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The addition of the 2001 game is long overdue (I didn't have the stomach to initiate it). I'm thinking that the '95 game should be added and the '98 game should be given its own section, removing the '97 info but mentioning the "no citrus without UT" crack in the intro. That section is already very 90's-heavy, but the era deserves all the coverage, imo.
Thoughts? Zeng8r ( talk) 23:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
If you compare the 2013 game with the other games listed in that section, it's pretty clear that it doesn't deserve its own entry. Heck, I attended that sloppy mess of a football game myself and would certainly not call it "memorable" in any sense of the word.
I'm not sure if the 2012 game really belongs in that section, either, but it's been there for a while so I'll let it be pending further comments. As for yesterday's game, I'm going to go ahead and remove it. Any thoughts, anyone? Zeng8r ( talk) 15:29, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Well, I went ahead and rewrote most of the main article text. There was lots of redundancy and far too much gameday detail in the sections that are supposed to cover an entire decade's worth of games. It's a much tighter article now, imo, hope others think so too. Zeng8r ( talk) 06:06, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
While I'm taking a hard look at this article, I noticed that the 2001 Tennessee vs. Florida football game has in independent article that was created in June. I'll start a discussion on that talk page, but since I'd bet it's not on too many watch lists (it wasn't on mine until 10 minute ago), I'll repeat it here...
Is that game really notable enough for an independent article? While the college football wikiproject notability guide is a little vague on single-game articles, I don't think that it qualifies. The summary in the "memorable games" section of this article on the UF and UT 2001 season articles is plenty of coverage for a regular season game that didn't end of producing a champion of any kind, imo. Accordingly, I'm thinking of putting it up for deletion. What says anybody else? -- Zeng8r ( talk) 23:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
The 2001 game was very memorable. i vividly remember that game UT ruined UF chance at playing for the title that year, the game was moved form its usual week 3 match up to the end of the season. very memorable — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.148.68.165 ( talk) 13:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
If the 2015 game is to be considered notable, should it be called "Wide Right" or "5 for 5 on 4th down?" As for notability, I would wait until later in the season to see how this game impacts the SEC Eastern Division standings. If there is a significant impact, then I would think that it would be notable not only because of McElwain's first signature win and the Gators' comeback, but also because of Tennessee's second fourth quarter meltdown. Thoughts? Ben Yes? 14:31, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
I think the 2015 game is now notable also because it decided the SEC East race, and that hasn't happened in a long time. CollegeRivalry ( talk), 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Gators beat Shuler and the Vols in a shootout by a single touchdown; biggest win of regular season if not the year. Cake ( talk) 00:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
@ Dirtlawyer1: @ CollegeRivalry: Yes, Tennessee is orange and white. However, Florida is orange and blue, and white on blue is used for Florida because of WP:COLOR compliance (orange on blue is not compliant). White on orange is not in compliance with WP:COLOR policy either. Black on orange is, which is why I changed it. Click here to check the contrast. Per WP:COLOR, "ensure the contrast of the text with its background reaches at least WCAG 2.0's AA level." Ben Yes? 02:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
In the "Schedule" section, the following statement is made : "Florida and Tennessee have played on the third Saturday of September almost every year since 1992, giving the rivalry its nickname."
Nowhere in the article is the nickname of the rivalry actually stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.68.1.173 ( talk) 14:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
As I said last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, etc. it's best to wait to add new a game to the "memorable games" section until its long-term significance becomes clear. I've deleted quite a few entries over the years (yes, including Gator wins), often right after the game. (See previous discussions above.) If it turns out that the 2016 game has a major impact on the season, we can put it back later in a neutral, encyclopedic entry. If not, then it will be left off, like most of the games in the series. If you rush to put in a recap for every year's game right after the final whistle, then the truly memorable meetings don't get the attention they deserve. Zeng8r ( talk) 11:53, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for visiting the talk page. I agree, it looks like the 2016 game should be added to the notable games section, eventually. I'm also the editor who added a mention of the game into the main text, and included that factoid about being on CBS. But where / when should games be added to rivalry articles? That's the question.
Should yesterday's UT-UGA game be on Wikipedia this morning? It was an amazing ending, and it was nationally televised, too, right? How about the Clemson - Louisville game last night? ABC telecast + great teams + great comebacks = instant classic? And UNC-FSU - wow, what an ending! And on and on and on... I hope you're getting my point - it's really easy for passionate college football fans to think that the game they just saw was an all-time classic worthy of remembering forever, especially when it involves their favorite team.
But this is Wikipedia, not a nightly sports highlights show or a daily newspaper or a fan site. An article like this is about a 100 year old rivalry, and it must take the long view. That's why, even though I'm a lifelong Gator fan and alum who thought that the 2015 UF-UT was one of the most memorable games ever played on Florida Field, I argued against including it until after the season was complete. Did you see the ten year test essay? Basically, if it's not something that will be still be particularly notable to a wider audience (not just to the fans of the two schools involved) ten years from now, it probably doesn't need a Wiki article, and it also doesn't merit more than a brief mention in the main text of this article. That's how the best articles on sports rivalries have always been run, as it keeps them from becoming a jumbled mess of important info plus little facts and game recaps that some eager fan added off the news feed but that fade in importance as time goes by. Recentism can make an article useless if editors don't actively keep it in check.
So I stand by standard procedure - there's no rush. If it still seems to have long-term importance, the 2016 game can be added at the end of the season. Zeng8r ( talk) 12:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
At this point in the season, we see that this game is now irrelevant in terms of standings to get to Atlanta, since Florida won the division anyway. Last year's exciting game being the difference in Florida or Tennessee getting to Atlanta is the reason it is included here (see above discussion). The 2016 game is only relevant in the sense that Tennessee snapped an 11-game losing streak (IMO due to the fact that Florida played entirely too conservatively and handed them the game), which may or may not continue in years to come. If something were to be notable about that game, it would be the fact that Florida managed to squander a huge lead, which, just as in the 2015 game, is not enough to substantiate a writeup about the game. Tennessee's squandering of a big lead in the 2015 game and the resulting divisional championship that was decided because of that game is the reason 2015 is notable, and less so 2016. Ben hen 1997 21:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Keeping the 2015 game as a memorable game and not allowing the 2016 game to be included seems to me to show pretty clear bias on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.221.96.220 ( talk) 22:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I still disagree that the 2016 should be included in the notable games section, as it did not end up having much affect on either team's season. If it is going to be included, however, it must be written better than it is right now. The current version is full of
personal opinions and
flowery terms that would be much more at home on a fan website than on Wikipedia, or even on any reputable sports page. Also, among all those opinions stated as fact, the only citation in the whole section is for that duck/truck quote. That's weak.
Look at the other game summaries, and you'll see lots of references and a minimum of opinion and original analysis. That's how Wikipedia articles are supposed to be written, even in sports article. I was waiting for somebody else to clean up the mess, but I'm gonna have to do the deed myself if nobody else steps up pretty soon... Zeng8r ( talk)
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As I have for the past five years in a row (!), I'm going to go ahead and delete the latest entry in the notable games section, at least for now. You can read my reasons over and over again in previous discussions further up this talk page, so I'm not going to repeat them all again. Suffice it to say, Wikipedia is not supposed to be a breaking news site but is supposed to take a wide-perspective, long-term view of events. As a life-long Gator, the "Hail Feleipe" instantly jumped into my personal top 10 most enjoyable moments. As long-time Wikipedia editor, however, I know that writing a breathless account of an amazing play minutes after the fact is probably not for the best. It's only September; the full impact of yesterday's game won't be known until December, at least. If we still think it's truly memorable, the section can be re-written and re-added then.
Feel free to argue, of course, but before you do, please review the previous discussions from prior years on this talk page. I'm still cleaning up from Hurricane Irma; don't have time to retype all that stuff right now. -- Zeng8r ( talk) 13:58, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
I'd argue that in December,. even with both teams not bowl eligible, it's still memorable. One of the most memorable in the rivalry---especially considering the last second nature of it. -- Yakkityyack ( talk) 22:42, 7 December 2017 (UTC)Yakkityyyack
It ended on a Hail mary. Why wouldn't this be included? Unless you're a TN fan, which for obvious reasons it wouldn't be. But, Hail Mary games are instantly memorable---as the 2015 game was.
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Looking over this article and its talk page just now gave me an idea. The games from 2014 to 2017 were not very particularly important in the big picture of college football, but they all featured dramatic second half comebacks. So instead of listing them separately with a lot of details for each game, they could be combined into one long-ish entry that focuses on the fourth quarter heroics. I'll do the rewrite over the next couple of days unless anyone has other ideas. Zeng8r ( talk) 14:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Before anybody jumps in, let me say that no, I do not think this year's contest belongs in the memorable games section. Yes, you could argue that there were some unique aspects to it, but you can say that about almost any game in the series. As hashed out repeatedly in prior years, the section should only include games that stand out due to high stakes or remarkable events, or both. Another rule of thumb - if a game gets only a 30 second (or less) recap near the end of the ESPN college football wrap-up show, it probably doesn't belong on the list. We should reevaluate at the end of the season, of course. Zeng8r ( talk) 14:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)