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Support Google doesn't show a clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 19:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment Not a speedy technical request, as usually is the case for unnecessary "(disambiguation)", since
Dina was recently moved unilaterally to
Dina (given name) by
Abcmaxx. So this RM would have the effect of endorsing that move as well. --
King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This was another case of splitting disambiguation and given name lists per
WP:NAMELIST, it happened on June 9 with a bold move that had no actual explanation
[1]. We need to examine this with a modicum of rigor, per
WP:DPT.
Based on this, it's not clear why we should be adding another click to see the biographies, as most of the time the ratio of the traffic that landed at Dina and the traffic that went for the navigation aid is usually like 10 : 1, though most recently it's been a bit smaller, so maybe there's something to ponder.
Here are the actual clickstreams from Dina from the archive so we get a better view:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 50
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 29
total: 79 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 41
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 16
total: 57 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-07.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 30
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 14
total: 44 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 20
total: 20 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 39
total: 39 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 23
total: 23 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 22
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 12
total: 34 to 2 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 22
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina link 13
Dina_(disambiguation) Dina_(surname) link 10
total: 45 to 3 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 20
total: 20 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 37
total: 37 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 14
total: 14 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional other 21
total: 21 to 1 identified destinations
clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:
Dina_(disambiguation) Dirección_de_Inteligencia_Nacional link 21
Dina_(disambiguation) DINA_S.A. link 10
total: 31 to 2 identified destinations
So, we can see that readers consistently used the hatnote to access the article about the Chilean secret police, which is DINA. However, the volume there just isn't huge compared to other clicks, and indicated merely a need to add the Chilean article into the hatnote.
Thinking a bit about that DINA vs Dina issue, there is usually some overlap in traffic for uppercase/lowercase, but
WP:DABCOMBINE is just a guideline, not a policy that would have to be strictly observed. DINA had previously been merged into Dina with
this 2016 edit. Maybe that should have been reverted and the two lists kept separate.
Let's have a look at overall traffic for all articles named Dina:
At the same time, DINA agency gets ~0.1k views/day, and the bus maker gets ~0.05k views/day.
For comparison,
Dina Pugliese is the article from the list of biographies that has comparable traffic to the Chilean agency, and it's at #14 if I counted right.
[2] I absolutely sympathize with the idea that a topic of clear long-term significance should get preference over topics of lesser significance, but if even a random morning TV personality has comparable usage, and then there's 13 more topics with much much more readership ahead of that, then the reader interest just isn't there, and we shouldn't try to manufacture it. An encyclopedia describes, it does not prescribe.
So, this change was apparently a bad idea, because we're now prioritizing navigation to minor topics where the overall readership of Dina topics is clearly on the side of people named Dina, but we're hiding those behind yet another extra click. For the average English reader, the word "Dina" is most likely a reference to people named that way, not a reference to the DINA acronym, and navigation should be organized with that in mind.
Rather than doing this, we should be thinking how to best organize the list of people named Dina so that we don't bury the lede, so that readers most quickly navigate where the most interest actually lies, which is one of the points of
WP:D. This bold move should have just been reverted. (Oppose) --
Joy (
talk) 08:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)reply