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So, a 1966 telescript character nickname came from a 2009 movie script?
Kid, I hope you dropped acid; otherwise you is dumb as dogsh*t. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.152.105.41 ( talk) 14:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
While the language of this comment leaves something to be desired, the point is valid. It's highly unlikely that the origin of the "Bones' nickname is only revealed after 40+ years. Text has been marked for a citation needed. Billsmith60 ( talk) 20:20, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
"He was born in 2227 and in 2366 he was named Chief medical officer..." That would make him 139 years old when he joined the Enterprise!
This article needs a little work as it's full of non-canon conjecture and speculation. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek. 23skidoo 20:13, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
its not impossible to live to 137 just improbable. though to be fair in ep 1 of TNG they did have a old Leonard McCoy see the enterprise-D and shortly after pass away over age 100. if memory serves though i think he was around 110ish. as for living over 137 if we take relics as a example certain humans like scotty are technically over 150 but time spent trapped as pure energy in a transport buffer probally do not count. 152.91.9.153 ( talk) 17:31, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The article currently states (near top, in Depiction section) that he was born in 1920. That doesn’t sound right... 12.185.238.163 ( talk) 06:33, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
"In the time since its last publication, the Encyclopedia has become extremely out of date, with much of the conjectural, non-canonical information contained within it having been contradicted by the last two Star Trek films (Star Trek Nemesis and Star Trek) as well as the last two seasons of Star Trek: Voyager and the most recent series, Star Trek: Enterprise. There are currently no plans to release an updated version of the Encyclopedia, as its usefulness has been greatly superseded in recent years by online, digital resources such as Memory Alpha." so I would suggest going with the one that has the complete date of birth. 24.79.38.15 ( talk) 21:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Why was (Arguably one of the best lines was one never actually spoken in any episode: "I'm a doctor, not an actor!") appended to end of the list of "Im a doctor not a(n)"? If this the work of a jokester then it should be removed. 131.107.0.73 20:59, 28 February 2007 (UTC) Nate No, it wasn't a joke. And the statement as posted is accurate and non-offensive. So kindly let it alone. Once again, PLEASE LET THIS ALONE!!! There's not a reason in the world for you to keep deleting it: nobody appointed you censor, so a little courtesy and consideration would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.216.11.5 ( talk • contribs)
I brought back mentioning of Dr. McCoy's "I'm a doctor" catchphrase that was spoofed on Nickelodeon's Unfabulous and the "Guide to Fundraising" episode of Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide. I have proof.
I don't claim encyclopedic knowledge of Doctor Who, but is there any other source for this other than the book quoted? David ( talk) 20:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Any idea where the nickname "Bones" comes from? What episode is it first used in?
It's an old term for doctor, probably started in the civil war
Just to add my two cents, I believe (in the 2009 Star Trek) that McCoy says to Kirk "...the ex-wife took the whole damn planet in the divorce. All I got left is my bones." and Kirk started calling him Bones from that point in the movie on. I think it should be noted somewhere are page. -- Oxico ( talk) 00:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
"Sawbones" relates to surgeons in general, and ship's surgeons in particular, dating back to the 1700s at least, and is a reference to the ability to perform an amputation by 'sawing the bone' rapidly to try to save a life under conditions little short of horrific: no anesthetic, little idea of sanitation, much less sterile technique, and often under combat conditions. DocKrin ( talk) 04:23, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone provide a canonical source for McCoy's middle name? I don't recall it being said anywhere but I might have missed an episode. 23skidoo 02:51, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
He gives his middle initial as H. in ST III. David ( talk) 16:00, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I am pretty unversed in star trek and Battlestar, but that last quote "I'm not a psychic.."etc doesn't seem to be related to my eyes. is there something that makes it more related than it seems? If they're not, then someone should remove it. if not, then someone should add more info! omglol. TastemyHouse 07:06, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Re Dr. Bashir, it depends on how he pronounced as to whether he said "a historian" or "an historian" - did he say "Hiss-torian" or "Iss-torian" - did Alex Siddig pronounce the H or was it silent? When the leading consonant(s) are all silent, the natural pronounciation is to say "an" and therefore to spell it that way. GBC 21:23, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
The start of Enterprise's original 5 year mission is listed as 2266, and then notes that "McCoy served until 2269, when the ship's five year mission ended." If the 2266 date is correct (source?) then obviously the 5 year mission ended in 2270. The Timeline of Star Trek indicates that the original 5 year mission was actually shortened to 3 years, again without citing a specific source.
I also have serious doubts that the events in Star Trek The Motion Picture happened so soon after the original 5 year mission ended (and certainly later than "Circa 2271"). One site -- http://scifi.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://members.cox.net/stenterprise/enttmln.htm -- says 2273, another -- http://scifi.about.com/library/weekly/aa101899.htm -- lists the year as 2274, and yet another (which differs more significantly from the 5 year mission dates as well; 2270-2274/5) -- http://scifi.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://rec.horus.com/trek/lists/timeline.txt -- says 2277. ASpafford 02:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
Some of the bio seems to be sort of awkwardly worded; for example, in some places it switches back and forth from past to present tense. Does this warrant marking it for clean up?
Crushedmidnight 19:37, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Was he third officer? Therequiembellishere 01:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I believe that was Scotty, but I could not supply a source for that. Crushedmidnight 21:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
typically, specialty officers such as physicians are not considered to be in the combat chain of command. DocKrin ( talk) 04:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
by current naval combat laws and implied startrek regulations a doctor outranks the captian of a starship and if deems the situation necessary can a) relieve a captain of command or b) take direct control of the vessel. such situations are very rare and have lasting implications for the doctor, crew, vessel and even general moral that if situation a is ever done it is normally done so with the captain in private to save face. saying that though no bones was not 3rd officer. chain of command as per old episodes went kirk, spock, scotty, sulu, (checkhov after season 2), uhura (limited examples of command) 152.91.9.153 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:28, 23 July 2011 (UTC).
I removed this section. "Memorable" is subjective/non-NPOV -- strictly speaking, everything he says is to some degree memorable, and we're not going to put all his dialog there. "Notable" quotes would be more significant, but lacking a citation about what makes them memorable, that doesn't work either -- and WP:ILIKEIT isn't a reason to keep this, either. Lastly, straight-up quotes should be over in Wikiquote. If someone wants to move them over there, by all means... -- EEMeltonIV 11:43, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Why no reference to the Futurama episode where they show all the trekkies being killed and after each one is killed they say "he's dead jim"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.22.53.86 ( talk) 16:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC).
Just to let you know, I have tossed in a few links to "I'm a doctor, not a(n)..." within wikipedia ( Trials and Tribble-ations and Doctor (Star Trek), so far), and would just like to put up a general request not to remove the quotation marks or (n) from the section header, so that the links stay valid. Obviously, feel free to toss the tag into any article you see fit. Cheers, samwaltz 01:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
==Quote: I'm a doctor...== I'm not writing this to make changes to the article, per se. But perhaps someone will want to research this further and then possibly add something to "Quote: I'm a doctor...". Anyway, in the 1933 film, "The Kennel Murder Case", starring William Powell, the coroner, Dr. Doremus played by Etienne Girardot, has the "I'm a doctor..." schtick in his dialogue. According to imdb the quotes are: " I'm a doctor, not a magician.", "I'm a doctor, not a detective.", and, after becoming frustrated at being bothered around the clock to examine new dead bodies, usually involving interrupting his meal, he says, "I'm the city butcher, not a detective." I'm personally interested in the origins of motifs like movie quotes or musical lines, and I think that it helps to understand a particular work of art to know where things come from. Does "I'm a doctor, not a..." go back further than "The Kennel Murder Case"? Was it in the book? Anyway, I'm just throwing it out there to see if anyone wants to act on it. Dli04b ( talk) 18:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I see in "I'm a doctor redux" that imdb is being diminished as a reliable source, which is fine, but to add credibility to my previous comment, I've seen and taped "The Kennel Murder Case" and I've heard the "I'm a doctor..." quotes in the movie. If there is a section here on McCoy's "I'm a doctor..." quotes, then it seems reasonable to add an etymology. Only, I don't want to do it. Someone more scholarly, and more versed than I am in wikipedia style and procedure should. Dli04b ( talk) 17:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Leonard McCoy page history extract:
•23:48, 9 November 2007 Ejfetters (list is trivia-like, and we don't really need a detailed list of each episode where this is said, not even its own section is needed)
•21:37, 22 November 2007 Milomedes (_Catch phrases - rm trivia tag - these notable phrases are embedded in the English language - I came here directly in linked discussion using one of them)
•16:02, 25 November 2007 Ejfetters (Undid revision 173168724 by Milomedes (there is no encyclopedic reason to list every instance he said it)
This is a list of 14 characters and 16 episodes where "McCoy frequently declares someone or something deceased with the line, "He's dead", "He's dead, Jim", or something similar."
Only 13 days after Ejfetters tagged it as trivia, I needed the list of characters, the list of episodes, and a section to link to show to others. (I needed to identify the instances when the character wasn't actually dead.) Since this catch phrase is embedded in the English language (my discussion was transatlantic), it's likely that the page is visited twice a month to examine this section.
An encyclopedia exists to tell us what we don't know. Since most of us already know that McCoy said this frequently, we visit the page to find out how frequently, about whom, and in which episodes.
I request consensus to detag the #Catch phrases section.
Milo 01:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone should add that Google Chrome is starting to use and adopt that catchphrase on killed webpages (Read here). LGFN ( talk) 17:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Can someone check this, please -- right now it reads that Roddenberry wanted Kelley for The Cage in part b/c he knew him from two other pilots. However, everything I've seen says Police Story came after The Cage. Does this need to be reworded? -- EEMIV ( talk) 14:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Kelley's bio is available in parts at Google Books.
I've exceeded my page-views; if anyone wants to jump beyond page 156 (and before ~140ish), go for it! -- EEMIV ( talk) 16:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
I've restored the deleted section about McCoy's infamous "I'm a doctor, not a…" phrase because it's just as culturally significant and well-known as "He's dead, Jim". (The heading is also currently linked to from at least one other Star Trek article, " Far Beyond the Stars".) However, I agree with deleter EEMIV that it is quite a bit of unsourced trivia, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia with published sources for its factual information, even (and perhaps especially) when discussing subjects within fictional works.
To try to encourage editors more involved with this domain (I'm not too into ST anymore myself), I have added 1 such source to the assertion that this line is well-known, as well as a {{ refimprove}} tag to encourage more sourcing efforts. I also strongly advise editors to trim it down significantly to avoid overwhelming the article with a huge list of examples. (We're trying to illustrate factual assertions, not be the Web's most complete source for Star Trek lists.) Bear in mind that EEMIV and other editors are well within their rights to delete large tracts of unsourced or trivial material if it's not properly edited into something worth of a general (as opposed to ST-specific) encyclopedia. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Wondering why my addition was reverted. Karl Urban as Doctor McCoy also used the line in the latest Star Trek reboot movie. See edit at 07:31, 25 May 2009 -- Jonnybgoode44 ( talk) 11:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that, with the restart of the franchise, we need to create a side-by-side image of Kelley/Urban for the infobox. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is there no listing of all the insults? "Pointy-eared hobgoblin, Green Blooded Son-of-a-bitch" and the like. It's integral to the character. All the ribbing was designed to provoke a response from Spock, usually appended with "Spock, you're becoming more human every day."
In the book "Star Trek: The Lost Years, it mentions his first wife's name is "Jocelyn", and in the new 2009 film he is leaving Earth after a divorce, perhaps that would be some character biographical information that would be of interest here, but I'm not sure where it'd be placed or how to source it besides the book, it's probably mentioned in other media also. ( Floppydog66 ( talk) 08:12, 6 May 2010 (UTC))
I removed the phrase " "sawbones" is no longer current slang for a medical doctor" from the article because there is no cited source for this etymological claim. Although perhaps relevant to the on- and behind-the-screens development of the character's nickname, such a generalization requires a cited source (probably to a producer or actor who carried the belief, accurate or not). -- EEMIV ( talk) 23:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
as I noted in the previous section, "Sawbones" was specific to surgeons starting at least as early as the 1700s. From a military standpoint, it was more a Naval term than an Army one, probably related to the detail that ship's surgeons were more closely integrated into the company because of the relative isolation compared to land base companies. From my experience in the medical field (35 years) with 12 of that being in military medicine, it's not the sort of epithet that would be bandied about unless there was a very, very close relationship. DocKrin ( talk) 04:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sawbones
http://www.answers.com/topic/sawbones
http://www.sawbones.com/ (an anatomy and orthopedic modeling firm)
http://www.word-detective.com/2009/10/21/bones-sawbones/
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=9943
note that the last two include a reference to Dickens' Pickwick Papers. I believe that a notation in a popular book published in 1837 would speak to the age of the term. DocKrin ( talk) 13:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Nyota Uhura which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 14:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
In general: Gene Roddenberry is the official creator of any of the principle ST:TOS cast, as creator of the series itself. Anyone writing scripts for the series using these characters would have worked from his "bible".
In specific: "The Man Trap" was not the first episode produced which included the character of McCoy. It was the first one broadcast (the network execs wanted to lead with a "monster" episode) but "The Corbomite Maneuver" was the first time Kelley performed the character. (But see above: that doesn't make "Corbomite" screenwriter Jerry Sohl the co-creator either.) - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 23:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)