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Brunch stops at when lunch begins. If brunch happens to run into the afternoon that's one thing, but if you START eating brunch after 12:00pm, you're eating lunch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.142.5.2 ( talk) 17:20, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
I'm not a brunch expert, but I think "brunch" entails more than just what time of day you eat. I think it also entails the fact that people wake up relatively late on a Saturday or Sunday, they don't eat breakfast, and they eat many traditional breakfast items (pancakes, waffles, etc) during the late morning or very early afternoon. That's what I always though brunch was. Can someone clarify? Skyduster ( talk) 16:41, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
The explanation word-for-word this means "big little lunch." for, le grand petit déjeuner, is lame. Petit déjeuner is the term in French for breakfast. A little lunch is peu de déjeuner. A word-for-word translation adds nothing. I'll wait a little while and then remove it. 216.94.11.2 ( talk) 15:26, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
I really don't understand why this entry even mentions the Académie Française. As the entry itself states, the brunch tradition is an American/Canadian tradition, not a French tradition. It does make sense to discuss the word for brunch in Quebec French, but France is completely irrelevant to this article, and so are the German-speaking countries for that matter. If no one has any response within a few months, I'm changing the French language entry to discuss only Canadian French. Skyduster ( talk) 16:36, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
AIUI brunch and elevenses are two incomparable concepts, the only thing in common being the kind of time of day. Brunch is a full-blown meal, effectively combining breakfast and lunch (as an alternative to having two separate meals). OTOH, elevenses is a snack filling in a bit of the space between breakfast and lunch. So does it really make sense to call either version of the other? -- Smjg 17:42, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Brunch is any sit down meal that occurs between the times of 9:30am - 11:45 am. The food served at Brunch is typically dominated by breakfast foods, but this has nothing to do with the definition of the word. The word comes from BReakfast and lUNCH and by definition only entails a time of day as opposed to type of food.
BRUNCH IS IF YOU COMBINE A BIG BREAKFAST WITH A LUNCH! —Preceding
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The "Brunch Culture and Marketing" section feels kinda POV, and is difficult to understand for anyone not familiar with American pancake culture. Still interesting though, so don't take it out! -- Apoc2400 11:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I have to agree here. Pancakes are a sweet (desert) in most English speaking cultures, with the notable exception of north America. I've lived in both the UK and Australia, and the only cafes or restaurants where I've seen pancakes served with breakfast / brunch / lunch / etc are those which have an American theme (the type which serve fast food snacks like burgers and "hot dogs"), or pancake outlets like Australia's Pancake Parlour (which also maintains an Americanesque theme). I realise Wikipedia is based in the USA, but I think this article is overly American in its perspective. I suggest the article either explicit clarifies that it is written from an American perspective, or else be re-written. Mark Micallef 05:46, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, it was me. I was new here (didn't even have an account yet) and in a hurry when I authored this. The POV criticism of this is a good one. I am working on collecting the citations to fix this. It is also USA centric, which I can also fix. It was inspired by POV, but the facts evidencing the statements are freely available in form of restaurant reviews, menus, discussion board statements, blogs, and cultural commentary... the usual crazy variety of things that comprise Internet sources. Of course by linking to some raw factual information, e.g. a series of menus, this might blur the line on "original research" versus "outside sources." Thoughts on that? -- Em dee aitch 09:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Where did brunch come from? Some Catholic co-workers claim its because they cannot eat before church, so they started having an early lunch immediately after services. -- 24.249.108.133 17:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I am a little bit confused about why there is such emphisis put on the fact that in New York brunch is often greased filled etc because they go out and drink a lot. This is making a massive stereo type that any other city like London, Berlin, Prague, Chicago, Sydney people don't stay out late and get trashed. Maybe I am knit-picking but I really find it hard to find why it is put under its own section. I am sure every student knows that brekki of a fry up comes at about 11am trying to wake up a bit for the next nights binge, it has nothing to do with New York per-say. You can equally make this argument about any city! Kicken18 16:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I totally agree. Every single statement in this section equally applies to Chicago as well as New York and probably many other cities worldwide. I got rid of all the New York-centric language. 24.136.29.87 ( talk) 05:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
How can you have such a page on BRUNCH, and the word MIMOSA does not even appear once? (But those might be mimosas, in the photo.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.125.210.153 ( talk) 03:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I think we need even more Simpsons trivia regarding brunch. Say, ten or twelve more examples. 72.78.154.193 ( talk) 00:09, 26 February 2008 (UTC). i agree.
First of all - what the heck is Greenfield? A town? A school? A retirement community? A TV reality show? No link in the section offers any explanation, and no sources are referenced. Second, whatever it is, this sections seems very specifically localized, and doesn't seem to warrant inclusion in the article. If we were to list every local institution's brunch traditions, the page would go on forever. Unless someone can offer a valid reason why this section should be there, I'd recommend removing it. Just seems too specific to be noted in a general article like this. Lurlock ( talk) 14:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
This article says that "brunch is normally taken before 2 pm" but I wish to go further than that. Surely a meal taken between twelve noon and two p.m. would normally be counted as lunch, not brunch; would not brunch be nearer the normal time of elevenses? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 15:29, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
We really need a section on this. Sunday brunch has been around for a long time, eg this New York Times article from Feb 12, 1939. It's international - Sunday brunch is served at upscale restaurants in Mumbai, Rome, London etc. This book [1] accurately says that lines go out onto the streets at the good restaurants. This [2] discusses it about it costs to read it. Dougweller ( talk) 14:43, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
The statement "The popularity may be linked to the Asian traditions brought back to England by colonials..." may be correct, but a reliable source is required. Quoting a passage from a short story by Maugham doesn't mean it's true. Speculating it might be true is original research. -- Larry ( talk) 14:23, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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I've removed any reference to time; here's why. This phrase has been subject to all sorts of changes. The large majority of changes lacked references, and were reverted. The change I reverted includes no reference in the article, but references one in the comment. However, the change still contradicts the current reference. I think it's safe to say that there are different references with different definitions. I guess we could start listing multiple definitions, with references for each, but short of strong evidence that one definition is primary, we would mostly be doing analysis/research -- a Wikipedia no-no. Any suggestions? -- Larry/Traveling_Man ( talk) 22:00, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Traveling Man: the time is back and being edit-warred. Website Thekitchn.com says weekends 11-4. [3] The London Evening Standard has an article discussing some restaurants and shows their brunch times range between 10 and 4 (although one has an all day brunch). [4] This history of brunch says brunch times varies between cultures on page 54. [5] Doug Weller talk 10:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
I came here to give a source: https://repositories.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/handle/2152/65244/ehmlingmorgan_Thesis_2018.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y is a thesis including on Sunday brunch becoming a thing, evolving from New Orleans to New York, in 1920s-1930s. SUNNY SIDE UP: THE STORIED PAST OF AMERICA’S MOST IMPORTANT MEAL OF THE DAY by Morgan Leigh Ehmling. Including agreement with what is currently in article. A quote: "the earliest written appearance of the word brunch can be found in an 1895 publication of Britain’s Hunter’s Weekly entitled “Brunch: 51 A Plea.”"
But going on with history in New Orleans and coming to New York, much more. Another quote: "Though the first written instance of “brunch” was in 1895 England, New Orleans’ own Tujague’s (pronounced Two Jacks) argues that upon its founding in 1856, they were the first restaurant in the United States to serve what we know today as brunch....." As a student's thesis at University of Texas at Austin, it is legitimately reviewed and meticulously referenced i think. Way better than this Wikipedia article is, currently, IMHO.
By the way I agree with a commenter above, many years ago, that Sunday Brunch is a thing, is the thing really IMHO, needs explicit treatment. --Doncram ( talk, contribs) 03:54, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
I've just come across the slow-motion edit war occurring over the specific times stated in the lead paragraph at which brunch is supposedly served. I'd like to get this settled, and so I've replaced the sentence for now with While there is no universally accepted exact time at which the meal is served, it is generally understood to be somewhere within the late morning and early afternoon.
- as far as I can see from the very limited discussion on this page right now, this covers everyone's perspectives at least fairly well, acknowledging the lack of a well-defined agreement between reliable sources. If this is not an acceptable solution, please feel free to propose an alternative (backed up by reliable sources).
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What is lort? Why does this article say it’s a meal? Is it brunch? 2A00:23C8:A941:3B01:B959:8556:EDDE:53E8 ( talk) 12:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Maybe the uninformed mishmash of information about the origin of the word "brunch" should be replaced by someone looking up the facts in the Oxford English Dictionary.