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This was removed by 67.65.5.63:
If this is true, I think it should stay . Can anyone verify it? Seabhcán 00:13, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
From the bottom of the third paragraph of the article:
" The battle was ended in 40 minutes. And took all 18,000 soldiers to Fort William in Kolkata. He killed all soldiers with the help of Mir Jafar. Later They also killed Siraj-ud-daulah in Murshidabad which was the capital of Bengal."
Someone has reinserted the above, initially removed point, about the murder of the conspirators' troops by the British. It is in poorly written English, seems to be agenda-based, contains no reference or citation, and thus should be removed. The assertion made by Seabhcán is correct and this detail should be included if it meets the Wikipedia quality standards but, as such, it does not. Mountsorrel wiki ( talk) 11:04, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
I propose to move this article to "Battle of Palashee". The name Plassey is wrong, my guess is that the original authors of this article took information from 1913 Encyclopedia Britannica, which used the mis-spelt name Plassey. Note that many modern references and books refer to the battle correctly as "Battle of Palashi" or Palashee. See this book's chapter name and Banglapedia. So, the name should be corrected, with a redirect in "Battle of Plassey" pointing to the article. -- Ragib 21:51, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
This vote is now closed
the name was something misspelled by the British colonial rulers. Erm no, they wrote down what they heard it being spoken-as and spelled it as best as they could. There were no books on converting Bengali names into English then, so they could only write down what the names sounded like. The 'correct' spelling you now refer to is a revision in the same manner as the Bombay/Mumbai and Peking/Bejing controversy.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. violet/riga (t) 17:12, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
LordGulliverofGalben: I agree with Ragib that the name should be changed to Palashee/ Palashi as that is the name used by the West Bengal government and not Plassey. Plassey, like Calcutta, Bombay, Madras was a name given by the British to suit their colonial interests and not that of the people who lived locally. With the onset of the post colonial recovery most of the names have been changed (like Kolkata, Mumbai, Chennai) . There could be a disambiguation page for the aftermath in India and in Ireland.
Anyway I am not sure if voting is a correct procedure for determining the views of the people residing there as most (if not none) of the residents of Palashi do not use computers anyway. (It is an agricultural township with no trace of battlefields. It has some factories making electrical and agricultural equipment) This voting merely reflects the views of some people who have 24*7 access to the internet.
Lastly the maxim : "If you could betray your Lord and Master, you will betray us tomorrow" , though not verified by European historical discourse is very much a part of the local written and oral folklore, discourse and tradition --- in the local Muslim population. Even today local Muslims stone the grave of Mir Jafar as he is still considered a "Namak Haram" or "Traitor", who is regarded as all the woes of Muslims living in India ever since. That name is not the name in vogue to baptise a newborn Muslim male child. LordGulliverofGalben
Moving the article to Battle of Palashi was a daft idea. This is a historical event which has always been known by this name, and still is throughout the English-speaking world. And what on earth is meant by this: "Plassey, like Calcutta, Bombay, Madras was a name given by the British to suit their colonial interests" ? So, an anachronistic (but phonetic) mis-spelling is evidence of some profound colonial conspiracy is it? And how exactly are slightly corrupted forms of "Kalikata" (Bengali) "Bom Bahia" (Portuguese) and "Madraspatnam" (Portuguese/Tamil) serving British colonial interests? The truth is that these names are politically neutral products of gradual historical evolution, unlike some of their highly politicised replacements, in particular the Shiv Sena's renaming of Bombay to the spurious "Mumbai" as part of their Bhumiputra policy. If you want sinister political motives behind a name, look no further. In general this oft-suggested idea that English Wikipedia should use the forms of place-names in use in the country where they are located is arrant nonsense. If that were true then Germany would be found at "Deutschland", Venice at "Venezia", Moscow at "Moskva".....need I go on? I'm very glad indeed that this vote failed. Sikandarji 07:22, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Its also worth pointing out that whatever the place may be called now, what is important is what it was called then: Stalingrad is now Volgograd, but the battle there in 1942-43 is still called the Battle of Stalingrad even though the name has since changed.-- Jackyd101 11:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the references throughout from "English" to "British".
Great film - but what on earth has it got to do with Plassey? It worst movie events in Lucknow a hundred years later. Sikandarji 07:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
Replaced the current one with Infobox Military Conflict. Added Clive and Mir Jafar's picture. Does anyone have any other picture of the actual combat? -- Victor 20:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
This page seems to attract a lot of nonsense-posters. Perhaps it should be locked? Bastie 09:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The article has seen repeated changes (several times daily) in the figues of numbers engaged and casualties of the battle. This does not bode well for the article's accuracy. Can anybody provide a Sourced definitive answer to these totals?-- Jackyd101 19:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I have removed both quotes made by the First Indian Prime Minister. Not only are they obviously biased (him being leader of an indian nation recently gaining independence from britian) but they are completely out of context (being made almost 200 years after the battle - whereas the other quotes were made by politicians and individuals at the time)
The figures for the battle are wrong. In Robert Clive of India by Nirad C Chaudhuri (page 246) we read "a general estimate that the force had between 15,000 and 20,000 cavalry, 35,000 to 40,000 infantry and nearly 50 guns, mostly twenty-four and thirty-two-pounders. Against this army, Clive had less than 1,000 European soldiers, about 2,000 sepoys, 8 field guns (six pounders) and 1 howitzer." I have read in other books that there were 950 Europeans - this is the first time I have ever seen that there were around 2,000. So this must be wrong. Other points, are that the British guns were not superior in range to that of their enemy - they were much smaller, aside from the single howitzer. ALSO it seems on reading the article (at first) that Mir Jafa's forces actually turned on Siraj's men - which never happened. Quote: "Siraj-ud-Daulah's army commander defected to the British". He didn't openly declare any alliance with the British during the battle.
The article seems to give many excuses for the defeat, in truth 30,000 could have rushed and totally overwhelmed an enemy numbering 3,000 - of which over 2000 were mercinary auxileries. It's almost funny how the defeat is explained away. I think the words "cowardly", "disorganized" and "unprofessional" would far better explain the defeat of Siraj's forces.
TB
Changed 'sikh' to 'marwari' in description of Jagat Sheth near the end of the article. All sources - books as well as websites - quote Amichand and Jagat Sheth to be marwari businessmen. Additonally, though I have not changed this, Jagat Sheth is often understood to represent many such businessmen and might not be the name of only one person, in this context. For the benefit of those not knowing Bangla, 'sheth' is a surname but also a term used to describe a properous trader. wildT 14:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I quote: "Mir Jafar Ali Khan - commanding 16,000 cavalry" - so these were the Indian forces held back under his command. I have never read that 90% of the Bengali army never engaged the enemy, and I have serious doubts about the source. A compendium about 100 famous battles printed in the USA in 1999 seems a VERY poor source for such an important issue, especially as it contradicts many quite famous historians. Also, further down the page it (again) states that there were 1000's of Europeans battling Siraj, as opposed to the real 950. So, it now reads that there were only 5,000 Indians battling a combined East India Company (not "East Indian Company" by the way) force of 5,000. Ohh, how very convenient for Indian national pride - to hell with authentic source material.
So this article has....
A. contradicted every scholarly historical account of the battle B. contradicted itself C. couldn't even wtite EAST INDIA COMPANY properly
Congratulations on another brilliant British India articles in Wikipedia !
I would correct the entire thing and quote REAL 18th century sources, but all my work would get erased anyway, so what's the point? Wikipedia's British India articles are very much tainted with Indian nationalistic revisionism, whereby trendy and obscure authors are cited, and cotemporary sources and famous historians, who lived during (or not long after) the times they wrote of, are ignored. The result is not only biased, but really mess, as they can't even keep their "story" together.
TB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.81.169 ( talk) 01:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:27, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
"Out of the initial 35,000 infantry and 15,000 cavalry, 45,000 of them were withheld by Mir Jafar, leaving 5,000 men to participate in the battle.[1]" - this is rubbish, Mir Jafar only controlled about a third of the army, and 100 history books tell us this. As for the crass description of only 5,000 engaging the British, in Nirad C. Chaudhuri's book ROBERT CLIVE OF INDIA, on page 248, we read quite a detailed account of how the bulk of the Indian forces were simply too scared to press home a charge, but did exchange shots with the fortified British. Therefore, they did engage.
To quote Nirad C. Chaudhuri (page 249) "Much has been made of the inactivity of Mir Jafar and his collaborators, but even without them Siraj had, according to contemporary estimates, 15,000 good troops - in fact his best engaged in battle, and an overwhelming superiority in artillery."
It is absolutely true that the bulk of the force made little effort to engage, but where did the "5000" figure come from? - but in the article this has been blamed on Mir Jaffa (the boxed section) - when in fact no serious historian, nor any contemporary records, confirm this. The Bengali army was fearful and badly led - but of course, as this article has been written by Indian nationalists, they would prefer to LIE and just blame Mir Jaffa. Also, the main reason why Siraj attacked the British, - his stated cause - was because the British had started to fortify Calcutta. They did this, because the 7 Year War had broken out with France, and they knew that the French were about to attack. Siraj had proved himself unable to keep the peace within Bengal, and the British saw themselves with no other option than to dig a ditch around Calcutta - which is all it really amounted to. But of course, this really important information has been edited out by the nationalist writers of this article in order not to include anything that may explain British actions. If this was a brief article, I would forgive this - but, it's not so brief and some rather odd information has found its way into it - like a very obscure letter from Orme, penned in 1752.-- Blenheim Shots ( talk) 23:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
In the Infobox the footnote states "Out of the initial 35,000 infantry and 15,000 cavalry, 45,000 of them were withheld by Mir Jafar, leaving 5,000 men to participate in the battle". This disagrees with the much more convincing sounding main text which states that Mir Jafar only commanded 16,000 cavalry. Rwestera ( talk) 20:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Who is this person named just once, in the Court intrigue section? Does he have any significance? Clarityfiend ( talk) 05:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought the Indian causalities were 1500. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Espatad ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC) ( Espatad ( talk) 03:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC))
Omichund is referred to as such except for the last instance when it is Omichand where it states he went insane. This reference uses the name Omichand and expands on the situation: http://www.cyclopediabritannica.net/index.php/Omichand PB Sheeran ( talk) 11:03, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
There are several pages cited in this entry that do not have a corresponding text. Particularly 'Mahon' and 'Bengal v.1' What are these texts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.63.141 ( talk) 07:20, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
Why the date is given as 23rd June? The following is a passage from William Dalrymple's Anarchy
"On 13 June 1757, a year to the day since Siraj had begun his attack on Calcutta, Clive sent an ultimatum to Siraj ud-Daula accusing him of breaking the terms of the Treaty of Alinagar. That same day, with a small army of 800 Europeans, 2,200 south Indian sepoys and only eight cannon, he began the historic march towards Plassey."
I think if Clive began his march on 13th, then the date should be 13th. Knight Hall ( talk) 14:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Explain 2409:40F3:1001:DF68:8000:0:0:0 ( talk) 05:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)