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Climate is defined as the average weather over a long period of time. Storms are singular events that all together could be climate, but are not climate alone. I know that the NWS is saying that this was the worst storm in 137 years, but really if we are going to list this storm then we should also list other storms. OK so lets start a list, how about the blizzard of 1980, 1984, the freak storm of November 20, 2000, Christmas 2001. I'm sure that there are more that I'm forgetting, but I think that you can see my point that if we list all of the bad storms that have hit Buffalo just in the last 20 or 30 years, you are going to have a good sized list. Also, how do we decide if a storm is bad enough to be listed here? 1 foot, 2 feet of snow? How strong do the winds have to be? How much damage? Bottom line, is it encyclopedic to list storms in the climate section in an article on Buffalo? If someone really feels passionate about this, perhaps an article about Buffalo's weather is a better place for such information. T.C. 11:49, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I simply don't agree that this is "a natural disaster on a massive scale." Had the same storm hit later with no leaves on the trees, no one would have cared and we would not be having this conversation. I haven't watched the news for the last day or to, but last I knew 11 people died total, a bunch of people didn't have electricity for a few days and we have to pick up a bunch of trees. One day later, I was going out to the bars and clubs downtown and I ate and a nice restaurant on Saturday night. One week later, pretty much everything is back to normal, save a few people without power and some trees to get picked up. The two examples that were given were very different. In New Orleans 1500 people died and 80% of the city was uninhabitable for months. More then a year later, they are still cleaning up. I am not very familiar with the Prague, however, they had to evacuate the whole city. Have we ever evacuated Buffalo?
I'm not sure how you are defining 'snow days', but I usually think of snow days as days kids have off of school. Being that the storm hit 7 days prior to the comments you wrote on 19-OCT-2006 I think that it would be hard to have caused 10 'snow days' at that point. I think that most schools had off the Friday after the storm and then the whole following week - adding to 6 in my count. Also, most of these days off of school can be attributed to people not wanting their kids to walk near downed trees for fear that there might be downed power lines in them. I missed the Friday from work, but I have had work every day since, and I also never missed a day of grad school either.
This conversation has fragmented a bit, please see the October Storm section and the Trees damaged in storm section below for further comments.
I admit the october storm was eventful. I got married in a church with no electricity and lost heat in my home. Those pictures dont really do it justice. It was worse in the city than the pictures make it look. However I do not think it is worth metioning so much with no mention to our other major storms. The Blizzard of 77 was alot worse. Check out the Science Museum, they are celebrating the anniversiry. Also the storms of 98 I belive it was when we set a record for snowfall in 24 hours. Then the storm of Christmas 2001 and Nov of 2000 that left the whole city stranded.Im sure there was alot of significant weather in our 200 year history to cut down on the October storm.
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T.C. 11:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
What's up with the golden horseshoe reference in the opening section? The golden horseshoe Wikipedia entry does not mention Buffalo, even though the metropolitan area it describes does not stop at the border and continues into Buffalo. Is the Golden Horseshoe specifically a Canadian term, or is Buffalo considered part of the region? Is there a good non-wikipedia source that can clarify? -- Danreitz 07:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I live in a suburb of Buffalo and have never heard the term "golden horseshoe"
OK, Buffalo does not belong in the Golden Horseshoe. I live in Hamilton, ON and the GS runs from TO all the way to the Falls, but definatelly not Buffalo. This sentence should be removed a.s.a.p. Even the articcle provided, does not prove Buffalo being part of the GS.
Norum 11:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Did you bother to read the above comment? Why dont you go read the Places to Grow Act (written by your gov't). Patrick Robson, lead planner for Ontario and author of Places to Grow, which is now law, states that the "Greater Golden Horseshoe" extends from the GTA to Buffalo. -- eLeigh33 17:21, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
No matter what the gov say, Buffalo will never be part of the GH.
Norum 03:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
As one from the Buffalo area, I've never considered the City of Buffalo as part of the Golden Horseshoe either. I've thought all along that it referred to the neighboring cities of the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). I don't think many Niagara Falls, ON residents refer to their city as connected to the City of Buffalo as they think it's more connected to the GTA. Hamilton, afaik, is part of the GTA...correct?
I recall reading that the Government of Ontario will be placing more service via GO Transit into the Niagara Falls area, possibly like either Trentway Wagar bus service or Via Rail train service. Seeing the Niagara Frontier Transportation Authority of Buffalo offering new service into the Niagara Peninsula for "commuters"? Highly unlikely, until the border dissolves.
-- Allamericanbear 16:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Guys, I would love to see Buffalo tourism increased, and there would be nothing better than a yummy Buffalo junk food tour, but Wiki isn't really the place to engage in pizza joint link debates. I pulled out the LaNova link, which had replaced the "justpizza.com" link, because it's just an advertisement. If there's a good informational site about WNY pizza, that's what we ought to link to. I'm sure that someone, somewhere has a page. There are tons of little Buffalo-isms that I like and find amusing, but they aren't really Wiki-material, and they aren't NPOV. (Heck, I kind of like my mom's friends description of the place as "a drinking town with a sports problem," but that doesn't fit into the main article, and shouldn't. On the other hand, Buffalo's cultural obsession with sports is relevant information, as it's part of the everyday culture of the city. Wish I'd taken a picture of the church announcement board with Bills prayers that I saw on my last visit!) I think we need to work on the tone of this article, which is really getting to the level of, "No, really, Buffalo's not uncool! We've got lots of cool stuff!" Miss w 02:47, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I wouldn't say the entire article reads like that, but definately much of the Culture section. Everything before it stays in a factual enyclopedic style of writing. -- Cityhall 12:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, agreed. I think it was mostly the culture section I was wincing at when I wrote the comment. Miss w 13:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I tried to add a link to www.buffalorising.com as it's one of the fast growing media sources in WNY, and it's used by a ton of expatriates to keep in touch with Buffalo affairs. Wiki deleted the link arguing that it was spam, but it wasn't. It really is the best Buffalo-focused website - much better and more hyperlocal content than the Buffalo News site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.204.186 ( talk • contribs) 02:54, 4 January 2007 69.162.204.186
Yeah I agree that BuffaloRising is a good website that has some good information about Buffalo. The thing that you do not realize is that they are not doing this for the betterment of Buffalo, but rather they are making a profit. If you go to their webpage there are ads all over it. They also have a free magazine that is filled with ads. They make money by selling web and print ad space. The more visitors or copies distributed, the higher the price that they can change for ads. When they have links from other webpages they get increased traffic. That is good for them, however it is not a community like Wikipedia that should be used to help someone else make money. There are plenty of other sites like this that could be added, like Artvoice or Buffalo News or Buffalo.com or The Beast et al, but they are commercial sites. Look at all of the links here - none of them have ads on them. You could start a separate article on BuffaloRising and link to that, but there should not be a link directly to a commercial site. Remember this is a .com not a .org. T.C. 12:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I can't speak to why the Buffalo Rising crew is producing Buffalo Rising, as I don't know their motives. I suspect you don't either, so indicating that they are doing it only to 'make a profit' is probably a bit unfair. After all, it's a Buffalo-based company. What isn't Buffalo-based and/or Buffalo-owned are all the other media entries listed in the Buffalo article - WGRZ, WIVB, WKBW, etc. All of those media companies have listings and links to their sites. And their sites are REALLY covered in ads (unlike the Buffalo Rising site which has some ads but isn't overdone). As I understand it, the point of Wikipedia entries like this is to provide information to people on the topic at hand. I think links to the Buffalo News, Artvoice and Buffalo Rising would help do that, as it gives people insight into what's happening in and around Buffalo. That these are commercial entities is irrelevant to me. And apparently it's irrelevant to the Wiki police who've left all the other Buffalo media entries up on the site.
Or is it that you can only link to huge national media corporations and not grassroots media companies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.162.204.186 ( talk • contribs) 01:31, 6 January 2007
It's well and good to call attention to the city's role in the Underground Railroad but the UR has nothing to do with the concentration of African-Americans on the East Side. Remember, the point of escaping slavery was to get into Canada, especially after the Fugitive Slave Act was passed. The East Side did not gain large numbers of African Americans until the Great Migration of the early 20th century. I'll rewrite.
Shouldn't the demographics and diversity sections be merged, seeing as "diversity" is a reflection of an area's demographic composition? This might help make the article sound more encyclopedic and less apologetic. Grzond 14:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure. The demo section is dedicated to statistical data that goes beyond numbers based on race. The diversity section talks about ethnicity and benefits from it. I don't think they should be merged but I think the diversity section should be cleaned up or just elimated all together. -- Cityhall 19:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on the articles for the flag and seal and discovered that the seal on the page isn't correct. I'll be changing that shortly. -- Cityhall 19:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
The West side no longer poscesses a strong Italian culture. Many busninesses are owned by Italians in some parts of the West Side, but they have long since moved to North Buffalo or to the suburbs. The Italian names on some of these businesses may have caused the confusion. The strongest cultural influence in the west side is Latino culture. Roc 06:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
The Census Bureau reports the population of the City of Buffalo for the year 2000 to be 292,648: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/3611000.html Not sure where the number 692,648 came from. Pfly 05:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
A couple questions about a couple statements in the article.
"Buffalo's thriving arts, cultural, and nightlife scenes is considered the hub of the greater bi-national region in New York and Ontario."
I'm not sure what the "greater bi-national region in New York and Ontario" means exactly, but I always thought of Toronto as the big city hub of the region. As kids in Buffalo we always listened to Toronto radio stations and watched TV broadcast from there, which was much more interesting than the stuff being broadcast in Buffalo, generally. This sentence sounds odd to me. Toronto is the regional hub!
"The city's importance declined in the later half of the 20th century for several reasons, perhaps the most devastating being the opening of the St. Lawrence Seaway in 1957."
This surprised me. My understanding of the St. Lawrence Seaway is that is has failed to become what it was supposed to be. Just after it opened, large cargo ships switched to even-larger, specialized container shipping, which are too big for the seaway and require specialized ports that don't exist on the Great Lakes. Furthermore, the Erie Canal page says:
"In 1905, construction of the New York State Barge Canal began, which was completed in 1918 at a cost of $101 million; freight traffic reached a total of 5.2 million tons by 1951 before declining in the face of combined rail and truck competition.".
Nothing about the St. Lawrence Seaway being the "most devastating" factor in its, or Buffalo's decline. I'd think the decline of Buffalo as a transportation hub is due most directly to the emergence of container shipping on the oceans and the boom of truck-based shipping, with rail taking over the niches of coal and ore shipping. Pfly 05:49, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to help expand a stub on our October storm, but really til now my major "contributions" to Wikipedia have been, like, correcting typos and adding the occasional interesting tidbit to 'external links.' There seem to be three names the storm is going by so far, either October Storm; Friday the thirteenth storm; or "Columbus Day storm" (which is silly, as it happened days after Colombus Day. I get the feeling this one was used more by national media than anyone here on the ground). I realize there is usually a process which includes discussion and so on regarding creation of yet another new stub; so I don't really feel comfortable creating and properly naming one myself, being such a newbie. But if the Blizzard of 77 deserves its own article, this storm certainly does. And I'm sure no article on it exists yet -- it hadn't even been referenced yet in the main Buffalo article, and I did try searching on relevent key words. Guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jskelly ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
If we're going to get into the subject of the Regents exam and "encouraging" vs. "requiring" (the Regents page suggests that non-Regents diploma is still possible, though I'd heard rumors to the contrary), maybe some comment on the possibility of a non-Regents diploma is in order? Otherwise, it might be better to simply mention that students have a choice between the local diploma and the Regents one. (A breakdown of how NYS education works is probably a topic beyond the scope of the Buffalo article, though it might be worthwhile to mention how Buffalo's local diploma may differ from the Regents. Miss w 14:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I removed the sentence about trees damaged in the recent snow storm because I don't believe it's relevant to a general article about a city. Anyways, it's too soon to say whether or not the damage will have any lasting impact. As far as discussing my removal goes, with a well-established article like this, things should be discussed before they are added, not before they're removed. ~ MDD 46 96 06:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
An anon recently added two very long sections about Buffalo's television and radio history, but cited no sources. I am hesitant to remove them, because they don't appear to be copyvios... but still, we really need references there. ~ MDD 46 96 21:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I added an external link to the lake effect web page at NOAA's Buffalo office. The NOAA climate link in the same group of external links has a broken link to the main page, so one cannot find this information in that way. Yet, someone took it upon themselves to remove this link and call it not relevant. I think it should be left in. BTW, I'm a former resident of Monroe and Wayne counties. MWS 16:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I've created a split off page for the history section as it's obvious that the history is too lengthy to be contained in this article. I suggest we begin the process of trimming down what's on the Buffalo page down to a skeletal outline with a link to the history page.-- Loodog 04:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
I notice that we have just added a list of radio statsion to this quite long article. Since we already have categories [Category:Television_stations_in_Buffalo} and Category:Radio_stations_in_Buffalo%2C_New_York which are referred to on this page, do we really need to duplicate those lists here? -- Alucard (Dr.) 15:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I have proposed that the stub article for McKinley Vocational High School be merged to this main article since it is a school that falls under the jurisdiction of Buffalo, New York. Not that there is any information in the article besides notable alumni. -- Ozgod 00:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey everybody. I'm the student of Moscow State University (Department of foreign countries), Russia, and i'm on my graduation work at present. This sience work is dedicated to american cities revitalization and redevelopment. Also it is tightly connected with Buffalo. The main target is to learn the ways of revitalization in Buffalo, Oakland, Pittsburgh etc.
So, dear Buffalo citizens or someone who interests in it, could you please describe me the way of redevelopment in your city? The main point for me is to know all about measures that were made. When exactly did it begin? What were the steps to revitalize the city? Was the downtown take down and rebuild? Were the citizens settled apart? I'll appreciate very much for any detailed information.
Any kind of information would be very valuable for me! Thank you. Simon Freydlin Freydlins 18:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Feel free to write me on this theme: [email protected] And please forgive me for my poor english.
For some reason, a specific paragraph has been constantly deleted over the last few days by a number of anon users. The repetition of the vandalism, and the specific focus on a single paragraph, suggests that it's one person. Perhaps we could put some kind of protection up to cut down on this?
The users deleting this paragraph are:
-- Oaxaca dan 18:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
And it appears that we're back again, this time as User:Bufjam, doing the exact same thing.... -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 17:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Have you ever considered that maybe you are pissing people off? Obviously it's coming from more than one person, so obviously you are not being neutral. Please stop updating this article, Doctor. 76.180.55.81 ( talk) 03:31, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
pLop Is there existing policy on the phrase "alternative lifestyle" (under nightlife, while talking about the Allentown bars)? I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_lifestyle, stating that it is generally considered pejorative when referring to GLBT people (which, if I'm not mistaken, the bars in question are indeed the gay bars). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.218.4 ( talk • contribs) 09:45, 12 March 2007
Again, I'm assuming the bars in question are the gay and lesbian bars (I think one of them is generally more lesbian than gay male). So..."gay and lesbian bars"? Personally, I wouldn't mind "queer", but use of that word is still debated too. If there's some reason that "gay and lesbian" is inaccurate or insufficient for the places in question, I'd definitely be willing to listen to criticisms. I usually don't jump in on the editing end of wikipedia, but I seriously haven't heard that phrase used since the early 90s, and there's sort of a reason for that.
The following statement is incorrect: "Buffalo is the smallest city in the United States to have a subway system."
That is incorrect. Newark New Jersey is smaller than Buffalo and has a subway system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.162.106.170 ( talk) 23:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC).
Let me ask you wikipedia "administrators" something....why is it that any time a state has a large African American population, you attempt to downplay their heritage. Is this a marketing plow to attract more white people to your cities? If people of color make up the other half of Buffalo's population, why is soul food the LAST on your list of foods available in the city of Buffalo, NY? Too bad the U.S. will never climb out of its social shithole due to this type of editing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.20.26.12 ( talk • contribs) 01:36, 9 July 2007
76.180.78.184 11:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Recently the population estimate was updated from the 2005 estimate to the 2006 estimate. Since this was done by a non-logged in user, I can't ask them for the source, as they didn't list any. I would have reverted this for lack of source info, but the previous 2005 estimate is also unsourced. Anyone know the source of this information?
T.C. 02:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
This article is probably already good enough for GA, but of course, FA is the goal. I have put it in for peer review. It should be no mystery as to what work is needed to get Buffalo to FA, but here are some comparable cities that are already FA:
Here are some other comparable cities that continue to languish, but that might have some good ideas we can use:
Buffalo can be FA if we just do what is expected for this article.-- SallyForth123 15:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Please have a look at Buffalo-Niagara Falls metropolitan area and Buffalo Niagara Region (I also wrote the disambig Buffalo Niagara). I'm quite surprised these weren't started till now. Thanks.-- Pharos 19:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
"Buffalo is the dominant city of Western New York which is part of the broader Buffalo-Niagara Region" is a little inaccurate. The Buffalo-Niagara Region is basically an 8 county region and an area in Southern Ontario. The Buffalo-Niagara region usually does not include Rochester. Western New York does not include Canada and according to most, includes Rochester. I suggest "Buffalo is the dominant city of both the Buffalo-Niagara region and the Western New York region." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.3.8.253 ( talk) 17:41, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 18:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Whom ever pput that doesn't know what the Great Lakes are. Correct me if I'm wrong isn't Cleveland, and not sure if Detroit is considered a Great Lakes city, have a greater population than Buffalo? I dont Remember my user name sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedarpointohio2 ( talk)
I reworded the sentence to reflect that the statement "second largest great lakes city" was referring to the development phase of Buffalo in the 1800's. Also, I removed the statement about Cleveland's current standing as second largest. That statment seems to better belong on Cleveland's page. Shinerunner ( talk) 12:17, 27 February 2008