ( talk • contribs) 23:45, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Given that Britain First was deregistered by the Electoral Commission, shouldn't it be under defunct parties? Alextheconservative ( talk) 17:34, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
The Social Democratic Party needs to be removed from this section and moved across to the appropriate local governance. As of writing they have now a single councillor. 2A02:C7E:2A49:CE00:4D6A:ED0C:3D17:8511 ( talk) 15:54, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
This article has been re-organised more times than I've had hot dinners, and it is currently a complete mess. Cant we find some standardised way of arranging the parties G-Man 13:17, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC) This hasn't been updated for the 2022 local elections — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natean ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
There is no consistency in the reporting of parish and town councillors, who have little practical powers. Citing https://news.sky.com/story/local-elections-2023-voter-id-how-you-can-register-contested-seats-and-everything-else-you-need-to-know-about-the-may-vote-12845083 - "Parish, community and town councils operate at a level below district and borough councils, and in some cases under unitary authorities. They provide help on issues such as allotments, bus shelters, play areas, local grants, littering, graffiti, fly posting and dog faeces." In many/most cases, political affiliations (if any) don't even appear on their ballot papers, and this is an article about political parties. At least 10% of positions are filled without the need for elections, as the number of parish/town candidates does not exceed the number of vacancies. I propose columns for "Parish councillors" are removed. The data is all but unverifiable, no one has the time to keep track of the comings and goings here. Respected objective sources like http://opencouncildata.co.uk ignore them entirely, and so should we. The alternative, the status quo, has another glaring defect. Only those with an axe to grind, contrary to NPOV, will bother to update the parish/town councillors in their patch. Albin-Counter ( talk) 20:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed that the short names for the parties aren't the plurals that are used by the media, people and in the Conservatives case, their logo. I think that the plural should be used due to this. ValenciaThunderbolt ( talk) 14:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)