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If anyone is here, how should the pics system go? Does Gloria make sense as the opening pic? What about Floyd? Which pic would be better, Floyd near NC or Floyd over New England? Hurricanehink 02:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
If we are going to make an article for each region/state, they need to have consistent formatting. Currently the Florida and Texas lists follow a very different format than this article... — jdorje ( talk) 03:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
This article is obviously higher than Stub class. What is it? Hurricanehink 02:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
The whole thing is in present tense. Is that fine, or should past tense be used? Hurricanehink 00:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Here goes nothing. I put it up for FLC. Hurricanehink ( talk) 11:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I have added some meta:EasyTimelines to the article - not sure if they belong where they are at the moment or should be under their own section heading at the end, since they go through more than one decade? Please feel free to take your pick :) TheGrappler 01:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that there was an unpleasant contradiction between the main text and the "deadliest storms" table. Hurricane Doria killed three people in 1967 (this is mentioned in the table) but Tropical Storm Doria apparently also killed three in 1971 - and isn't mentioned in the table. Is this due to a mix-up between names? Was Tropical Storm Doria non-lethal? Or was it simply missed out of the table? If both should be in the table, can they be disambiguated in some way? Hurricane Edouard is missing from the table but is listed as causing two deaths. It ought to be noted (for Isabel and Donna, each having one indirect death) that only directly caused deaths are counted. The 1933 storm is listed as causing "many casualties" so ought to be one of the higher ones in the list (presumably), but the exact number isn't given and it isn't placed in the table. It's clearly not explained by the table excluding deaths offshore, since many of the casualties given for other storms were drownings. This all needs getting sorted out, preferably by someone with access to Buchholz and Savadore. This is probably my last remaining quibble but I can't see that this should be FL'd until it gets sorted... after that this will be an absolutely brilliant list! TheGrappler 03:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The decision to bold hurricane names may be a little controversial so I thought I should justify my choice to do so here. Firstly, it is in line with the Manual of Style: the current advice on bolding text is to "make judicious use of [such] devices" in order to increase legibility. In particular, this is a list of hurricanes, and simply having a Wikilink wasn't making them stand out from the text enough for the hurricanes themselves to be easily identified. Secondly, one of the hurricane names was already bolded, so I thought rather than revert that for consistency it made more sense for the others to follow suit. Thirdly, while most featured lists do not bold the items they are listing, this is generally because their information is in a table and the appropriate names could simply be read from the appropriate column, or because the ordering was alphabetical and therefore the list looked something like:
...and so on, with the listed items standing out easiy from their wikilinking and their position in the bullet point. This list is very textual, with the hurricane names occupying various positions in the sentence or paragraph, so they do not stand out so well. There are other featured lists which currently bold the listed items, so it does not appear to be generally considered as bad practice. TheGrappler 11:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
List of South America tropical cyclones is currently on FLC with a cumulative track map. Would it be worthwhile to create a similar map for this article?-- Nilfanion ( talk) 16:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I recall Hurricanes Bonnie and Charley hitting Florida within a day of each other, and both of them passing off the Jersey Shore a few days later. It was the remnants of Charley, not Bonnie, which brought the heaviest rain to the Jersey Shore on August 15th, 2004. Bonnie might have spread some light rain a day or two earlier, I don't specifically remember, but Charley passed off our coast as a 40 mile per hour tropical storm. I remember this clearly because the most intense wind and rain were far ahead of Charley's center, and when the center was closest, there was no rain or wind to speak of onshore, mostly offshore. Earlier that day, Charley had been a Category One hurricane off of South Carolina, and a day or two before that, a monster Category 4, hitting Punta Gorda, Florida. Later that season, New Jersey got rains from the remnants of Frances, Gaston, Ivan & Jeanne. Jeanne was the strongest, and brought the most intense winds of that season, although Charley was far wetter. I will try to find sources to back this up, but I have followed every New Jersey tropical storm & hurricane since 1976, and work in the Office of Emergency Management. Some of the worst conditions I've ever experienced were during the passage of Tropical Storm Ernesto in 2006, because the wind and rain lasted a long, long time: about two days, with frequent gusts near hurricane force, even over that threshold just south of here. Floyd, Bertha, Gloria and Belle were stronger, but they moved faster. My community, Seaside Heights, was in the direct center of 70 mph Tropical Storm Floyd in 1999, with a dead calm lasting about an hour, sandwiched between periods very, very windy conditions. Of all the listed storms I've experienced, Hanna in '08 was the biggest wimp of all: a bit of rain and wind, but mostly hype.
I looked up the history of Bonnie and Charley from the National Hurricane Center.
Bonnie, http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004bonnie.shtml? passed east of the Jersey Shore, and probably did bring light rain, but it was not memorable
Two days later, on the 15th, Charley, http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004charley.shtml? did the same, but in a much more dramatic way.
I want to add this to the page, but I'm not certain how it is done, especially adding the reference. Can a more experienced editor take on this task? I prefer to stick to the discussion pages. Thanks.
I agree with George Profulis, a respected local meterologist. New Jersey is hit by a Category 1 or 2 storm directly (landfall) about once every 100 years (last in 1903, putting us 6 years overdue), and by a Category 3 or 4 landfalling storm every 200 years (last 1821, 188 years ago, coming due soon). Major storms passing within 50 miles off our coast ('38, '44, Donna, Belle, Gloria) causing a "direct hit" are far more common, and can be just as damaging and deadly. I would say that a repeat of '44 today, would cause Katrina-like damage in the Northeast. New Jersey might be small, but it is also the most densely populated state in the nation. Many of the homes, especially those along the shore, are only a few feet apart. A good storm surge like seen in '44 would devastate 100 miles of prime real estate that is far more valuable per square mile then that along the Gulf Coast. Also, strong storms passing to our west (Gale of 1878, Tropical Storm David in 1979) can put N.J. in a storm's right front quadrant, the most vicious part of the cyclone.
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Charley didn't do too much, which is why it was missed at first, but I added its impact. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk) 22:54, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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They both killed one person due to rip currents off the shore. Since they count for Fay, we should add Paulette and Teddy. WesternAtlanticCentral ( talk) 17:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)