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"Good Offices" is the title of a novel (w/ a WP article) because that is our and most of the world's coventional practice, and some UN body set up to use its good offices to settle disputes has a WP article that probably follows UN conventions for naming most of its kinds of subordinate parts, for mostly the first reason, which are probably close to those of English names for such parts. But when the Sec Gen decides bigger guns are needed, he may choose to notify that body, i 'spose, but he is using his own good offices (inherant de facto influence in the context of his role as SG), to accompllish an end. He knows abt that office, and might have reason to keep them informed, but he can use his own "good offices" bcz of two facts: very few people want to cross him, and when gets in touch with you, just blowing him off is almost never a good plan. We have an article on the novel and on the committee, which are titled to reflect those two proper names, but (when you get a job bcz some with more influence backs you, or) when the SG nudges one or both parties, he's "using his good offices" as a prod, not speaking on behalf of a less influential part of the UN, and paradox tho it is, the lower case kind is far more likely to be effective than the pretentiously upper-case bureaucratic kind.
Now, ya wanna go write a WP article on good offices, well, not a terrible idea as long as someone does the dog work (including mention of that not necessarily trivial UN office), i promise that i or some like me will make you look like a fool if the title's spelling doesn't begin with "Good offices", OK? A wikt entry (we follow lexicographic, rather than encyclopedic practices over there) would be yet another case.
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Because of these edits [1], [2], [3]. , Gr.Britain declared the annexation of Cyprus on 5 November 1914. See:
In 1925, Cyprus became a Crown Colony. Cinadon 36 10:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 ( talk) 17:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
Cyprus dispute → Cyprus conflict – The proposed title is the clear common name and in line with all other frozen conflicts like Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Abkhaz–Georgian conflict, Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Western Sahara conflict, Rohingya conflict, Kashmir conflict, Korean conflict, Arab–Israeli conflict etc. Northumber ( talk) 10:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 23:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Cyprus conflict → Cyprus problem – The above requested move was carried out with very minimal participation so a strong consensus for the actual name is not present. The WP:COMMONNAME for this topic is clearly "Cyprus problem", as evidenced by these results: Google Books - 132,000 for "Cyprus problem" vs 66,300 for "Cyprus conflict" vs 56,300 for "Cyprus issue" vs 16,200 for "Cyprus dispute"; Google Scholar - 8,580 for "Cyprus problem" vs 6,630 for "Cyprus issue" vs 5,260 for "Cyprus conflict" vs 2,130 for "Cyprus dispute". Google Ngram Viewer confirms that "Cyprus problem" is the most popular term, far ahead of "Cyprus conflict", which comes in fourth and places behind even "Cyprus question", nowadays a somewhat antiquated term. The WP:CONSISTENCY argument above doesn't hold water. The examples given are too selective, a number of similar articles use various terminology (see Category:National questions, Falkland Islands sovereignty dispute, amongst others); and it's apples and oranges anyway - the Cyprus problem has seen an incomparably greater use of diplomacy than all of those other conflicts, not least involving referanda and EU accession talks; such that calling the whole thing a "conflict" feels somewhat awkward. GGT ( talk) 02:25, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 15:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
The actual reality on the ground, which is what the intro should be about, has nothing to do with such pettifogging details such as treaties and resolutions which can never be enforced. And, indeed, have not been over 49 years.
"presumably", "pretense" and "Turkish Occupation Zone" are also not neutral. 180.150.38.126 ( talk) 16:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
hi all, this conflict is a major example of a topic I'm currently working on (protracted social conflict), so i added a link to that article in the intro. Grackle.cackle ( talk) 19:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
As for the fact revalation on the ground, Fiona Mullen of Sapienta Economics, a consultancy in Nicosia said "We might have reached a point where it’s no longer possible to put the island back together again". Source: https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/11/18/putting-cyprus-together-may-be-impossible Permanent partition? Putting Cyprus together may be impossible (18 November 2021).