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I'd use first names on introduction of an individual
Done (I think) Allemand, Cochrane, Amherst. Anymore?--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The link to
corvette is repeated in the following paragraph
Done removed.--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Watch your commas - I've seen a few that were unnecessary
Okay. I'm a bit old school so tend to insert the optional commas too which in turn sometimes creates a need for semi-colons.--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Oh, I've been there - if you read some of the articles I wrote back in 2008-2009, you'd see copy-editors like Dank beating me over the head until I put the commas away. I still probably overuse semi-colons, but what can I say, I just like them!
Parsecboy (
talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Be careful with semi-colons, some instead should be commas
Done I have followed the example of
Action of 29 November 1811, itself a GA, and given Henderson's name (no article to link to I'm afraid); or if you think it better, I can simply remove the sentence. Although I vaguely remember
William James making the same point, I can't find any reference to it in his six volume tome.--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I think it's fine now that it's attributed. It is an interesting theory (I took a
counterfactual history seminar under
Geoffrey Parker while I was in grad school, and we had to come up with a counterfactual scenario and explore the possible outcomes; this seems like it would have been an excellent one to consider).
Parsecboy (
talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Does the War of 1812 section really need to be split off? From what I understand, the "War of 1812" framing is an Americanism (the British having been at war for quite some time by 1812)
Hmmm. I'm not sure. You are right of course, the War of 1812 was just the North American theatre of a much bigger war and Europeans tend to think of it as a bit of a side-show. However, this encyclopaedia is read by an awful lot of Americans and Canadians for whom this event was important, and it does provide a point of reference for them. Having said all that, if it's a deal breaker, I can add it to the previous section. It is rather short after all.--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:12, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
My thought is, this is an article about a British topic, so it would make the most sense to structure the article from a British perspective. Us Yanks (and Canadians) can figure it out ;)
Parsecboy (
talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Done If you're not offended, then I guess it's okay.--
Ykraps (
talk) 08:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm not particularly thrilled with using Wade-Giles over Pinyin, especially since there's a mix of the two transliterations
I'm not sure I understand you. I believe you are referring to Chinese characters but I can't see where they are in the article. If there are any, they are either historic or have been copied inadvertently. Perhaps you could expand on your point. Thanks--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Having now read the Wikipedia articles, Wade-Giles and Pinyin, I think I understand. You are talking about the difference between Leo Tong and Liaodong. I just copied the example in which ever source I happened to be referring to at the time. I have changed the former for the latter, which I think is Pinyin. Are there any others?--
Ykraps (
talk) 10:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Yeah, that's what I was talking about - I fixed a couple of others and asked for help with Che-a-tow Bay over at
WP:CHINA. Hopefully someone there can lend us a hand.
Parsecboy (
talk) 15:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)reply
There is an online version of the book here [
[1]], page 230, which might give some more clues.--
Ykraps (
talk) 08:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Excellent - I just checked the coordinates in the book and it's right at Jiaozhou Bay, which confirms what Kusma said on the WP:CHINA discussion.
Parsecboy (
talk) 13:21, 12 December 2014 (UTC)reply
The Qing ruler at the time of the mission was the
Jiaqing Emperor - probably worth linking him specifically.
Done Emperor linked to Jiaqing Emperor.--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
File:Sir Murray Maxwell.jpg - needs a US copyright tag. And can we crop the file to just his portrait? The subtitles create quite a bit of white space and don't really add anything.
These things are a bit beyond my capabilities so respectfully request that you allow me a little time to enlist some help. Thanks--
Ykraps (
talk) 23:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I do not think the Alceste was in Pensacola in December 1814, but was moored off Pensacola. There had been a diplomatic incident in Pensacola a month previous. If I recall what I have recently seen, this should be amended, sources permitting.
Keith H99 (
talk) 11:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)reply
I have seen this for a different vessel, but remain convinced that owing to the incident of the prior month, the British were very much persona non grata in Pensacola, and would not have been able to enter the harbour.
Despatch from Cochrane to the Admiralty dated 16 December 1814, whilst aboard the Armide moored off Cat Island
HAVING arrived at the Anchorage off Chande-
leur island on the 8h instant, Captain Gordon,
of the Seahorse (whose ship, with the Armide and
Sophie, I had sent on from off Pensacola to the
anchorage [Ship Island]'
Reproduced in the London Gazette, Publication date:9 March 1815, Issue:16991, Page:446
Keith H99 (
talk) 12:20, 18 December 2021 (UTC)reply