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Joe Biden Hunter Biden — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.58.152.35 ( talk) 01:16, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Given that there is significant controversy about who is and isn't a kleptocrat, we shouldn't be in the business of trying to list those that definitely are. I like the change to cite the list from Transparancy International, but I have an alternative suggestion. How about we list those people or systems that have at least N (say 3) moderately-independent creditable citations for being a kleptocracy? We can also cite counter-arguments, if any. This way, we're not trying to define objective truth, and not doing original research, but are instead representing all sides of a controversy. Bovlb 23:20, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)
I have qualms about this section, and feel that it places undue emphasis on Russia and China as specifically prone to kleptocracy. I am also unsure about the use of the phrase "kleptocratic Russians and Chinese" (since it seems [and i may be reading too much into this] to be implying things about the populations of those countries, rather than the failings of their governments and/or ruling classes), and these concerns are compounded by the use of several american newspapers as sources in this section. While I have no doubt that the russian and chinese governments exhibit a high level of corruption, money laundering, and the like, I feel that we should endeavour to find better sources that the newspapers of those countries' main rival.
It also might be worth noting that money laundering and embezzlement do happen in democracies such as the united states on occasion. Margatroidwitch ( talk) 02:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)