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I'll try to save some of the edits by 133.11.222.202 -- Ankur 06:46, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Wasn't 1971 - Bangladesh Liberation War a "Decisive Indian Victory" in-contrast to terming it as an "Indian Victory". Since how many times we have seen modern armed forces Surrendering with full military honors to their rivals, about whom they teach their citizens of being "Hindus" and not Humans? This 1971 Surrender by Pakistan army was one historic event, where even delusional Pakistani citizenry brainwashed to the core by their army and security agencies through means such as Army-sponsored-media and school books, in regards to their false victories can hardly put forward a case for victory or cite any valid sources nor can fathom a defeat for 1971 debacle. Neutrality of the article gets into question when editors start agreeing to the baseless rants and conspiracy theories put forward by madrasa educated pakistani kids who are taught stories of fake grandeur in their schools especially in compulsory subjects such as "Pakistan Studies" and "Islamiyat". Kindly, change the result of the war to Decisive Indian Victor and lets maintain neutrality of the article. Tutu1234 ( talk) 14:04, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I haven't edited the article because I lack the proper sources to reference, but I find this article is extremely biased in favor of the Indian side in this conflict. The references to genocide and Pakistani brutality, as well as the protrayal of America as the nefarious abettor to the scoundrels in Islamabad while the USSR supported the side of truth and justice seems shaky to me, especially without any references to any sources. I have heard that the Indian Air Force bombed a Pakistani orphanage during this conflict, killing nearly 300 children. Considering this, is it very possible that other Indian atrocities occured against Pakistanis, and I believe this helps support the claim that the tone taken in this article is Indian biased, perhaps very much so. I think this reflects a biased tone taken in the discussion page of the Sino-Indian War article which I think should be combatted. Oldkinderhook 03:36, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The bombing of the Pakistani orphanage was performed by the Pakistani Army, using a four-engined seaplane. I observed the aircraft take off from the Dacca International airport at dusk and it circled over the city for about 30 minutes. I heard several bombs fall and felt the explosions as I was living about 1000 meters from the orphanage. The aircraft landed shortly thereafter. The following morning, I visited the bombed-out orphanage and observed an unexploded bomb with Chinese markings. The number of deaths were about 50 people including the orphanage children. An improvised bomb carrier, made of plywood, was found at the CARE office in Dacca. The device was apparently affixed between the fuselage and the wing float. There were no aerial attacks on the Pakistani Military Cantonment in Dacca that evening by the Indian Air Force. [Bourquein 03 July 2006] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.189.224 ( talk • contribs)
Correct. Such irrelevant information is propaganda. Oldkinderhook is a victim of all this nonsense, which has been circulated by CENTO(or SEATO) biased individuals after the war. He only looks at one side of the coin rather than the other side.The US move of sending an aircraft carrier into the Bay of Bengal is indeed an open sign of collaboration. The reason for such a maneuver was done to fight the 'puppet'( which I beleive, they wrongly thought about of India) of the USSR to protect their own puppet(Pakistan). It must be remembered that the US pampered Pakistan after is independance because of its strategic closeness to the Central Asian republics Of the USSR. This maneuver led India to tilt towards the REDS because Pakistanis were more interested in getting Kashmir, rather than serving their paymasters ( the people of Pakistan never knew who actually helped them), due to which it launched (with great confidence) the 1965 war.Its defeat was misintepreted by the Great CIA(and other parts of the that India was not non alligned, but a secondary partner of the Soviet Union ( thus making us a secondary threat to the US led anti communist bloc).So they always eyed India with supicion until they finally knew about the Pandora's box they had made out of capitalising on Islamic Pakistan's fanatism against the Soviets. I am not telling that the US should not be forgiven for its mistakes nor am I intending to hamper Indo-Pakistani-American relations ( which are healthily improving curteousy Mr Musharaff and the Prime Ministers of India). I am only trying to say that he should not always read about any yarn spun from one side.
First thanks to whoever started and contributed to this article for his/her work! The article seems to have one crucial flaw. It confuses Bangladesh Liberation War with Indo-Pak War of 1971. To check this suspicion I have checked several sites, including official websites of army of all three countries involved.
Any ideas on this?
-- Ragib 06:40, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Hiye,
I need independant sources to verify:
1: The truth of the stamp, it could simply be a photoshop effect. The Stamp should be deleted if it cannot be proven wether it is official or not.
Also You are editing things according to "Indian" prospective, this is unacceptable. Pakistani prospective will be added and fought for with edit wars if needs arise. This is not your one-sided BR forums.
Can you prove it that the stamp was published by Pakistani Government? Perhaps your source of the stamp that could indicate that?
That does not prove if it was published by Pakistani Government...
So I take it as you have no verification whatesoever about the stamp. It will be deleted, until you can verify.
I Will make necessary adjustments taking this article into mind.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-6-2005_pg1_2
It must be remembered that overall, this conflict should still be called the Indo-Pakistan war as this conflict also took place along the western border of India. The Bangladeshi war of liberation is like that of the Peninsular war of the Napoleonic wars.It should be only be given importance when someone wants to see a detailed analysis of the struggle before 1971 till the independance of Bangladesh.
I would like to add that the sinking of the Kukri which I have added several times has been removed by certain individuals, I find this totally unacceptable as it was a verified kill of an Indian naval frigate by Pakistan submarine, It seems that certain individuals are not wanting others to know of the sinking of the Indian vessel which resulted in the death of 211 Indian sailors. This is significant not only in the 1971 war but also in naval history as the sinking of the Kukri Indian frigate by Pakistani submarine Hangor was the first sinking of a ship by submarine since WWII.
To be a fair and partial it is absolutely necessary to have a section on the sinking of the Kukri. December 9 1971 Pakistani submarine Hangor sinks Indian frigate Kukri(first submarine sinking since World War II)
For more information on the sinking of the Kukri by Pakistani submarine hangor: please visit the following links
http://anoca.org/fleet/british/list_of_naval_battles.html http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/vif2_project/indo_pak_war_1971.htm
Each time I add information politcally motivated people desperate to hide the sinking of Indian frigate immediately delete it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.131.118.150 ( talk • contribs) .
You just gotta love these wonderful India-biased articles on Wikipedia. But i guess it's not really their fault. They get fed this information in school and from Bollywood constantly ;) It's quite sad though.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.238.16.90 ( talk • contribs)
In my opinion, your thought that this stuff is from Bollywood is from your own fantasy machine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chad786 ( talk • contribs)
for all the admins. i think the above statement (in capital letters), is religious and malicious and should be deleted from the talk page. what are your views on it. nids 05:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
And it is spam too. This person has posted it in all the India-Pakistan war talk pages. ( Saraths 14:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC))
I agree it should be deleted as it is not the debate about religious superiority or aims. This is a simple collection about the facts. I request Wikipedia team to avoid such posts in talk page and let people to discuss things in peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.161.11 ( talk) 22:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the spam in capital letters. No trash needed on Wikipedia. ~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.22.43.2 ( talk) 14:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Whats with pakistani kids and calling facts-Propaganda. I very well know to cover their fallacies, wrong-doings and losses pakistanis very conveniently blame others for their own mistakes and failures, never realizing its them who have failed themselves not anyone else! Hitman009 ( talk) 07:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
The stamp that is shown in this article(issued by the Paksitanis)depicts Pakistani POWs in a type of prison camp which looks more like a concentration camp than a POW camp. This sort of stamp is pure propaganda, issued by the Islamic dictatorships to extract sympathy.In my opinion , this stamp should be fully deleted. It gives a bad impression on the Indian armed forces.(P.G.K)
The releasing of the Stamp by Pakistani Govt. was an Historical event, therefore pleading the world community for release of its POW, a great Strategy adopted by Z.A Bhutto! I think it was an ingenious strategy on part of pakistanis and should stay in the article. Tutu1234 ( talk) 21:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi, there is a merge template in the beginning of the article... From the discussion page, it seems the discussion on this last till around Jan 2006. Can this template be removed now? Lost 13:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The entire page seems heavily biased towards India. I am not familiar with the subject matter, but I've tried to tone down the hyperbole. Isopropyl 05:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Useless, unsigned and exaggerated howl removed! Tutu1234 ( talk) 13:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm not good at writing this sort of articles. Somebody please if you can read these pages about the 1971 war. on this link
Foreign Relations, 1969-1976, Volume E-7, Documents on South Asia, 1969-1972
Telegram 959 From the Consulate General in Dacca to the Department of State, March 28, 1971
Telegram 986 From the Consulate General in Dacca to the Department of State, March 30, 1971
Hope this helps in knowing as to what really happened in Bangladesh.
Has any Pakistani been charged for genocide? What about the current relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh? The relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh are very friendly. If someone accuses Pakistan for genocide then why Bangladesh is so friendly with Pakistan, while no one has charged any Pakistani for genocide.
Has Bangladesh given up its allegation of genocide against Pakistan? If not then, why they are so friendly with Pakistan? Why Bangladesh does not want to chase its allegations of genocide against Pakistan?
The reason is that there was no genocide. It is Indian propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by maakhter ( talk • contribs)
Hello frnds to both parties...i m fresher but quite interested in dis topic....as u rightly said it is always hard to judge who won or loose, esspecially whn we belong frm sam countrie, but i was just referring to a link uploaded uphere of United states...n wht i found was a DECISIVE INDIAN VICTORY(1971).....4 ur reference to make ur search easy check in FOREIGN RELATIONS-Bilateral and Regional Relations http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3454.htm#people —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.245.120.51 ( talk) 09:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the source friend, there are n-number of valid sources emphasizing on India's emphatic Victory in this war. Tutu1234 ( talk) 13:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
This page should be merged with Indo-Pakistani Wars.
There are several reasons to merge this page:
1- Indo-Pakistani Wars and this page are supposed to be showing exactly the same subject.
2- These pages have a large overlap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by maakhter ( talk • contribs)
Neutral Point of View (NPOV) is a fundamental Wikipedia principle which states that all articles must be written from a neutral point of view, that is, they must represent views fairly and without bias. This includes maps, reader-facing templates, categories and portals. According to Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, NPOV is "absolute and non-negotiable."
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Maakhter ( talk • contribs) 23:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Has any Pakistani been charged for genocide? What about the current relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh? The relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh are very friendly. If someone accuses Pakistan for genocide then why Bangladesh is so friendly with Pakistan, while no one has charged any Pakistani for genocide.
Has Bangladesh given up its allegation of genocide against Pakistan? If not then, why they are so friendly with Pakistan? Why Bangladesh does not want to chase its allegations of genocide against Pakistan?
Do you mean that United Nations and everyone else in the world kept quite at this alleged genocide? Who gave you the figure of three million people dieing in the conflict?
Therefore, its not just Pakistani who are denying it, the rest of the world by not asking for investigations, actually supported the Pakistani point of view. The allegations were not worth a formal investigation.
The reason is that there was no genocide. It is Indian propaganda.
Maakhter 01:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Just few telegrams from US diplomat cannot prove that 3 million people were killed. In case of Japan and Germany, war crimes were properly investigated and people who were responsible were punished.
There was no such war crime tribunal in case of fake allegations of genocide in 1971.
Are you trying to say that India and Bangladesh ignored such genocide by not perusing the matter?
Maakhter 10:04, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
this page mentions about the movement of USS enterprise in bay of bengal around 1970-71. i have checked the link and the whole timeline of USS. it was stationed in North korea and vietnam only. it was never sent to bay of bengal. either site proper references or i shall be deleting it in a few days.
nids 00:50, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
actually i didnt meant that enterprise wasnt sent to bay of bengal. what i said that in the link linking to USS enterprise, it has its whole timeline listed there. and it nowhere mentions about its movement to and from Bay of bengal. may be it can be corrected. or u can provide these links(that u gave in the talk page) in the main article. thank u.
-- nids 10:36, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
There is a pakistani bloke posting crap like
People like him needs to look at India from an international perspective..our economy is growing faster than we could imagine and pakistan still is stuck with no democracy but with an American RagDoll who is the only reason why America still gives a Damn about Pakistan. The day Gen.mush leaves power There is going to be chaos....A nuke war is highly likely with religious extremists in pakistan seizing power and using the Pakistani military's awesome nuke weaponry against israel and mainly India...Something which will send Pakistan back to the stone age.I really hope with all my heart that pakistan prays to Allah sincerly for the sake of peace and its own existence.i really hope they pray that Gen.Mush stays in power. Remus
People who talk about looking at india from an international perspective should take care of their own biases first.They should know that this article is not about the present day politics of Pakistan or its chances of getting into a nuclear war.This is how anyone can come to know that how biased Indians are. They cannot keep their personal biases out of an Encyclopedia, which is meant to be a source of information for people that donot know about a certain issue.An encyclopedia is not to explain their perspective! Hammad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.197.246 ( talk) 01:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Please do not blank cited information. I don't see why information well referenced from various sources qualifies as Original research. If you feel something is wrong, please mention it here first. Thanks. -- Ragib 17:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
It is clear that Pakistan suffered a humiliating loss to India in 1971 war of Indian intervention in east Pakistan; India's brilliant pincer movements against the east Pakistan northern push into India, the Indian Air Force's successful counter-attack to the Pakistan Air Force's pre-emptive strike (from east Pakistan), the Indian army's successful blunting and counter-attacks into Pakistani territory on the western front, and the taking of Kargil in Kashmir.
However, the articles on Wikipedia talk of the Indian Air Force 'achieveing air superiority' during the war. In his book 'Every Man A Tiger' Chuck Yeager states that 'They whipped...their (Indian Air force's) asses in the sky but it was the other way round on the ground'. He has given the following independent statistics of all aircraft losses: PAF-34, IAF- 102 (or a ratio of 3:1 in fvaour of the PAF).
This is intriguing because 1. it comes from an independent source, 2. it suggests that acheieving air superiority is not always decisive and 3. given the PAF's successful counter-operations during the 1965 war, where even independent analysts have given a ration of at least 2:1 in PAF's favour, it would be inconceivable that the IAF managed to subdue the PAF (with ofcourse the exception of east Pakistan as the only air force base - Dhaka - was detroyed) and turned around their abysmal performance only 6 years earlier (even today IAF lacks an advanced jet-trainer and suffers high attrition rates).
I have read in a few sources that the # of POW was 91,000 and not 93,000. Which is the correct number? Also, some Pakistanis have told me during our - ahem - discussions, that most POW were non-combatants - is there any truth to this? ( Jvalant 00:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
I had read in a book in my univ that during the war, the Chinese moved quite a few of their troops along the Indian border to make India spread her resources thin by bulking up the Indo-China border. This was done at Pakistan's request. India responded by requesting the Soviets to move troops along their border with China which China did. I no longer have the source at my disposal. Does anyone else? ( Jvalant 18:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
This article is clearly written by Indian propangandists trying to underscore Pakistan’s military successes. NOT A SINGLE PAKISTANI WAR PICTURE.
YES, VERY NEUTRAL. LOL. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.117.92.54 ( talk • contribs)
it's totally neutral.-- D-Boy 07:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I do see a Pakistani war picture - the stamp was released by the Govt. of Pakiland. ( Jvalant 11:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
Why are Pakistani enthusiastic kids not giving valid neutral sources to prove their claims? As we can see usual rants ABOUT Propaganda and conspiracy theories being spewed from Pakistani sides, denying all miss-deeds and defeats, without realizing the facts and odds against such delusional conspiracy theories!! Tutu1234 ( talk) 13:31, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
This article is incredibly biased in Indian POV. Why is wikipedia going to hell? I appologize that I can not contribute by cleaning it up myslf as I do not have enough knowledge on the subject nor enough time to do all the research. But I am listing show some glaring bias/omissions/mistakes in hope that others will fix it. And if not that atleast classify the article as a a 'b-article'
1. Use of biased language such as: "At sea, the Indian Navy proved its superiority by the success of Operation Trident," "The Soviet Union had sympathized with the Bangladeshis" "The Simla Agreement created the following year, also saw most of Pakistani territory (more than 13,000 km²) being given back to Pakistan to create "lasting peace" between the two nations" Including that cartoon by an indian cartoonish in a wikipedia article!!
2. No mention of the fact that Mukti Bahini would today be categorized as a terrorist organization. And the fact that this organization was supported by India both politically and materially, which is strictly forbidden by the UN charter.
3. The death toll mentioned is never really backed up by any credible references. The articles quotes R.J. Rummel as estimating it b/w 1 & 3 million. This is again wrong as he estimates it as being between 300,000 & 3 million on his website(and here it should be kept in mind that even he has been accused of inflating his statistics to support his views prodemocracy views).
4. But most importantly, the article constantly and consistently presenting Indian & Bangladesh point of view. It portrays India as this peace loving nation that had to come and help the stricken Bangaldeshis, which is just not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.101.3.36 ( talk • contribs)
The first comment in this section is quite confusing. The person claims that the article is factually biased but also claims that he does not possess the facts to correct the article. If he does not have the knowledge then how did he figure out that it is factually incorrect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.122.156 ( talk) 06:37, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I have studied alot on this topic. As far as Indian involvment in the seperation of East Pakistan is concerned, I can say that one can refer the book "RAW AND INDIA" written by ZAIN UL ABIDIN who himself was a Mukti Bani gurella and in his book he told that they got ammunations from India and that the masterplan for the division of East Pakistan was designed by RAW. . . .—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanabil Mirza ( talk • contribs)
The families of 54 missing Indian defence personnel are still waiting to meet their loved ones, who for the past 33 years are believed to be in Pakistani jails as prisoner of war (POW) Daily Times learnt on Monday.
Seventy-year-old Nirmal Kore, the wife of Assa Singh, is still waiting for her husband to return from a war that took place 34 years back. Assa Singh, a Subedar in the 5-Sikh regiment, is believed to be in Pakistan as a POW since 1971.
Assa Singh’s son, Harcharan Singh, is convinced that his father is still alive. Harcharan Singh said that Bhogal Ram, another soldier, was released from Pakistan in 2000 and had seen Assa Singh alive at the Kot Lakhpat jail. Harcharan was five when his father left for war and the growing up was hard. He said, “My mother had to undergo a lot of suffering. The landlord snatched away our land and the government provided no financial aid, job or land.” He added, “My mother is suffering from health problems. The government has done nothing to ensure the release of my father. But what happened has happened I have lost my childhood, my family has undergone pain and agony; now my only wish is to meet my father and embrace him.”
Sixty-year-old Kanta Devi echoes such a story of waiting, longing and desperation. Her husband Subedar Kali Das has not been seen since the 1971 but, after the war, she heard on Pakistan Radio that he was caught alive. Kanta is confident that her husband will return one day. She said, “I will offer a heavy gold ring at the Kali temple, go to Vaishno Devi and take a dip in the river Ganges with my family upon his return”.
“Raising four sons and two daughters was not easy. I got my children educated and married from the Rs 300 pension that I received. There was no other support from the government,” said Kanti.
That Rs 300 has been increased to Rs 5,000 but that is little consolation to Kanti’s family of two widowed daughters and two unemployed sons. “It is ironical that the country for which my husband fought has no time to listen to us,” she said. Her son, Ramesh Kumar, 39, remembers the days without a father. “I used to work in shops overtime so that I could pay my school and college fees. The Kargil heroes were given millions in addition to other benefits like lands and jobs but what about the heroes of the 1971 war?” he asked.
Bansi Lal, the son-in-law of Jagdish Lal of the 2nd Mahar regiment, showed a letter from the Mahar regiment written in 1972 to prove how insensitive the government has been. The letter reads: “Application for grant from the disabled army personnel widows and orphan fund was placed before the welfare committee but regrettably because of lack of funds, your case has been rejected.”
An official of the Missing Defence Personnel Relatives Association (MDPRA) said, “After the war 2,238 Indian defence personnel were missing. After the Simla Agreement of 1972, India returned all the 93,000 Pakistani POWs. However, only 617 Indian POWs were returned by Pakistan.”
He said that the treatment of Indian POWs was the ‘biggest violation of international human rights by Pakistan’. MK Paul, the vice president of MDPRA, has filed a petition for their release with the International Red Cross in Geneva and with Human Rights Watch in New York.
Rajesh, a relative of an Indian POW, said that in September 1996, the then minister of External Affairs IK Gujral had said 54 missing Indian defence personnel are believed to be in Pakistan. He added that Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee noted in the Sainik Samachar journal of September 2004: It is estimated that 17 army officers, two junior commissioned officers and 19 other ranks (ORs) are currently in Pakistan jails. [[ http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-1-2005_pg7_28 ]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Xp0z3d ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC).
The article has been claimed by various persons to be Indian biased. I find it to be Bangladesh biased. The article understates the indian military accomplishment in the capture of East Pakistan. The general article reads as if the campaign was fought primarily by Mukti Bahini guerillas. This is incorrect. Liberation of Bangladesh came about due to comprehensive defeat of Pakistani forces in East Pakistan in a Lightning Campaign of 14 days by Indian armed forces which involved multiple thrusts, joint services ops and manouvre. The Indian army was aided in the operations by the Mukti Bahini which did fight well and hard for its country's liberation. No one denies their involvement or contribution. However, Mukti Bahini never reached the size and scale of operations which resulted in successful regular military engagement with Pakistani army. (Compare this with Battle of Dien Bien Phu between the Viet Minh and the French). They may have managed it if the insurgency were for a long period but events moved fast, fortunately for all, and Bangladesh was liberated in Dec 1971 within 6 months of formation of the Mukti Bahini. AshLin 16:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Where have the casualty figures for the Pakistan side come from? The figure of 20,000 in the infobox? If there is no source for this figure, which has been in the infobox for some time, I will remove it per Wikipedia WP:REF guidlines. Anyone can invent a casualty figure without a reliable source. Zaindy87 10:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)/
In my opinion, In this war India was directly involved in the internal affairs of Pakistan.India has made it the Bangladesh Liberation War in terms of relationships with Pakistan.It was a civil war of Pakistan and could be handled quite well instead of separation.And, I thought that, the environment of war was built by India which shows its bitter behave with Pakistan.Further more, It was not a Kashmir War or according to your Wikipedia articles that in Indo-Pakistani Wars their was a Pakistani Operation involved to start.
Can you answer me why India helped East Pakistan to being separated? Have you heard that Muslims killed 1000 Hindus in Pakistani Punjab?
And the answer of these question shows the India attitude to Pakistan.I just want to say that India is 90% guilty in the Indo-Pakistan Wars proceedings.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kashif Arshad Khan ( talk)
The Pakistani school book or Madrasa facts which a fellow Pakistani has provided are not funny but preposterous, a country which has used mujahideen and jihad has a national policy to engage India in wars blames India for initiating the conflicts. Every war started by Pakistan was initiated by hiding behind the fact that mujahideen from Pakistani side have attacked India and pakistani army has nothing to do, even though these mujaheedens where pakistani army themselves?? This is hilarious be it 1947, 1965, 1999; later in each conflict we have seen pakistan's army's involvent. Even in 1971, Direct war was started by preemptive Air-strikes by PAF on Western Sector!The refugee problem, India being under attack from west, and genocide of innocent Bengalis (the reaction of Bengalis in India was sharp)- Had no choice to defend! Tutu1234 ( talk) 03:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
User:Waqas.usman has added a POV tag without giving a rationale. While I understand that he may feel badly about events, if he intends to place a POV tag, he is required to specifically state the points of dispute. As a wikipedian, he is free to add material, if suitably referenced. Just placing a POV tag and no corresponding message on the talk page is incorrect usage of the tag. If he does not give the rationale within 7 days, I propose to remove the tag.
AshLin ( talk) 05:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
"On the brink of defeat around December 14, the Pakistani Army and its local collaborators systematically killed a large number of Bengali doctors, teachers and intellectuals, part of a pogrom against the Hindu minorities who constituted the majority of urban educated intellectuals. Young men, who were seen as possible rebels, were also targeted, especially students."
I could not find any verifiable sources for this claim in the references section of the article, in the absence of which the aforementioned text, and its reference in the "important dates" section is clearly gives a biased PoV against Pakistan
203.128.4.231 ( talk) 13:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
203.128.4.231 ( talk) 09:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Dear Waqas Usman, I am the last person to be blinded by any hatred against any national/racial group, but I do hate denial of documented genocide. You asked for references ... I provided not one but several. If you don't like encyclopedic entries published by the esteemed Asiatic Society, that's not really my problem. For your benefit, I will provide newspaper references from the New York Times (which by the way is not a "blog" or "written by Indian officers", ha ha).
According to General Amir Abdullah Khan Niazi, the Pakistani general who led the Pakistan Army in East Pakistan, a hit list of such intellectuals were prepared by General Rao Farmaan Ali. (ref: Interview of Gen. Niazi, as published in "The Vanquished Generals and the Liberation of Bangladesh", Muntasir Mamun, ISBN 9844582105 , pp 166.). There goes the Pakistani POV :), as told by the top Pakistani General in EP at that time.
Thank you .. -- Ragib ( talk) 18:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)