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In the passage below scare quotes around the word 'transfer' followed by the parenthetical comment "a euphemism for ethnic cleansing" is more of a euphemism to launder the idea that the Rabbi is in favor of ethnic cleansing without doing the work to prove as much.
"Rabbi Chaim Simons demonstrated in 1988 that Zionist leaders in Mandatory Palestine viewed "transfer" (a euphemism for ethnic cleansing) of Arabs from the land as being crucial." 2601:1C0:CB03:C720:D0DE:51B6:B2D1:72B5 ( talk) 21:23, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
User:Zero0000 I hold no torch for either Kaufmann or Katz, but are you suggesting that the citation from Muhammad Nimr al-Hawari’s book is propaganda? Mistamystery ( talk) 06:34, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
I'm also removing this:
"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemned to change places with them: they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity." [1] unreliable source? [2]
Firstly, the Ben Gad book is not a history book but just a collection of claims without context. It's way below our reliability requirements. The propagandistic nature is exemplified by the title of this page: "The PLO admits that the Arab armies caused the Palestinian refugee problem". Anyone who knows anything about this issue will be sure that the PLO would never admit such a thing, whether it is true or not. But Ben Gad claims the PLO admitted it in its official journal. Of course the quoted passage actually admits no such thing. What it actually does is blame the Arab armies for failing to protect the Palestinians from the Jewish army, thereby leaving them no choice but to flee. It does nothing to absolve the Jewish army from responsibility. This type of attack on the Arab states for not delivering the protection they promised was common. Zero talk 07:45, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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I found a duplicate argument in a template call for the "location" parameter in this source:
<ref name="KarshEssential>{{Cite book |last=Karsh |first=Efrayim |author-link=Efraim Karsh |title=The Arab-Israeli conflict: the Palestine War 1948 |date=2002 |page = 87—92| publisher=Osprey | location= Oxford| isbn=978-1-84176-372-9 |series=Essential histories |location=Oxford}}</ref>
Could you please replace that with
<ref name="KarshEssential>{{Cite book |last=Karsh |first=Efrayim |author-link=Efraim Karsh |title=The Arab-Israeli conflict: the Palestine War 1948 |date=2002 |page = 87—92| publisher=Osprey | location= Oxford| isbn=978-1-84176-372-9 |series=Essential histories}}</ref>
Thanks! OpalYosutebito ( talk) 16:58, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
If you're going to document the expulsion of the Arabs from Mandatory Palestine, you really should consider including information from the Israeli Intelligence Service: https://www.haaretz.co.il/st/inter/Heng/1948.pdf] https://www.akevot.org.il/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/1948ISReport-Eng.pdf
In reviewing the factors that affected migration, we list the factors that had a definitive effect on population migration. Other factors, localized and smaller scale, are listed in the special reviews of migration movement in each district. The factors, in order of importance, are: 1. Direct Jewish hostile actions against Arab communities. 2. Impact of our hostile actions against communities neighboring where migrants lived (here – particularly – the fall of large neighboring communities). 3. Actions taken by the Dissidents [Irgun, Lehi]. 4. Orders and directives issued by Arab institutions and gangs. 5. Jewish Whispering operations [psychological warfare] intended to drive Arabs to flee. 6. Evacuation ultimatums. 7. Fear of Jewish retaliation upon a major Arab attack on Jews. 8. The appearance of gangs and foreign fighters near the village. 9. Fear of an Arab invasion and its consequences (mostly near the borders). 10. Arab villages isolated within purely Jewish areas. 11. Various local factors and general fear of what was to come. 2600:1700:EB40:4530:F9E1:6072:E3A8:499A ( talk) 04:25, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
Apparently there were plans to use biological/chemical warfare against the native Palestinians, in part to make Palestinian villages unlivable. They, (Haganah I assume) called it operation "Cast thy Bread" apparently. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00263206.2022.2122448 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-10-14/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/documents-confirm-israelis-poisoned-arab-wells-in-1948/00000183-d2b2-d8cc-afc7-fefed64d0000 Fanccr ( talk) 03:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
I started a thread here at 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight regarding the statement that "the causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus are also a subject of fundamental disagreement among historians." This article says in its lead similarly that "The causes for this mass displacement is a matter of great controversy among historians, journalists, and commentators."
To the best of my knowledge there is only debate over the details of these expulsions and flights and not "fundamental disagreement". See for example this article by Ilan Pappé. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 17:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)