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I'm not sure if the allies and enemies listing is helpful, given the complex nature of various relationships. Eg this report
[1] which was later denied by Turkey. VR(Please
ping on reply) 18:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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On third paragraph of the introductory section, someone with the extended protector right could add a hyperlink to the word "2017 Hamas Charter" which upon clicking can lead to
/info/en/?search=2017_Hamas_charter page. I'm sure some readers would find it useful. Ty.
Rhythmic Ocean (
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Wikipedia describes occupation as territory actually being placed under the authority of a hostile army. This article states Hamas has been governing since 2007 & that Gaza is Israeli-occupied. Can this sentence be updated to reflect the correct status of which areas Israel currently occupies as of 2007 - such as describing Gaza with an up-to-date word and/or phrase or using a phrase such as "...following occupation by Israel." (A previous edit to the talk page refered to the risk of creating a duplicate link. This is not a suggestion of linking to another article.)
Wikchard (
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The UN and most human rights organizations continue to consider Gaza to be occupied by Israel as Israel, prior to this latest offensive, controlled Gaza's airspace, territorial waters, population registry, and most border crossings. That, in their view, equated to the exercise of "effective military control" over the territory and as such Gaza remained occupied by Israel. That isn't even in question right now anyway, but even before the invasion by Israeli ground forces the majority view was Israel continues to occupy Gaza. See for example
here:
No vague, meaningless (and even deceiving) sentences please, in the lead section (about “foreign relations”…)
The lead contains more vague statements that I wanted to address (and still want to), but recently (12 May, 05:49), one more vague sentence was added: the last sentence in paragraph three, about “foreign…relations…Egypt…(etc.)”. Its first five words seem redundant: aren’t (foreign) “relations with Egypt” etc. logically and always part of “foreign policy”? But the sentence ails also in graver respects.
The sentence tells us about “seeking” (frn) relations but not about finding them. Is seeking more important than finding or having? If yes: why? If no: this leads to the conclusion that they have sought, but couldn’t find. But how then did they ‘seek’, concretely? (And why did they not succeed?) ‘Seeking relations’ is only metaphorical (thus vague) language, since ‘relation’ is an abstraction. If Wikipedia can’t tell what Hamas actually concretely did for ‘seeking relations’, except this vague metaphore, this vagueness tells us nothing, really; and a lead section seems not the place for vague idlenesses.
Our section
Hamas#Foreign relations however tells us, among much more, that a Hamas minister has “visited (…) Syria”, etc. etc., so Hamas' ‘foreign relations’ actually existed and perhaps still exist. In that obvious case, it is misleading to tell the readers in the lead section only about “seeking” frgn relations but concealing that Hamas indeed also has, or had, such relations. A Wikipedia article however shouldn’t be used for such deception of our reading public. So, please, colleague @Vice regent (and others), either replace this vagueness with serious and highly relevant information, worthy for a place in the lead section, or expect at some moment, sooner or later, this sentence to be deleted. --
Corriebertus (
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I'd suggest you be WP:BOLD and rewrite the sentence based on the information in the Foreign Relations section.
Alaexis¿question? 19:54, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Corriebertus:, no one is attempting to "deceive" anyone, please
WP:AGF and refrain from making
WP:Personal attacks. I don't see much of a difference between Hamas has sought and Hamas has maintained foreign relations, but I'm happy to change it to maintained foreign relations.VR(Please
ping on reply) 04:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I find "sought out" to be a better choice because it reflects Hamas's choices and strategic aims. Baconi for example stated (I can't recall the page but I can dig it) that since a long time Hamas has been eager to get Saudi diplomatic and political and support, but the Saudis didn't always reciprocate that interest. Likewise, many sources have said that Hamas, given Gaza's geography, has strongly emphasized good relations with Egypt, although Egyptian interest in relations with Hamas has fluctuated. VR(Please
ping on reply) 04:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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The image of the emblem,
File:Emblem of Hamas Vector Graphic.svg, which is currently in the main infobox should be replaced with the locally uploaded
File:Emblem of Hamas.svg as the former was uploaded to Wikimedia Commons, posing a potential copyright violation as it conveys the same meaning of the emblem.
The new image is a vectorization of the emblem frequently seen in Hamas speeches, which means it is more official:
[2],
[3]
The previous infobox image appears to be more stylistic rather than official.
Corriebertus, with all due respect, I disagree with how you are organizing the article. For example, I disagree with your recent organization of the foreign policy section.
Wikipedia:Summary style calls for each subsection to contain a summary of a sub-topic. So "Foreign relations" should contain a summary of Hamas' foreign relations and full treatment should be given in another article. Prior to your edits, there was indeed a summary, but I agree that it was a terrible summary. In your edit, you removed the summary altogether.
The summary is important not just for organizational reasons but also because certain things are connected to one another. Take a simple example. Previously the section summary said:
After winning the Palestinian elections, Hamas leaders made multi-national diplomatic tours abroad. In April 2006,
Mahmoud al-Zahar (then foreign minister) visited Saudi Arabia, Syria, Kuwait, Bahrein, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Libya, Algeria, Sudan and Egypt.
With your reorganization, we would cover this information like this:
Syria
In 2006,
Mahmoud al-Zahar (then foreign minister) visited Syria.
Qatar
In 2006,
Mahmoud al-Zahar (then foreign minister) visited Qatar.
...and so on. In your organization theme, where everything is broken down by countries, a particular foreign policy theme that spans across countries is lost.
I hope you will engage me in constructive dialogue on how to best organize this article which is already too long.VR(Please
ping on reply) 17:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks @
Vice regent: for discussing this point, here. I (still) consider section ‘Foreign relations’ (very) intransparent, unstructured etc.. But that does not mean, that my attempted ‘improvement’ on 20 May was good enough; in retrospect, it seems to have been perhaps a little overhasty (not necessarily for all the reasons you mentioned here). --
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In the criticism section it says that the European Parliament started the 2023 Israeli-Hamas war. This is untrue.
GingerNinja2711 (
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