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The following is a closed discussion of a
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Support per my request at
WP:RM/TR, common name used by all three sources while the "autogynephilic" label is only used by one of them, and refers to a controversial typology.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 10:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support This is a rare case where the common name is actually less offensive than the impressive-sounding academic name, not to mention being infinitely more likely to be searched for in the first place.
Vizjim (
talk) 14:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment – While I'm not sufficiently familiar with the term to take a strong position, should we not consider the title
Sissy hypnosis? Looking at the abstract for
Mackay & Mackay (2021), they consistently use the term hypnosis outside of scare quotes. This would be in line with the article
Erotic hypnosis.
Graham (
talk) 06:05, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I would probably gravitate towards sissy hypnosis myself. (Don't take that out of context.) LilianaUwU(
talk /
contributions) 11:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Disagree, mildly. Looking at the full article by Mackay & Mackay, they distinguish between hypnosis more generally, and "sissy hypno" as a specific phenomenon. I think "sissy hypno" distinguishes this specific art form from actual hypnosis.
Vizjim (
talk) 08:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Vizjim: I don't believe I have access to that article. Would you be able to email me a copy, or provide a link at which the full text is accessible? (If not, I can post at
WP:RX.)
Graham (
talk) 01:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Having taken a cursory look at Mackay and Mackay, I have a better idea as to where
Vizjim is coming from. What do you make of it,
LilianaUwU? (The article is available through the Wikipedia Library
here.)
Graham (
talk) 03:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It does seem to be using the term "hypno", not "hypnosis", to refer to the phenomenon, yes. LilianaUwU(
talk /
contributions) 04:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
LilianaUwU: That being the case, I'm tempted to go with "hypno" after all. Do you have any thoughts?
Graham (
talk) 04:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Barring any significant objections, I'll go ahead and support moving to
Sissy hypnosis.
Graham (
talk) 19:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support moving to
Sissy hypno per above discussion.
Lightoil, it looks like we've all come to a consensus if you would like to close the discussion now. (Per
WP:RMRELIST, a relist needn't prevent a closure when a consensus has been reached.)
Graham (
talk) 04:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Note to the closer – Given that the discussion has moved towards considering two titles (
Sissy hypno and
Sissy hypnosis), I might suggest that a relisting is in order as we work towards a consensus.
Graham (
talk) 01:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I am personally okay with both proposed titles, I believe replacing the current title is more important than the specifics of the wording.
Chaotıċ Enby (
talk ·
contribs) 15:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisting comment: Relisting as suggested to generate clearer consensus.
Lightoil (
talk) 16:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment prefer "hypno" over "hypnosis", per others. Skyshiftertalk 04:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Controversy section
Vizjim, I've removed your addition because I felt it gave
undue weight to the viewpoint that gravitates towards "being trans is a fetish". It could belong in the article, but I'm not sure if giving it half of the article is appropriate. LilianaUwU(
talk /
contributions) 11:22, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I think the exact opposite - the point of the section is that transphobes are weaponising their poor understanding of the phenomenon. The use of sissy hypno in "gender critical" activist circles is one of the reasons it's an important phenomenon.
Vizjim (
talk) 08:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Feedback from New Page Review process
I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank you creating this article on a form of pornography that has seen an increase in academic focus in the gender studies field in recent years. It's concise, appropriately referenced and expandable (reasonably tagged as a stub by another editor). A solid base from which to build.