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Did you know... that the first landing during the Dutch invasion of Saint Helena was defeated by English settlers throwing rocks?
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... that the first landing during the Dutch invasion of Saint Helena was defeated by English settlers throwing rocks? "Four ships left the Cape at the end of 1672 under the leadership of Jacob de Gens, who tried to penetrate the island via a steep ravine known as Lemon Valley, but his men were driven back by English planters who bombarded them with rocks from above." from:
"'Invaders' to St Helena come bearing curiosity". Cape Argus. Gale OneFile. 2 November 2017.
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talk). Self-nominated at 10:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC).reply
New article that was moved to mainspace on 29 November 2021 is 5,617 characters and nominated on the same day.
No copyvios detected and duplication detector of online sources
[1][2] reveal no close paraphrasing issues (AGF sources which can't go through Dup detector). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 113 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. Ref 4 (verifying the hook) is a reliable source (AGF as there is no preview available). QPQ done. Looks good to go! —
Bloom6132 (
talk) 11:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)reply
No obvious issues identified but wonder if Anthony Beale worth a redlink
Agreed and linked -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Background
the settlement at Cape Town in Southern Africa.[2][1] : if it's your preference, I note the refs are not in chronological order here. Actually, just noticed, these refs are redundant anyway as they are used again for the following sentence. I would just cite the entire paragraph to [1] and [2] at the end.
I don't usually bother with the order of the refs but am happy to do so for GA level. I don't like whole paragraph citation where individual sentences come from different sources but agree that [1] and [2] should move here -
Dumelow (
talk) 07:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
established a settlement and fort.: perhaps namedrop Jamestown here (I assume that is the settlement referred to).
Agreed, think I must have had it that way as it wasn't Jamestown until after the Restoration. I've referred to it now as "later known as" -
Dumelow (
talk) 07:45, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
which they renamed Good Fortune.: is the original name of the fort known?
It was originally the Castle of St John, then James Fort. I've gone back and added some more detail to the Background section -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
It looks like, apart from the first sentence, the entire paragraph could just be cited at the end with [3] and [4].
Again, I prefer to not merge where individual sentences come from different sources, I did get rid of two [3][4]s in consecutive sentences -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Add 4 May somewhere into the narrative; I assume that was the date the expedition arrived at Fisher's Valley.
Yes, good point! Added -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
The second paragraph could be entirely cited to [3] and [5] at its end.
Again, prefer not to do this as I am only using one of the refs for one sentence -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:09, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Aftermath
and, later in 1673,: is this year correct? If so, suggest rewording to the effect of "later that year" or similar.
Yes, it came through a Royal Charter of the same year. Changed to "later that year" -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:11, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Other stuff
No dupe links
Image tags checked and OK
That's it for me.
Zawed (
talk) 03:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Hi
Zawed, thanks so much for looking at this (and so quickly!). I think I've addressed all your comments above, the only thing I didn't action was the refs, which I prefer to keep separate -
Dumelow (
talk) 08:12, 7 February 2022 (UTC)reply
Looks all fine to me, passing as GA as I believe that this article meets the relevant criteria. Cheers,
Zawed (
talk) 02:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)reply